Curse

jigenbakuda · Aug 31, 2009, 11:24 AM // 11:24

I'm a new player to the game... started about 4 months ago. Anyways I have always read alot about the game and alot about the assassin, because it was my first class. A while ago, there used to be a thread here about god awful elites, and I love finding ways to use stuff normal people find useless. 2 skills I read about then were beguiling haze and seeping wound, with both having a "why the f*ck would I waste my elite slot on that!?" attitude for them. Well of course if you are looking for OP/ most efficient, then these builds still will not work for you, but at the same time, while they are not the MOST efficient, they still are efficient, efficient enough for me to vanquish while eating a sandwich.

Places I have vanquished with a combo of these two builds (I'm a faction's RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO)

Factions
All of shing jea
80% of the city
All of the forest

Nightfall
50% of istan
mirror of lyss

So my builds stand up in some of the toughest places in factions, even if factions is considered the easiest game. Still viable builds. On to the builds.

Well I am addicted to spears, so I use spears in both of these builds.

shadow refuge
beguiling haze (7 secs)
crit agility
optional pve skill usually light of delidemore
spear of lightning
blazing spear
holy spear
finish him

As far as stats go I generally have like14 or 15 in critical strikes, around 10 in spear mastery, and enough in shadow arts to get beguiling up to 7 secs. I'm quite poor (spending all my money on picks), so I have a live off the land mindset, I have crappy runes, except for the minor vigor, so runes don't matter. But my spear is special, I have a silencing suntouched spear of enchanting with a 5e inherent mod. I use fener's bastion as a shield (no investment in whatever att it is).

General usage for this build mantain crit agility (will stay the whole battle on 1 cast) for your ias and armor boost, you have your self heal, spear attacks for pressure, not really able to destroy much yourself, but you can annoy them. Holy spear is for the mass amounts of spirits in factions, aoe burning is fun

no need to explain finish him, Beguiling is for monks, although there are rarely 2 monks in 1 place, like in prophs, so you can shut down groups pretty easily, if you call the target, the monk will fall quite fast, almost always before the daze condition is over, remember when health gets to 50% finish him finishes them, lol. Beguiling has a fast recharge for a shadow step, but still pick your target well, you have 20sec cooldown, where you can't daze stuff, unless you have some fevered dreams actions, never tried it, just commenting.

Second build

shadow refuge
crit agility
viper's defense
ebon sniper
spear of lightning
barbed spear
blazing spear
seeping wound

General usage is the same as above for most, stats are the same. But seeping wound needs to be explained. Seeping wound's only purpose is to exceed the -10 degen damage marker. I see it as an extension of bleeding or poison, making your poison stronger, making your bleeding stronger. Its the same concept as illusion of pain, exceeding -10 degen with tacked on damage. In some respects illusion of pain is better, in others its not. The 10 damage on illusion of pain is armor ignoring, seeping wounds damage is not armor ignoring, I can do 15 damage with seeping wound, which usually is around 9 or 10 actual points with most melee enemies, it can be higher on casters, haven't studied it, just stating my general observations. now with that said bleeding is -3 degen poison is -4 degen both applied its -7 degen any other source of degen gets it to -10 degen and seeping wound is doing its job of exceeding the -10 degen damage cap. But its troublesome to put both bleeding and poison without daggers, so I generally apply just bleeding and have lots of fire degen available even with bleeding thats -10 degen, making seeping wound do its job. Fire usually comes from paragons in my builds my morhgan sets stuff on fire with blazing finale (which I love to use on my para character), so reaching -10 degen is not a problem. Well back to the build, always start off with crit agility, then the sniper, then seeping wound. Lets the battle go from there, switching targets every time seeping wound recharges. I some times run up and do viper's defense if there is a big group of people trying to kill my tank.

When I vanquish I use H/H most of the times, sometimes I vanquish with my guild leader, we run two unyielding aura monks (both protting), two MMs, and he runs a smiting monk, I bring morhgan a lot of the times, or livia when I want spoil victor. My MM is Xandra with flesh golem and 15 in spawning power, she has wep spells or spirits also, depending on my mood.

Well like I said not OP, but interesting ways to use underpowered elites. Try it out, its quite fun and a nice break from DB/MS or whatever is the meta in pve sin play. Please do not comment like "I read 15 crit strikes and stopped reading", try it out for god sakes. Don't mind negative feedback, but at least try it first, and I can vanquish with it, its not that bad, imo. If you want more info on how I set my heros up, or how I pick my henchmen, feel free to ask.

remicks · Aug 31, 2009, 02:16 PM // 14:16

Nice to see someone thinking outside the box

snaek · Aug 31, 2009, 04:11 PM // 16:11

whats up with the spear usage?

there are bettery ways to inflict daze, i.e. technobabble. beguilizing haze is used partially for the shadowstep, but your using spears so positioning is not important. your contradicting yourself. lod is random filler and makes absolutely no sense.

shadow refuge is a waste of a spot on any bar. self-heal isn't really need, but if you really want one, a low-spec'd shadow of distress is the way to go.

seeping wound is a bad skill, but not as bad as beguiling haze. but why no vicious attack? deep wound is ftw. ebon sniper seems like a random filler. if your going spears, why not use ebsoh? by urals hammer? asuran scan? i am the strongest?

i can understand trying out bad skills for the sake of trying out new things. but this is a random mess with very little synergy.

IronSheik · Aug 31, 2009, 04:33 PM // 16:33

I understand using a fun build and it still being viable.

I like that you think these two skills are fun

But my idea of fun vanquishing on a sin is Aura of Displacement/Shadowmeld while running around trying to tank with feigned :P

Horace Slughorn · Aug 31, 2009, 06:29 PM // 18:29

No offence but you're probably finding this build "effective" because your heroes are doing most of the vanquishing for you..

Painbringer · Aug 31, 2009, 06:43 PM // 18:43

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Originally Posted by Horace Slughorn

No offence but you're probably finding this build "effective" because your heroes are doing most of the vanquishing for you..

Mix Beguiling Haze a good dagger chain and a Hero prot/smite you with Strength of Honor and you seriously can do some damage. It even leaves space on the heros bar for ROJ. The elite is not a wasted spot since you can keep a boss from casting anything before he dies. Although mixing with mainly Paragon skills for damage seems less effective then that of a sin

jigenbakuda · Aug 31, 2009, 06:46 PM // 18:46

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Originally Posted by snaek

whats up with the spear usage?

there are bettery ways to inflict daze, i.e. technobabble. beguilizing haze is used partially for the shadowstep, but your using spears so positioning is not important. your contradicting yourself. lod is random filler and makes absolutely no sense.

shadow refuge is a waste of a spot on any bar. self-heal isn't really need, but if you really want one, a low-spec'd shadow of distress is the way to go.

seeping wound is a bad skill, but not as bad as beguiling haze. but why no vicious attack? deep wound is ftw. ebon sniper seems like a random filler. if your going spears, why not use ebsoh? by urals hammer? asuran scan? i am the strongest?

i can understand trying out bad skills for the sake of trying out new things. but this is a random mess with very little synergy.

I understand what you are saying, reasonable comments as well. As I mentioned in the beginning, I've only been playing 4 months, I actually have no asuran pve skills. I do not have all skills, I use what I have.

I like spears, they let me be away from the "heat of battle while still doing more damage than a wand, plus I get a shield for 7 or 8 extra armor, not that it matters. The minions can be melee range while I hit from afar, not that I'm restricted to the midline tho.... Plus they look cool, suntouched spear dyed silver is pretty cool.

I ran shroud of distress right after it got buffed, I personally didn't like how it took a couple seconds for the effect to kick in, although it was wonderful for my golden lotus strike. I simply prefer having a self heal, and I prefer shadow refuge.

LoD was used for aoe damage, it was the only move I had that was aoe, it was holy damage, so I like it on my bar, right after a beguiling haze, I do LoD.

I only used beguiling haze for the daze, if someone ask me to daze them, I do so... which is why I have a silencing mod on my spear, and not ghostly haste to poof every where really fast like the annoying vermin <sigh>. You would also be correct in stating that there are better ways to inflict the daze condition. Technobabble does have 2 disadvantages compared to beguilding haze, 1 it doesn't work on bosses, who are the most important people to daze, and 2 the condition is 5 secs at max rank, my beguiling haze is 7, allowing me more time to kill a single oppenent. Please do not take that comment as a OMFG BH is better than TB, just stating observations. And once again this build is not about maximum synergy, and how to use the best whatever, this was about how I used two underpowered elites to vanquish. Trying to show that you do not need maximum synergy, you do not need the best of the best to be effective in the game. Also by that logic, viper's defense is worthless on the seeping wound bar, because I use a spear, it has its uses, no matter how situational, and its pretty hard to inflict poison with the A/P skills, plus its aoe poison. I still would not leave without it.

I did not run vicious attack on my beguiling haze bar because the deep wound from that made finish him useless. If I want deep wound that bad, I figure I can get morhgan to put it on me.Although, now that you mention it, I might find a place for it on my seeping wound bar....

ebon sniper inflicts bleeding, regardless of its chance to spike, so it fulfills my requirement for seeping wound to start. Which, if I'm not cold, is followed by a blazing spear.

I was in unwaking waters on HM today, it seems that the shiroken warriors only took like 6 or 7 damage from seeping wound.

And my builds are a random mess, ouch... that one hurts my pride... but still they work for me, I appreciate your critique instead of just "your build is fail".

jigenbakuda · Aug 31, 2009, 06:55 PM // 18:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Horace Slughorn

No offence but you're probably finding this build "effective" because your heroes are doing most of the vanquishing for you..

I agree with you, I often think my heros are too good (and I never ran sab discord or any other way), but I did like 40% of my vanquishes with 4 henchies. Plus, I really think the same could be said about any build I run, from highly effective to pisspoor, its not about me, its about the 8 man team I construct... A MM makes everything easy, and unyielding aura (which I don't run when I H/H as I bring hench healers) is 190% broken. I'm dedicated with beating factions on my para with only henchies (like I did with my sin).

morgan · Aug 31, 2009, 11:03 PM // 23:03

Wow, a grown up disscussion on builds on guru, that's a first.

I'm not much if a sin user but I've been pondering rolling a new one. I'll definately give these a try

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