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NYC Elite · Jun 23, 2008, 10:47 PM // 22:47

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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc

Nightstalkers is pretty useful in Ursan builds.

Putting aside the comments of "this is a guide to playing an assassin, not an ursan" and the "no u", nightstalkers isn't good on an ursan unless you're auto-attacking the whole time instead of being useful and spamming 1 and 2.

October Jade · Jun 24, 2008, 03:49 PM // 15:49

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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams

o hai

I saw that. I was hoping for more discussion because you only compared it to Radiant, which you admit is nearly worthless anyway. That's some pretty detailed analysis.

At least Bobby2 attempted to reason through the question; thank you.

RavagerOfDreams · Jun 24, 2008, 06:51 PM // 18:51

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Originally Posted by October Jade

I saw that. I was hoping for more discussion because you only compared it to Radiant, which you admit is nearly worthless anyway. That's some pretty detailed analysis.

At least Bobby2 attempted to reason through the question; thank you.

1) it is

2) bobby said survivor is best for all situations so he basically said the same thing i did

3) your welcome

also if you wanted a "detailed analysis" you should've said so instead of saying that there wasnt a section. Also i believe i said in there that it was mostly preference anyways as arguments often start up about these things. Survivor is widely considered to be the best choice for the job and since this is a first time sin guide i put it in what is best for first time sins

if u want to continue arguing go ahead but seeing as your question was answered in the guide i see no reason for you to be a smart ass.

Unreal Havoc · Jun 24, 2008, 07:59 PM // 19:59

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Originally Posted by NYC Elite

Putting aside the comments of "this is a guide to playing an assassin, not an ursan" and the "no u", nightstalkers isn't good on an ursan unless you're auto-attacking the whole time instead of being useful and spamming 1 and 2.

I take it you don't auto-attack with a zealous weapon between skills to keep your energy maintained? No? You know? There is that thing called skill recharge? Right?

LFP with common sense.

Bobby2 · Jun 24, 2008, 09:11 PM // 21:11

...sigh...

on topic

Nightstalker's is maybe less useless than Survivor's for Ursan builds

Super Igor · Jun 28, 2008, 09:12 PM // 21:12

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

Oh hush Unreal, you don't want bear ninjas any more than I do

Ninja bears...sweet.

Tbh on topic, i think best choice for ursan is having moar hp, imo, survivor. Besides you want NOT to be hit way too much in vanquishes soo, u kno.

Bobby2 · Jul 04, 2008, 09:49 AM // 09:49

Awaiting edit, following SF nerf

/dance

Lourens · Jul 12, 2008, 08:15 PM // 20:15

forgot conjure??

RavagerOfDreams · Jul 12, 2008, 08:35 PM // 20:35

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Originally Posted by Lourens

forgot conjure??

added

igor got banned lolololol

Lishy · Jul 12, 2008, 09:52 PM // 21:52

Probably one of the best guides ever. Who knows? I may even go back to re-maining my assassin and completing NF ^_^
Think you can cover assassins+pets though? I remember seeing a few synergy builds with a Sin+Pet in TA.
From what I saw, the build the person used kinda acted like a bunny Thumper.

RavagerOfDreams · Jul 13, 2008, 04:58 AM // 04:58

Kain i am very sorry but the only pet build i ever used in the exsistance of sins was nerfed with HoTO. However if anyone else knows a good build please post it.

well i have thought of a pet build

[unsuspecting strike] [lotus strike] [twisting fangs] [tigers fury] [enraged lunge] [charm animal] [comfort animal]

best i can think of tbh

Napalm Flame · Jan 06, 2009, 07:37 PM // 19:37

I disagree with parts of this guide. If you know how to manage energy you won't need to sit in zealous daggers. I never do because I actually know HOW to manage my energy, and crit strikes suffices. Wtb moar vamp weapons. Also, MS/DB? lol wut? So i herd palm strike is actually now a damn good elite with 75+ armor ignoring damage with cripple straight off the bat. This guide needs to feature less bad bars and more absolutely broken builds that demolish PvE.

Picuso · Jan 06, 2009, 09:37 PM // 21:37

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Originally Posted by Napalm Flame

Also, MS/DB? lol wut? So i herd palm strike is actually now a damn good elite with 75+ armor ignoring damage with cripple straight off the bat.

So i herd MS/DB pwns PvE, and Palm Strike pwns PvP.

Napalm Flame · Jan 06, 2009, 10:06 PM // 22:06

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Originally Posted by Picuso

So i herd MS/DB pwns PvE, and Palm Strike pwns PvP.

Benefits of palm strike in PvE, I'll list them.

Mobs with high AL get wtfowned by it, because it's armor ignoring, and if the mobs you're fighting have a tendency to break aggro and switch targets to your monks, you've got a quick recharging cripple to avoid major HM wipes. In case you hadn't noticed, it's not a palm strike SPIKER I'm on about, it's palm strike PRESSURE. PS/DB over MS/DB.

Taking PS/DB for the snare is good. If you want raw damage, say 'screw MS/DB, I'm going critscythe with DW spam!' Hopefully you see the logic.

Unreal Havoc · Jan 06, 2009, 10:36 PM // 22:36

Or just take a Ranger with Cripshot for unblockable ranged snares before you even get near the mob that can be quickly covered by Poison and has a faster recharge? Deep Freeze? Ward Against Foes?

Personally for avoiding wiping I prefer You Move Like A Dwarf because I can activate it while running away without stopping to use it in melee range.

Picuso · Jan 06, 2009, 10:43 PM // 22:43

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Originally Posted by Napalm Flame

Mobs with high AL get wtfowned by it, because it's armor ignoring, and if the mobs you're fighting have a tendency to break aggro and switch targets to your monks, you've got a quick recharging cripple to avoid major HM wipes. In case you hadn't noticed, it's not a palm strike SPIKER I'm on about, it's palm strike PRESSURE. PS/DB over MS/DB.

And +X dmg and AoE dmg from Death Blossom is Armor-ignoring too.

I used it when I played my Assassin in PvE and I never needed that "quick recharging cripple to avoid major HM Wipes". Aegis and good monks was enough.

Use PS in PvE if you want.

Bobby2 · Jan 06, 2009, 10:51 PM // 22:51

MS/DB over any PS chain in PvE. Positioning wins.

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Originally Posted by Picuso

I used it when I played my Assassin in PvE and I never needed that "quick recharging cripple to avoid major HM Wipes". Aegis and good monks was enough.

QFT, but even so

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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc

Personally for avoiding wiping I prefer You Move Like A Dwarf because I can activate it while running away without stopping to use it in melee range.

Napalm Flame · Jan 08, 2009, 08:53 PM // 20:53

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

MS/DB over any PS chain in PvE. Positioning wins.

lol blind and block

Unreal Havoc · Jan 08, 2009, 08:58 PM // 20:58

Self condition removal/Monks with condition removal and Wild Blow/Necromancers with Rigor Mortis/Defile Defenses/any form of enchantment removal.

Seriously... if it's PvE you know what's ahead of you (or should do) so you're going to prepare for it.

Also blocking and blinding screws the rest of your chain too, what you're going to spam Palm Strike every four seconds on recharge until blind gets removed or until the blocking has been dealt with? That's like the equivelant of 20DPS at 14 Critical Strikes only you don't even critical because it's a touch skill, yeah that's really going to achieve alot.

Tyla · Jan 08, 2009, 10:19 PM // 22:19

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Originally Posted by Napalm Flame

lol blind and block

Learn to condition removal.
Oh, and...
Learn to take counters to block.

Palm Strike is unblockable and unblindable, but did you know that those same things hurt the rest of your combo too or were you so phased with ignorance posting that remark that you forgot?

Also, Assassins' Remedy.