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Barrage · Aug 02, 2009, 05:00 AM // 05:00

Well I've been doing a lot of HM stuff with my friends and I was doing a mission with a fellow assassin and we decided to run a twin discord team. We were both running the same AP caller (the standard) and i saw the overlapping this created. So I was fiddling with some PvE skills and came up with a AP team supporter.

Assassin / Warrior
12 Deadly Arts 12 Tactics
Assassin's Promise
"You Move Like a Drawf!"
"You Are All Weaklings!"
Ebon Standard of Wisdom OR Courage
Shields Up!
Protector's Defense
OPTIONAL SLOT ( I honestly don't have a skill to put here, Shield Stance is an option if you have an spear/shield set you can switch to)
Resurrection Signet

Ok as for usage, this is of course used with a full party of discord using Necromancers. Since there are two AP Callers in your party(if you use it in the context i listed, I haven't attempted it without this second AP caller). I noticed that my necromancers did not stand up well to HM melee hits all that well. So I packed the Shields up and Protector's defense skills. Then the You are all weaklings skill to even further hamper their attacks. The wards are there for basic reasons, I personally use Wisdom to help with casting. Now Protector's defense Requires you to stand still, so cast up the ward of your choice and then use it when your necromancers are bunched up. So, when i used it, it worked fairly well. Was wondering what you all thought about ir.

Fate Crusher · Aug 02, 2009, 08:12 AM // 08:12

6 Discord heroes should be able to handle everything tht is thrown at them. maybe a little tweeking with your discord builds to suit the area can fix any problems.

whenever an friend and i do this sort of stuff, the "supporter" usually goes with party-wide skills for extra damage or healing. usually it would be /paragon for the heals and the bonus damage or condition spreading. that and /rit (so a human can organise the weapons skills, rather than the stupid AI).
but they can go /monk even and bring party wide healz if you think the area is too hard for the heroes.

Killamus · Aug 02, 2009, 08:25 AM // 08:25

I usually go 15 deadly, 12 motivation, with Leader's zeal, ballad of restoration, aria of zeal, and "We Shall Return!", along with AP and your choice of PvE skills. Ballad of restoration heals quite a bit, especially when you're using it every 5-8 seconds.

MercenaryKnight · Aug 02, 2009, 08:28 AM // 08:28

I don't know your hero builds but you should have most likely 2 copies of aegis and 2 protective spirits for hardmode. I like to bring a curser hero with enfeebling blood just cause it helps a lot.

Also one of your assassins (if you want to have an easier time no matter the hard mode area) could run a moebius/ db sin with save yourselves instead. The ap sin shouldn't really bother with the support skills since discord heroes only need 1 skill... discord.

Pack all the utilities on the heroes and bring pain inverter and another pve skill finish him.

I like to do ap, ymlad then cast pain inverter on a different target that does high damage (eles usually) and wait for the primed target to be spiked and repeat. Generally I can kill 2 enemies at once (or close to it) just by using pain inverter on a fresh target.

Ginger Hunter · Aug 02, 2009, 09:51 AM // 09:51

It looks ok and you should use whatever you think works. I like to to use the following on my sin when i run a discord caller:

AP
Necrosis
Finish Him
Ebon Vanguard Assasin
Enfeebling blood
Suffering
Rip enchantment
(optional)

12 deadly arts, 12 curses

I find it helps the heroes alot, because you are supplying the conditions and 1 more aoe hex. Rip enchant is pretty useful for removing any pesky enchants and supplies one more condition. Personally i dont like Ymlad, so i replaced it with necrosis for more spammability at a lower energy cost. I also replace pain inverter with ebon assasin, simply because i usually run discord with my friend and he carries pain inverter :P

Carnivorous Cupcake · Aug 02, 2009, 10:08 AM // 10:08

Weaker than the conventional one. Weakness can be brought by Necros and +24 armor/40% chance to halve recharge time isnt really that important to lose knock lock and deepwound for.

Evasion Twenty · Aug 02, 2009, 04:20 PM // 16:20

I use spear and extra conditions to help.

aga · Aug 04, 2009, 07:57 PM // 19:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killamus

I usually go 15 deadly, 12 motivation, with Leader's zeal, ballad of restoration, aria of zeal, and "We Shall Return!", along with AP and your choice of PvE skills. Ballad of restoration heals quite a bit, especially when you're using it every 5-8 seconds.

I use similar build. Imo it's best, sometimes also spec some attributes in command, for "fall back"

Killamus · Aug 04, 2009, 08:51 PM // 20:51

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Originally Posted by aga

I use similar build. Imo it's best, sometimes also spec some attributes in command, for "fall back"

I do that often as well, then I go 15/9/9 and take out aria, and throw in fall back. I don't have a command shield though, and my mot shield is Q11, so I lose 9 armor and get targeted a lot more though.

By the way, I highly recommend the following weapon sets if going this way
Spear1
Crippling
+5e
+30 HP

Spear2
Zealous
+5e
+30

shield
16 AR (Qwhatever fits)
+1/20%
+30 HP

You'll be using the motivation line enough that the +1 has plenty of chances to activate. +armor vs (damagetype) is also nice, but I have trouble switching sets. The zealous spear is there in case your AP fails, or if you're against a tough boss, so you don't run out of energy.

remicks · Aug 07, 2009, 12:02 PM // 12:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killamus

I do that often as well, then I go 15/9/9 and take out aria, and throw in fall back. I don't have a command shield though, and my mot shield is Q11, so I lose 9 armor and get targeted a lot more though.

This sounds like a great idea, btw if you pm me in game (Kagero Darklore) I have a spare gold q9 command shield you can have

Good Luck Dway-ing

Nerf Me Haha · Aug 30, 2009, 02:19 PM // 14:19

In my opinion it isn't vital to run AP caller with discord, sometimes I run ms/db since it puts out huge damage and supply the condition (DW from golden fang), another build I love to run is for A/P:
"go for the eyes!"
vicious spear // vicious attack (can't remember it's name xD)
spear of lightning / disrupting throw
"i'm the strongest"
assassin's remedy
way of the master
"incoming!"(E)
sunspear rebirth sig
Very fun build to play, and realy speeds up for process with "incoming!"

Good luck, PM me ingame if you need more help // wanna try some HM stuff
Sin Punk

Nitestride · Sep 11, 2009, 09:02 PM // 21:02

I'm not ready yet to try these out, but I wanted to ask yet another n00b question just to make sure I understand the theory being used here:

An AP Discord build is used when the player is an Assassin/Paragon, and is using the 3-Necro Discord heroes and wishes to synergize with those heroes. I would have thought that this build has as it's purpose the inflicting and spreading of Conditions and/or Hexes, but it seems like the discussion here is focused on using the Para skills to heal and restore Energy rather than feed the Discord requirements.

Do I have that right?

Killamus · Sep 12, 2009, 03:20 AM // 03:20

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Originally Posted by Nitestride

I'm not ready yet to try these out, but I wanted to ask yet another n00b question just to make sure I understand the theory being used here:

An AP Discord build is used when the player is an Assassin/Paragon, and is using the 3-Necro Discord heroes and wishes to synergize with those heroes. I would have thought that this build has as it's purpose the inflicting and spreading of Conditions and/or Hexes, but it seems like the discussion here is focused on using the Para skills to heal and restore Energy rather than feed the Discord requirements.

Do I have that right?

Somewhat. Assassin's promise/YMLaD is all the discord fodder you'll need. If you use called/micro'd spikes, I highly doubt that you'll ever need a second hex unless you're in a hex removal heavy area. I prefer using paragon skills to help migate damage because I don't use the N/Rt versions of it, and as such, my only *Real* healing comes from Henchmen and Dywana's Sorrow.

On the other side of this is people who use the defensive version of discord, and as such, have less damage, but more healing. Those people usually go A/N or A/Rt, for additional utility (Mark of pain, spirits for healing, barbs, etc).

I really only use Fall Back in NM and in areas where it's safe to leeroy into every mob without worrying (A suprising amount of time, when using discord correctly), otherwise I bring something else, such as Aria of zeal.

Nitestride · Sep 14, 2009, 01:26 PM // 13:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killamus

Somewhat. Assassin's promise/YMLaD is all the discord fodder you'll need.

Ok - so that clears up one n00b misunderstanding I had: AP = Assassin's Promise (which fulfills the hex condition, as well as e-management and recharging skills for the next target), not A/P (which of course is a class designation).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killamus

I don't use the N/Rt versions of it

Here it = a Discordway Necro build?

Also - thank you for the rest of the good information.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killamus

areas where it's safe to leeroy into every mob without worrying (A suprising amount of time, when using discord correctly)

I will definitely need to sharpen up my Assassin technique as I start doing more HM, since this is how I usually approach mobs.

Scythe O F Glory · Sep 14, 2009, 08:49 PM // 20:49

I've been using an AP caller with Paragon chants (Aria of Zeal + Others) for constant energy management which = more spamming of discord. I'm sure their energy is just fine the way it is, but the more the merrier.

pixie the monk · Sep 25, 2009, 10:52 PM // 22:52

AP+fall back= gg

yee, i would still use ap and some para support skills just for buffing team

Dragons Avatar · Sep 28, 2009, 11:45 AM // 11:45

Hmm, Paragon as secondary never crossed my mind xD. Looks helpfull tho might have to try that out.

So far i've always been running A/Mo

16 Deadly Arts

Assassin's Promise
Dancing Daggers
Entanglish Asp
Signet of Toxic Shock
"You Move Like a Dwarf!"
"Finish Him!"
Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support
Rebirth (Just in case, not used a lot tho =P)

Realy in most HM vanqs or dungeons, i barely get to 2,3 and 4

I always cast in the same order, AP, YMLAD,EVAS,FH and more often than not thats the end of them.

i Wield a 20Energy / 20%Ench staff =]