Curse

Monk GW · Oct 27, 2011, 06:10 PM // 18:10

Daesu,

My heroes were setup correctly with proper runs and dmg skills (i read your posts a few times make sure they are fine, watch videos a few times as well), the issue is when you flag 4 mesmers away from healers they will start scattering and madness titans will go thru and hit your healers or bonder. it stars after 15 or 20 minuts (scattering ), like I said I will have a little bit time on Saturday and Sunday and will redo it again with some changes, btw I run as Monk so I can take extra bonds for heroes, and I have a few ideas. I will share them after a few tests.

Monk Asia

Daesu · Oct 27, 2011, 08:28 PM // 20:28

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Originally Posted by ScienceXReason

i was using tlam's set according to his vid, and my team normally held fine, it was just that my front line scattered way too much so the ESurge was only hitting 1-2 things, and madness titans would run through to my healers and eventually my bonder.

Sounds like it is a flagging problem then. It is ok for the Titans to come forward to attack your character, your Biper, or the SoS. As long as the prots stay, you can tank their attacks. My caster stood there with sword/spear and shield without problems.

But, it is NOT ok if the monsters start attacking your bonder (which should be set to defensive). This means that your bonder was flagged too close. Flag your bonder FAR away from the rest of your team because she is the one holding your team together and preventing a wipe. Monsters must not reach her.

Having said that, there is also a limit to how far you can flag her while letting the effects of Winter to get to your front line mesmers. Play with the flagging to get the max limit of flagging your bonder far away while having the influence of Winter on your mesmers.

Mesmers should be set to aggressive, bonder defensive, and the rest to guard.

@MonkGW: Same thing.

ScienceXReason · Oct 27, 2011, 10:53 PM // 22:53

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Sounds like it is a flagging problem then. It is ok for the Titans to come forward to attack your character, your Biper, or the SoS. As long as the prots stay, you can tank their attacks. My caster stood there with sword/spear and shield without problems.

But, it is NOT ok if the monsters start attacking your bonder (which should be set to defensive). This means that your bonder was flagged too close. Flag your bonder FAR away from the rest of your team because she is the one holding your team together and preventing a wipe. Monsters must not reach her.

Having said that, there is also a limit to how far you can flag her while letting the effects of Winter to get to your front line mesmers. Play with the flagging to get the max limit of flagging your bonder far away while having the influence of Winter on your mesmers.

Mesmers should be set to aggressive, bonder defensive, and the rest to guard.

@MonkGW: Same thing.

from what i saw on tlam's vid he disabled winter and mantra on all the mesmers and let bip do all the energy work.

the issue with the bonder was that my bipper died from gettign chased around out of range of the bonds, so i had to rez her manually (gwen was fighting for her life) and call the bonder up to re bond her, which was when the madness titans started going after him.

Daesu · Oct 28, 2011, 02:34 AM // 02:34

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Originally Posted by ScienceXReason

from what i saw on tlam's vid he disabled winter and mantra on all the mesmers and let bip do all the energy work.

the issue with the bonder was that my bipper died from gettign chased around out of range of the bonds, so i had to rez her manually (gwen was fighting for her life) and call the bonder up to re bond her, which was when the madness titans started going after him.

You should flag your Bipper beside your character. All your heroes should be flagged with mesmers right in front, SoS between you and your mesmers, and Bipper beside you. Bonder should be far behind you so no monsters should enage her.

If you follow the build and the instructions, you should not be having so many problems. I have my third Legendary Survivor now using this process.

I overdid this guy and had my guild wars client running until it crashes with 2,454,157 XP since last death.

untitled2005 · Oct 29, 2011, 08:53 PM // 20:53

This is very neat. I basically copy & pasted Tham's hero build and followed his tips. Set it up last night, and got LS this morning after 9 hrs. Thanks OP for the idea & Tham for the build!

il Priscilla il · Nov 05, 2011, 03:54 PM // 15:54

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Originally Posted by Daesu

As for the map of how to get to the area with the portals,

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2...madnessmap.jpg

Just follow the blue line till you get to the area with the 5 purple dots. When you are in this area, clear 4 portals clockwise until you reach the spot where you see the video being taken by following the green line. The Titan spawning portal is circled yellow. One of Tlam's video has a mini map:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85ruSvlOaVo

Use the trick of letting the Shirokens move up while you enter the gate that they come out from (refer to the wiki if you dont know what I am talking about), the portal spawning the titans would be immediately to your right upon entering. When you enter, move quickly straight ahead and clear clockwise (refer to the green line on the map).

If you have mercs you can go for a more aggressive build like the one I used:

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9...template1o.jpg

Codes:

Ineptitude mesmer: OQhkAoB8AGK0LQeGC4KwEgJACwFD
ES mesmer1: OQhkAoC8AGKzJAnmDMd3UBHC4iB
ES mesmer2: OQlkAgC8AaezJAnmDMdFBBHCoGD
ES mesmer3: OQlkAgC8AaezJAnmDMdbABHCoGD
SoS Rit: OACjEyiM5QXTMTeTlTciDTSTTO
BiP necro: OAhkQoG4hEyzdQ4JNncDzdXVt6B
Bonder monk: OwIT8W4ixxhEPoJBk76KJl4cA

Works perfectly.
4 legendary survivors already :]

If your heroes are not specifically setup you can simply clear the first portal to the left and sit there as the titan pathing will be long enough to not be overrun with madness titans, however you may or may not lose the scroll depending how close you are able to flag your heroes.

Starlet · Nov 10, 2011, 02:01 PM // 14:01

So after many disconects and many deaths I am now Luna the Legendary Survivor! I never want to look at that mission again. Thank so much to everyone who posted in this thread with your helpful advice. <3

Amnel Ithtirsol · Nov 11, 2011, 06:27 AM // 06:27

Gz Starlet

Btw: I also managed to get LS a few nights ago using the tips in this thread, so thanks to everyone who posted here!

Daesu · Nov 18, 2011, 01:29 AM // 01:29

Thanks to this, now all my playable PvE characters are legendary survivors. That is a total of 20 legendary survivors comprising of all the professions.

All I needed is about 15 minutes to setup each character and spend the rest of my time doing something else (e.g. sleeping/eating/working), so effectively, it only costs me 15 mins of game time to get LS.

Just be sure to flag your heroes so that your bonder is definitely protected and also minimize monster contact with your BiPer.

Sophia Kallistate · Nov 23, 2011, 03:02 AM // 03:02

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Thanks to this, now all my playable PvE characters are legendary survivors. That is a total of 20 legendary survivors comprising of all the professions.

All I needed is about 15 minutes to setup each character and spend the rest of my time doing something else (e.g. sleeping/eating/working), so effectively, it only costs me 15 mins of game time to get LS.

Just be sure to flag your heroes so that your bonder is definitely protected and also minimize monster contact with your BiPer.

Is there a way to do this if you don't have access to mercenaries?

Showtime · Nov 23, 2011, 03:44 AM // 03:44

3 ways discussed are all good imo.

AFK might a take a while. Could wake up and find him dead. But no biggie, not like you are putting effort into it.

Farming works, but is risky. Anything goes wrong and you are dead. Look for the QQ so close to and lag or something stories. It takes some luck imo. I can't concentrate that long.

FoW with heros is the best imo. It's only 10 runs. Do 2 a night for a week and get ok drops and gold. There's only one area that could mess up a well made team. Just have to pull and be ready to run if it goes to shit. REZ scrolls help. I did 4 in HM and the rest in NM. It was my final nm run that gave me the most problems. Burning forest got super aggrod when my defend monk ran out. Like the game knew lol. Griffs came out once in 10 runs. So I flagged my heros forward and tagged far behind. Also you could try a few SC's 1st. Do 3 or 4 and then go to heroing in NM for the rest. RoJ'd it with my Ranger SOS. Flagging is key and clear out anything that could be a problem. Not worth saving time over safety.

il Priscilla il · Nov 23, 2011, 03:53 AM // 03:53

If you don't have access to a merc slot I would take norgu Gwen raza (mes) and either a curses or blood nec, you probably wot e able to do it in hm without the mes merc, but I'm not positive.

Well of blood or suffering depending if you need more defense or offense. There's most likely a better solution than the extra nec, even taking the paragon hero could be useful, but you should go for as much armor ignoring damage as u can muster to make sure the madness titans are cleared before the next wave is aggrod or you will be overrun.

With proper flagging I have not once had any issues with any deaths or wipes while afk.

Daesu · Nov 23, 2011, 07:43 PM // 19:43

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Originally Posted by Sophia Kallistate

Is there a way to do this if you don't have access to mercenaries?

Of course, you can use Tlam's build shown here

il Priscilla il · Nov 23, 2011, 10:34 PM // 22:34

Just as an aside, holiday drops do not drop from the second and following waves :c

Riftafelian · Nov 24, 2011, 03:23 PM // 15:23

This really worked for me. Had to try a couple of times Died 2 times not paying attention to place ment.

Thanks again.

Tlam · Nov 25, 2011, 10:12 AM // 10:12

I have been improving my team, achieving LS in 4 hours 48 minutes on the last attempt. That time could be improved by using a single damage dealer, and I have an idea for such a hero but doubt it'll work

Anyway, I have written up a team build in my sandbox on gwpvx, hopefully it covers everything and is easier to read than a forum post.

http://www.gwpvx.com/User:Tlam/Sandbox

YouTube video and screenshot of the /age.

@Plutoman, I tried taking additional leechers on an earlier attempt, its time could be better (using the set up similar to above) - 3 AFKers.

Hephaestus Ram · Nov 27, 2011, 02:45 AM // 02:45

For everyone that would like to try the "Gate of Madness" way, but doesn't want to go
through the process of re-runing (is that a word?) your character...not a problem.

I wanted to do it Tlam's way, but decided to try it "as is" first because I just didn't
feel like changing my runes and weapons all around. I didn't even really want the title,
it just sounded like a fun quest. So the only thing I did was convert Razah from ritualist
to mesmer.

I needn't have worried, everything worked out great. Only things that I worried about, other
than Livia sacrificing herself to death was that the spawns might die so fast that the next
group wouldn't arrive before the scroll expired.

The fact that my character was a warrior (basically dead weight) concerned me, but I had
enough energy to enchant Livia and one mesmer with Life Attunement. That was good enough.

So if you don't want to make a lot of changes... not a problem.Even with minor runes and
less than ideal weapons it's still pretty easy even in hard mode. comes out to around 1
level (15,000 points) every 9 minutes.

il Priscilla il · Nov 30, 2011, 03:04 AM // 03:04

With succor, I am able to cast life attunement x4 as warrior primary and the BiP will keep your energy up while afk (remember to hold a non martial weapon).

Daesu · Nov 30, 2011, 03:34 PM // 15:34

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Originally Posted by il Priscilla il

With succor, I am able to cast life attunement x4 as warrior primary and the BiP will keep your energy up while afk (remember to hold a non martial weapon).

I wouldn't recommend leveraging on the BiPer if you can help it because your BiPer is one of the weak links in your team build. The other one is your bonder but she is usually flagged to a safer distance. Having your BiPer dies while you are afk, means that she is rez without bonds so there is a higher chance for her to die again and risk a wipe. Therefore, I always flag my heroes in a way that protects my BiPer and bonder. I have only life attunement x3 as a warrior with succor.

tempest thyme · Dec 29, 2011, 06:01 AM // 06:01

Does this still work? I went AFK at 0130 and came back at 0630 today. No points were added to the survivor title since I left.

Rather interestingly, I was not stuck on the map, was still in HM, all the team including myself still were +10.

I had enchanted three heros and that was still active.... and heros and the foe were still moving, but not displaying any points to show kills.

To test this wierdness I started to move and at first I saw no points when I killed the foe. Very swiftly afterward the whole dynamic of attacks changed and the bonder was actually in danger so had to save him fast. All the foe movements I had studied earlier had changed. After about two minutes of fighting for survival / fixing flagging, I began to see display on kills.

Quite possibly this is me, I have a really bad connection and it's horrible around event times. (Which is why I have never considered doing this title until now, it would be insane to predict a ping bounce of between 100 and 200 ping several times a minute with an average ping of 500.

Hopefully it all works for everyone else and thanks to all for their advice. It has been a very large and interesting learning curve and fun, which is very rewarding in itself.