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doomfodder · Jan 08, 2009, 11:04 PM // 23:04

It seems almost as absurd as picking the mesmer...

one would think that the sin was intended to be a class to "get in - kill - & get out". Of course with the emergence of perma, this role isn't even possible in PvE. some ones mindset at ANET changed when ppl started to delete thier sins a year ago...

I can't help but wonder why a different melee class like the war or derv weren't chosen to B the best tank...

[DE] · Jan 08, 2009, 11:10 PM // 23:10

The real question is: Why do tanks still exist in Guild Wars?

MStarfire · Jan 08, 2009, 11:21 PM // 23:21

My Ritualist makes a better tank than most assassins.

Nessar · Jan 08, 2009, 11:24 PM // 23:24

Gooooo minions! But yea, my monk is a pro tank. :3

Anyway to the OP its the meta till sf gets nerfed to the ground

The Red Messenger · Jan 08, 2009, 11:26 PM // 23:26

they didnt pick it to be the best tank. the players choose skill combinations and pugs pick the most realized builds to be accepted. it wasnt intended for shadowform to be a permanent invincibility...it just happened with EOTN and im pretty sure they didn't see it coming. they just waited to long to fix it, and the damage was done. after a few months went by, they tried fixing it but just realized a large chunk of their players enjoy the simplicity of shadowform. the more they mess with it, the more players just get sick of the drastic changes and move on to a different game.

one example was the whole ursan thing...when it was realized to be overpowered, they delayed nerfing it for an unknown reason. lots of people quit when it became the staple for parties in like 75% of areas. then, when it was nerfed, even more people quit out of frustration (players who used it religiously).

i think they didnt want to re-nerf shadowform because it would just cause more players to leave because one of their favorite things to do was killed. hopefully this shows they are learning from their mistakes and will at least attempt to preserve class balance in GW2 if possible. even though it ruins the "balance" of pve, it was already mostly ruined in GW1 by that time anyway

Simath · Jan 08, 2009, 11:28 PM // 23:28

I wouldn't say that Anet "chose" Assassins to be the best tank. It was the players who created the perma sin and began using it. I truly doubt that it was Anet's intention.

kostolomac · Jan 08, 2009, 11:32 PM // 23:32

This game has a lot of things different than other online RPG's , before them monks and eles were the best tanks for pugs.

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one would think that the sin was intended to be a class to "get in - kill - & get out".

The golden rule of pve is "kill shit as fast as possible and move on".

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I can't help but wonder why a different melee class like the war or derv weren't chosen to B the best tank...

People chose that.I think ANET chose that melee classes actually do the main portion of damage in GW and not tank since tanking slows down the pace of the game. Have you ever played games with tanks? They are quite boring.
EDIT: by tanks I mean MMO meat shield tanks.

MMSDome · Jan 08, 2009, 11:39 PM // 23:39

Why are you using a tank?

Yawgmoth · Jan 08, 2009, 11:42 PM // 23:42

Reason: Very poor design of just 1 skill.
It just should never be infinite perma god mode. It should work the old way - invulnerability for a short period of time, enough to kill a target or several ones, then quick retreat. It was an excellent skill without perma, with numerous uses, but for some strange unkown reason they wanted it to be imba. Absurd imho.

Nightow · Jan 09, 2009, 12:11 AM // 00:11

Too bad other online games don't let you get away with not having a tank. QQ Anet spoiled me and now i can't enjoy typical MMO's.

Anywho, I don't think it was intended but when they started to fiddle with skills that lower recharge times (GoS), that's when the sh*t hit the fan.

byteme! · Jan 09, 2009, 12:15 AM // 00:15

why do U suppose that anet PICKED assassin class to be the BEST TANK in PvE?

What the title should have said is...

why do U suppose that gamers PICKED melee classes to be TANKS in PVE?

my answer = they suck

Robbert Monga · Jan 09, 2009, 12:16 AM // 00:16

More conspiracy theories.... Aint you people tired yet?
No, they did not pick anything, to be best tank. It just happens so that they don't give rat tails about PvE balance, and so skills like SF suddenly appear.
Please stop giving bad game support a higher meanings.

The forth fly · Jan 09, 2009, 12:38 AM // 00:38

to sell more copy's of factions

Eddie Frenzy Spam · Jan 09, 2009, 01:08 AM // 01:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by byteme!

why do U suppose that anet PICKED assassin class to be the BEST TANK in PvE?

What the title should have said is...

why do U supposed that gamers PICKED melee classes to be TANKS in PVE?

my answer = they suck

What you should have said the title should have said is...

Why do YOU suppose that gamers PICK TANKS in PVE?

My answer = They suck.

dusty4444 · Jan 09, 2009, 01:22 AM // 01:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by The forth fly

to sell more copy's of factions

Bingo! We have a winner...

Arkantos · Jan 09, 2009, 01:31 AM // 01:31

1) I highly doubt when ANet buffed shadow form, they were thinking about assassin tanks (actually I highly doubt they were thinking at all).
2) Assassins are good in PvE, most people are just too stupid to realize.
3) Tanks are bad

Simath · Jan 09, 2009, 01:46 AM // 01:46

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Originally Posted by [DE]

The real question is: Why do tanks still exist in Guild Wars?

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Originally Posted by MMSDome

Why are you using a tank?

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

3) Tanks are bad

You three make me oh so proud. <3

Skyy High · Jan 09, 2009, 01:57 AM // 01:57

I still don't think they intended for SF to be maintained indefinitely, and certainly not as easily as it is, or was. They've pretty much all-out said that the only reason they aren't killing it entirely is because people have fun with it and would cry if it were killed.

cellardweller · Jan 09, 2009, 01:58 AM // 01:58

Warriors are still the best tanks in the game - thanks to their 96/116 armour they are able they have enough defense to bodyblock without needing waste a single skill on self healing or protection which leaves the you 8 skills for killing.

Lycan Nibbler · Jan 09, 2009, 03:12 AM // 03:12

To sell copies of factions - /end thread