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roboscar · May 18, 2009, 07:58 PM // 19:58

hey ive got a new assassin (level 13 at the moment) and im trying to get a build together.

now i know im not level 20 yet so dont worry to much but im rushing through the campaign so i want to get a build ready for when i fit level 20.

ive played on my friends assassin he uses ms/db spam and before i can get on a nice roll everythings dead so i dont like that build.

im not sure how to make assassin builds but ive looked at a few elite skills, way of the empty palm, locust's fury and palm strike.

are any of these good?

what sort of things can i do with an assassin?

aditional information: im upto dragons throat(though i can get skills through tomes), i am an a/r.

thankyou in advance for any and all help

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Tharg · May 18, 2009, 08:17 PM // 20:17

isn't the fun in Guild Wars to just play, pick up skills as you go along and figure out what works for you? There are coockie cutter builds on PVX Wiki so you can read up on them there as well.

Orange Milk · May 18, 2009, 08:26 PM // 20:26

If you are A/R use [Apply Poison] or maybe look up the Crit BArrage build.

Maybe [Lightning Relexes] for a quick burst of attack speed.

Antidote sig could be handy.

Other than that I don't play Sin so I dunno.

roboscar · May 18, 2009, 08:36 PM // 20:36

ok crit barrage isnt good at the moment the areas im in dont have enemys in big enough clumps to bve effective.

and on pvxwiki its crit scythe and mobius so :P

any other ideas?

Songbringer · May 18, 2009, 09:37 PM // 21:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by roboscar

ive played on my friends assassin he uses ms/db spam and before i can get on a nice roll everythings dead so i dont like that build.

So basically you want a build that kills slow?...

Uhh crit agility/res sig/crit d/shadow refuge/heart of shadow/viper's defense

/dash/critical eye

and auto attack. That should kill slow enough for you to get on this "roll"

Johny bravo · May 18, 2009, 09:46 PM // 21:46

I hate to say this but play the game a bit. Try out new skills see what you like. Decent builds are posted all over the place on the web but you really need to figure out your play style and work around that.

That being said cookie cutter builds are on PVX wiki

Obrien Xp · May 18, 2009, 10:50 PM // 22:50

This game has gone so far away from the build experimentation, everything is cut from pvxwiki. Look there and open pandora's box.

On a better note: best thing to do is take what you have, look at the highest skill trainer you have access to and see what skills you like, then form a build.

RadaArashi · May 18, 2009, 11:45 PM // 23:45

I think he meant that, at the point he is MS/DB isn't that good because things are actually dying pretty quick.

If you're Lv13 I imagine you're still at Shing Jea, approaching Zen Daijun.

If you have access to skill books, I'd recommend Golden Fang Strike and Assassin's remedy then run:
Jagged Strike, Golden Fang Strike, Death Blossom, Critical Strike Critical Eye, Way of Perfection, Assassin's Remedy, Optional (Rez or whatever you like).

Moebius spam actually isn't good in NM, you do from one to maybe sometimes two death blossoms.

As for elites, once you get to mainland Cantha, I'd first worry about running to Elona, get Critical Agility and then cap Palm Strike and Flashing Blades.

Edit: just paid more attention to the OP and read the last line. Uh, you might wanna get a few levels first, you should be lv20 by now, Factions' quests give a gazillion EXP so its not really hard. My skill suggestions still stand though.

Jaigoda · May 19, 2009, 02:17 AM // 02:17

If things are dying too soon for MS>DB to be effective, that just means it doesn't matter what you do and your team will still roll everything. Just wait till late NM and all of HM and you'll be able to get to speed quite quickly. And if you really have to, Critscythe doesn't rely on any chains, so should be able to switch targets quickly enough. If you really want to go on a wierd spree, you can go Assassin's Promise and run a pseudo-spike.

And creativity <<<<< gud. There's a reason people run cookie-cutters: They're the most powerful and optimized builds possible for a certain profession. Most anything else is going to gimp yourself.

roboscar · May 19, 2009, 07:42 AM // 07:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Songbringer

So basically you want a build that kills slow?...

no what i mean is i dont want to use 2 skills and everythings dead and this is on my friends assassin that i have played ms/db spam.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Obrien Xp

This game has gone so far away from the build experimentation, everything is cut from pvxwiki. Look there and open pandora's box.

thats why im here because i want to make my own build but i need some guidance.

also those elites from what ive read palm strike looks like its best.

isit?

Coolpb · May 19, 2009, 02:00 PM // 14:00

Palm Strike can be considered one of the "Tops" but not necessarily the best.

Its advantage lies in the fact that it is a touch skill, so even if you're blinded you'll still hit with it.

Also It's an offhand attack that doesn't have a prerequisite move before it.

If you plan on going with PS a good follow up is Trampling Ox, KD is always an advantage.

_Nihilist_ · May 20, 2009, 03:54 AM // 03:54

You might want to try out Locust's Fury if you don't want to spam 2 attack skills. You'll be auto-attacking (because lead and offhand attacks can't double strike, and dual attacks always double strike, but why bother? LF works best on auto-attacks) a whole helluva lot, but the damage you can pump out if you're being buffed up by your party is pretty nuts.

roboscar · May 20, 2009, 12:24 PM // 12:24

well i dont basicly c-space evry time my targets dead but i dont want to use ms/db spam because itslike one i get upto the spam aprt me enemys dead so i have to try and start on another enemy.

i might try ps and trampling ox combo, maybe i could add critical eye,falling spider,signet of toxic shock,heart of shadow,critical agility, dash

what do you guys think?

RadaArashi · May 20, 2009, 06:40 PM // 18:40

Signet of Toxic Shock is bad in PvE because of its long recharge unless you find means to use it often, like Assassin's Promise or Deadly Paradox.

I dont understand what you're saying though, you say you don't like Moebius Blossom cause you have to start over from zero after you DB->MS->DB? I don't see how thats different from the chain you want to use, you'd PS->Trampling->Falling->SoTS and start over on the next enemy, except you'll have to wait for Trampling to go up, use it then wait for it again.

roboscar · May 20, 2009, 07:42 PM // 19:42

well with ms/db i will go 5-6-7-8 target enemy 1-2-3 switch to new enemy and wait for 1 and 2 to charge.

where as i want to activly be using skills other wise it gets a bit boring.

what about way of the empty palm? anything i can do with that?

RadaArashi · May 20, 2009, 08:52 PM // 20:52

ahh you mean you find it tedious to just spam Death Blossom?

Way of the Empty Palm is very much useless. You can spam Duals and Off-hands of 5e with relative easy because of Critical Strikes and Zealous daggers so you could say it is only useful when used with 10e dagger skills.

The most useful ones that require that much energy are Golden Skull Strike, Temple Strike and Shattering Strike, but these happen to be elite skills so you can't run them on the same bar so that leaves us with Twisting Fangs and Black Spider Strike but these have a long recharge, you're better off with Way of the Lotus or Attacker's Insight.

You'll find that the assassin's attack system's quite sequential. Just like how it is with Death Blossom/Moebius Strike its with any other chain. You smack your keys in a order, 1 2 3 4 repeat. If you want to switch targets you have to start over.

roboscar · May 21, 2009, 08:09 AM // 08:09

ok let me clarify a bit more, there are 2 reasons i dont want to use ms/db spam, the first is i find it really boring compared to other builds such as assassin promise spike(again i have played these builds on my friends assassin) and second is i am way off of getting ms.

ok what about i could have a quick recharge condition spam. i would like to fir daze in there so maybe golden skull strike, temple strike or beguiling haze, and could use fox fangs?

roboscar · May 21, 2009, 03:31 PM // 15:31

a guildie pinged me this build what do you guys think?

A/W

Attributes:
Critical Strikes:11+1
Dagger Mastery: 12+1+2
Deadly Arts: 6+1

Skills:
Golden Fox Strike
Mantis Touch
Trampling Ox
Falling spider
Horns of the Ox
Falling Lotus Strike
Blades Of Steel
Flourish

he said just use in order.

darkpaladin752 · May 21, 2009, 08:22 PM // 20:22

wayy too pvp based, and horns will not trigger half the time in pve. honestly, I would rather replace the first 2 skills with palm strike, and replace horns of ox and falling lotus completely with just blades of steel.

_Nihilist_ · May 21, 2009, 09:27 PM // 21:27

You'd have to drop Flourish for PS, so you would be running:

Palm Strike
Trampling Ox
Falling Spider
Blades of Steel

If you really want to run in with half a skillbar, be my guest...