Curse

Arkantos · Jan 15, 2009, 02:02 AM // 02:02

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Originally Posted by AKB48

But remember: spamming spells(well in this case a off-hand skill but w/e) on an assassin = suicide, you will run out of gas long before you can kill your target.

Critical strikes says hi. A palm strike assassin can easily keep using palm strike and his attack skills without running out of energy.

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[recovery] up if you can't kite PS sins, then get cripple rune and cripple shield. Then just stand there unless your opponent is smart enough to kill the spirit first.

1) Not everyone can go rt/x or x/rt.
2) Killing a spirit isn't hard.

It's a quite ineffective way to counter a palm strike assassin.

0 mesmerised 0 · Jan 15, 2009, 02:22 AM // 02:22

the damage isnt the problem its the recharge time

AKB48 · Jan 15, 2009, 03:56 AM // 03:56

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Critical strikes says hi. A palm strike assassin can easily keep using palm strike and his attack skills without running out of energy. [recovery] up if you can't kite PS sins, then get cripple rune and cripple shield. Then just stand there unless your opponent is smart enough to kill the spirit first.

1) Not everyone can go rt/x or x/rt.
2) Killing a spirit isn't hard.

But not everyone is gonna bring a spirit for you to kill. (and you = easy target if you just kill spirits whenever you are low on energy cause the spirits are laid within the Rit's team's "sphere of influence"[can't think of another word]) And when I was talking about spamming palm strike, I meant if the monk put up a block so you can't KD him, since palm strike bypasses the block, you CAN use it to damage the monk, but the fast recharge makes spam hard to resist and BOOM, you energy goes off in an exponential decrease.

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

mi hed jus asplodud

Sorry, I don't speak Martian.

Arkantos · Jan 15, 2009, 04:04 AM // 04:04

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But not everyone is gonna bring a spirit for you to kill. (and you = easy target if you just kill spirits whenever you are low on energy cause the spirits are laid within the Rit's team's "sphere of influence"[can't think of another word]) And when I was talking about spamming palm strike, I meant if the monk put up a block so you can't KD him, since palm strike bypasses the block, you CAN use it to damage the monk, but the fast recharge makes spam hard to resist and BOOM, you energy goes off in an exponential decrease.

Yes, I'm very well aware of that. However, if you bothered to read the post I quoted, you'd see I was pointing out how bringing a spirit to counter a palm strike sin is quite ineffective.

Even with a block skill, some attacks are going to get through. But yes, if you keep spamming palm strike while getting most of your attacks blocked, you're going to start running out of energy. Of course that's considering you're bad and you don't switch targets.

It also seems that my last post was messed up, better fix it >.>

petrorabbit · Jan 15, 2009, 05:12 AM // 05:12

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Originally Posted by AKB48

Because this isn't a compromise, it is a nerf, period. (Don't get me wrong, idk about the change, palm sins really isn't THAT powerful)

Hmm, you should have said so instead of bring this up.

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Originally Posted by AKB48

But remember: spamming spells(well in this case a off-hand skill but w/e) on an assassin = suicide, you will run out of gas long before you can kill your target.

Don't know how you're commenting on compromise here.

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Originally Posted by AKB48

And when I was talking about spamming palm strike, I meant if the monk put up a block so you can't KD him, since palm strike bypasses the block, you CAN use it to damage the monk, but the fast recharge makes spam hard to resist and BOOM, you energy goes off in an exponential decrease.

Thus

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Even with a block skill, some attacks are going to get through. But yes, if you keep spamming palm strike while getting most of your attacks blocked, you're going to start running out of energy. Of course that's considering you're bad and you don't switch targets.

Bold for emphasis.

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

mi hed jus asplodud

Indeed. Asplodudworthy

AKB48 · Jan 15, 2009, 06:24 AM // 06:24

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Yes, I'm very well aware of that. However, if you bothered to read the post I quoted, you'd see I was pointing out how bringing a spirit to counter a palm strike sin is quite ineffective.

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Critical strikes says hi. A palm strike assassin can easily keep using palm strike and his attack skills without running out of energy. [Recovery]

Sorry, my bad, the [Recovery] kinda messed me up, =p

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Originally Posted by petrorabbit

Don't know how you're commenting on compromise here.

Ok, now you do, 现在滚蛋

petrorabbit · Jan 15, 2009, 06:41 AM // 06:41

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Originally Posted by AKB48

Ok, now you do, 现在滚蛋

Me getting out does not make up for your lack of coherency.

AKB48 · Jan 15, 2009, 06:42 AM // 06:42

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Originally Posted by petrorabbit

Me getting out does not make up for lack of coherency.

My lack of coherency? Dude......whatever I am not even gonna bother arguing with you anymore. peace out.

(btw, i told you to gtfo....not just get out, that's 10 more years of Chinese lessons for ya

)

petrorabbit · Jan 15, 2009, 06:43 AM // 06:43

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Originally Posted by AKB48

My lack of coherency? Dude......whatever I am not even gonna bother arguing with you anymore. peace out.

Peace!

10 years of chinese? That's nice. Next time, don't assume you can hide behind non-english comments.

Bobby2 · Jan 15, 2009, 11:05 AM // 11:05

Speaking Martian rawks, btw.

bungusmaximus · Jan 15, 2009, 11:44 AM // 11:44

Ontopic: and yes, palm strike sins are still obnoxious, thank goodness they're mostly ran by scrubs else things would suck really baedly.

I'm thinking more and more that it needs recharge up so sins don't have the insane bar-compression they have now.

Super Igor · Jan 15, 2009, 01:08 PM // 13:08

Well alot of scrubs run it cuz they cant play anything else and its easy to run lets put it this way but a skilled player on a Palm sin is pretty deadly.

Also, STOP CALLING IT A NURF FFS it just got one less counter to it now lmao tis not a nurf tis liek a buff or sumptin.

bungusmaximus · Jan 15, 2009, 01:46 PM // 13:46

Lol @ piepel desekrating ze English language liek zat

. It doesn't matter what we call it as long as it's dealt with accordingly. PS can become a viable option for assassins that isn't completely lame. They're already on the right way with the last nurf/buff/whatever.

Dmitri3 · Jan 15, 2009, 02:00 PM // 14:00

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

Well alot of scrubs run it cuz they cant play anything else and its easy to run lets put it this way but a skilled player on a Palm sin is pretty deadly.

Also, STOP CALLING IT A NURF FFS it just got one less counter to it now lmao tis not a nurf tis liek a buff or sumptin.

Same as any other melee if he isn't shutdown. Also, one universal counter you forget: kiting.

Sigh. Fine, nerf PS, I don't care cause I hate running it, not that I do it very often anyway. Just don't write another QQ thread about how sins aren't viable in PvP afterwards. Pfft, like it's not gonna happen.

Proud Elitist · Jan 15, 2009, 05:16 PM // 17:16

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

Who in this game runs 10 or 14 Critical Strikes on a dagger sin dude what are you talking about?! oO

The point is that, with 10 Crit, you can run nine in a sub class, or 10 in prime class, like deadly arts or shadow. Think Ranger. The reason for 14 crit for 7 sec duration (something that MIGHT be considered overpowered) would be because you would have to sac damage from Dagger Mastery in order to get it.

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Counters is what the game is about.

Direct counters only work in open-ended games where you can scout the enemy, you prepare for the attack. You can't do this in Guild Wars, so it would be stupid to build the game around rock-paper-scissors gameplay.

So instead you need to balance it around what can universally be done in a match by individuals on a team. No "I" in team...

Tyla · Jan 15, 2009, 06:16 PM // 18:16

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Originally Posted by AKB48

Ok, now you do, 现在滚蛋

I think you're the one who needs to get out here, 但如果你沒有自己的協議，但。 (seem similar?)

X Cytherea X · Jan 15, 2009, 08:51 PM // 20:51

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Also, STOP CALLING IT A NURF FFS it just got one less counter to it now lmao tis not a nurf tis liek a buff or sumptin.

it does less damage than its previous version, every time, except against ONE skill. it's a nerf.

Tyla · Jan 15, 2009, 11:21 PM // 23:21

It's a nerf or a buff depending on the given circumstances. It passes through Spirit Bond, cuts down time with Plague Touch and such... but its utility and damage has been lowered which isn't beneficial outside of that. However, you still land your Trampling Ox and that's all that matters.

AKB48 · Jan 16, 2009, 12:02 AM // 00:02

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Originally Posted by petrorabbit

Peace!

10 years of chinese? That's nice. Next time, don't assume you can hide behind non-english comments.

I wasn't hiding behind non-English comments, the Chinese was merely a counterpart to the apsoloude w/e it is.(Asians = BIG gamers, think I don't know that?)

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Originally Posted by Tyla

I think you're the one who needs to get out here, 但如果你沒有自己的協議，但。 (seem similar?)

Oh, I staying lol.

Also....I can't read traditional Chinese, type it in simplified, and alas I can't understand the last 2 words of your "但如果你沒有自己的協議，但". And, it didn't make too much sense to me either.

Tyla · Jan 16, 2009, 12:29 AM // 00:29

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Originally Posted by AKB48

Also....I can't read traditional Chinese, type it in simplified, and alas I can't understand the last 2 words of your "但如果你沒有自己的協議，但". And, it didn't make too much sense to me either.

I don't either: Just used Google Translater 'cause I felt like it.