Curse

King Bannian · Jul 04, 2010, 03:58 AM // 03:58

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Originally Posted by Captain Krompdown

I think haggling has gone out the window as information has spread through sites like this one. Sites like this give the general population the impression that there are set values for items and that your price (or offer) can be right or wrong.

It used to be that the market was much more fragmented when it comes to information and opinion. That left much more room for haggling because people were able to convince each other of the (lack of) value of a particular item. Now, the markets are more set because sites like this (and several of its nameless luminaries) have put a lot of time and energy into making the markets.

Even better, the success of sites like this opens the door for sellers and buyers to PRETEND that there's a consensus on the value of an item. People can always allude to a site or group of people who have established a price for an item (but somehow are never actually BUYING this item for that price).

All of these forces (and probably others) are, in my mind, behind the demise of haggling in Guild Wars.

/rant

Impeccable words.

Ranger Jaap · Aug 04, 2010, 11:18 PM // 23:18

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Originally Posted by tasha

This annoys me. What annoys me more is the silence or straight no. Whatever happened to haggling?

Yes, i like haggling my self, so i sell an X item so person says how much?
I say XXX(max price), and then they are like LOL GL WITH THAT (or insert retarded comment).

Gabriel of Ravn · Aug 05, 2010, 01:33 AM // 01:33

What about when someone is spamming in Kamadan WTB: etc etc, then you PM them since you have the item and they are set to offline that is the most irritating thing.

QManCHEW · Aug 05, 2010, 04:16 AM // 04:16

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Originally Posted by Trader of Secrets

Heres one thing that I do not like:

seller: "WTS yadayada"
buyer: "how much?"
seller: "offer"

I just want a price, even something to work around.

I know this makes people rage, myself included, but I believe there is an exception to it.

On days when I find myself back in spamadan trying to quickly scrape some things out of my inventory, for example: random weapons, I will ask for an offer 90% of the time, but not because I'm a sleaze-bag, because I honestly have no idea whats it worth and weapons aren't nearly as quick to PC as mini pets are. Sometimes people throw out a random price(3-10k) for w/e i got and I'll gladly hand it over because that's obviously all its worth to them. But if I'm trying to buy a mini pet and the person tells me to "offer" I just end the conversation there and move on.

ACWhammy · Aug 09, 2010, 11:09 AM // 11:09

Oh oh oh i got a good one!

When people say "undead"

Pleikki · Aug 09, 2010, 11:32 AM // 11:32

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Originally Posted by ACWhammy

Oh oh oh i got a good one!

When people say "undead"

Yeah that annoys even tho it aint anything important, sometimes even when ive said like "WTS unded kuunavang" Someone pm's me asking me "is it Undead?!"

ACWhammy · Aug 09, 2010, 01:35 PM // 13:35

Ok this one takes the cake!

See attached

system.fan · Aug 09, 2010, 04:26 PM // 16:26

lol... sounds a bit unfriendly....
but maybe the buyer's name rly was "Go f yourself" xD

SkyFallsInThunder · Aug 10, 2010, 10:07 AM // 10:07

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Originally Posted by ACWhammy

Oh oh oh i got a good one!

When people say "undead"

Or, just as awesome, when people want to buy "tombz". C'mon. Seriously. I can understand the need for abbreviations and shorter texts, but there is no excuse for idiocy. Except McDonald's, maybe.

system.fan · Aug 10, 2010, 10:19 AM // 10:19

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Originally Posted by SkyFallsInThunder

Or, just as awesome, when people want to buy "tombz".

or Globes of Ectoplasm

SkyFallsInThunder · Aug 10, 2010, 10:49 AM // 10:49

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I say XXX(max price), and then they are like LOL GL WITH THAT (or insert retarded comment).

Some people wanna be hardball negotiators.

They use very aggressive language and talk down the seller's item and the seller in order to impress on him the incredibly low value of the item and the very high price asked, which he, the would-be buyer, in his godly light and wisdom and sheer awesomeness, will buy for not its value, low as it is, but for an incredibly 5K MORE THAN ITS VALUE, just so that the seller won't need to be trashed by others in the future concerning said incredibly low value and high price, respectively.

These guys are the best. Seriously. Few things I enjoy in GW nowadays than to troll these morons until they put me on Ignored. Then do the same on my alt acc. Then on my 3rd acc. Then on my 4th acc. Then I PM some friends who I know like this kind of "traders", too, and they repeat the process.

But the sad part is that it works. I had numerous guildies over the past who got effectively robbed of items by such means, and were after convinced of the rightness of their choice and tried to further spread their newly-acquired "knowledge"...

But I also got the other side, when someone was selling, say, a mini Princess Salma, I asked how much, he said 30e. Then, yes, I replied "rofl, gl with that"... Asking for a higher offer in order to have a value from where to negotiate down is alright, but asking for more than twice its worth is... well...

I did not bother to tell him of its actual market value, I guessed where that convo was going...

Twilno · Aug 16, 2010, 08:56 PM // 20:56

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Originally Posted by system.fan

Gaaawd just remembered another thing when i was in Kamadan:

You offer something and got EVERYTHING the ppl have to know in your add....
And then always those stupid question: "can i see?'... and you know he will never buy it lol

if you say ok and show him the sword.... he looks at it for like 10minutes, then stops trade and doesnt say any word.
if yoi say something like "no, i told u all you have to know" you get answers like.... fu noob, or they start trading you all the time like they don't understand what no means...

This has been killing me lately. So many people have been asking to see the items I am selling. At first I was cool with it, figuring it might turn into a sale, but it never does. So I have gotten to the point where I am straight up telling people "No, go wiki it if you want to see the skin". I hate to be mean about it, but it is such a waste of time and if people aren't informed enough to know what the skin looks like before they PM me, odds are they have no genuine intention to buy.

Sarevok Thordin · Aug 16, 2010, 10:09 PM // 22:09

The WTS then Offer guys mentioned earlier are a HUGE killer for wanting to trade with players. They waste time like nobody else, and if they ever ask for an offer and I am feeling evil I just give them a ridiculously lower price then work up to something STILL lower and say "That's higher than value but I don't want to waste time", sometimes the idiot falls for it. If you want to sell, get your price in mind.

Of course, the aggressive foul mouthed ignore happy people are bigger morons.

Auction houses would alleviate this so much..all the prices would be visible etc..well, GW2 is coming.

Lord Mip · Aug 17, 2010, 12:25 AM // 00:25

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Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin

The WTS then Offer guys mentioned earlier are a HUGE killer for wanting to trade with players. They waste time like nobody else, and if they ever ask for an offer and I am feeling evil I just give them a ridiculously lower price then work up to something STILL lower and say "That's higher than value but I don't want to waste time", sometimes the idiot falls for it. If you want to sell, get your price in mind.

Of course, the aggressive foul mouthed ignore happy people are bigger morons.

Auction houses would alleviate this so much..all the prices would be visible etc..well, GW2 is coming.

I will miss the non-auction house economy, where you can haggle over items. That's really my most favourite type of trading.

Also, about the sellers who ask for an offer. It's only natural sellers ask for an offer, I do so myself too. Sometimes people offer more than you planned to sell an item for. Also, you came up with the perfect solution yourself. If they ask you to offer, give them a low price. If they tell you GO AWAY STUPID NOOB /IGNORE then you know they're not worth your while, otherwise they'll give a price and you can do some real trading.

Hobbs · Aug 17, 2010, 04:49 AM // 04:49

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Originally Posted by SkyFallsInThunder

I did not bother to tell him of its actual market value

What a helpful gentleman you are.

Captain Krompdown · Aug 17, 2010, 04:56 PM // 16:56

I still think the central issue here is the one I mentioned in my earlier posts. If someone is selling, they (by definition) are offering something in exchange for a certain amount of money. That amount of money (for which you will exchange your item) is commonly called a "price". Without a price, you aren't selling. See how that works?

If someone is just looking to see what they can get for an item, then they are NOT selling. They are doing something else. They are price checking. When you tell someone that you're selling when you're really only price checking, it's annoying because no sale is actually possible. Since no sale is possible (and yet the person claims to be selling), the "seller" is lying. That is unethical.

The price checker isn't the only kind of non-seller out there. There are people out there who also claim to be selling and ask for offers only because they hope to catch an uninformed, overenthusiastic buyer with some $$ to spend (they used to be ebayers, then they were dupers). People who do this are not actually selling. They are setting booby traps and trying to take advantage of certain players. The item they are "selling" isn't available at anything close to fair market value for anyone to buy. Not only is this kind of non-seller lying, but they are lying so that they can try to rip people off. That's unethical. Twice.

tooburns · Aug 17, 2010, 08:38 PM // 20:38

how to kill Tooburns
Seller spamming: wts dasfafa shield ...pm offer
5min l8r
seller spamming : wts hbdasksahlk shield c/o 190e b/o 210
5 min l8r
seller spamming : wts asfafafafaf shield c/o150e b/o 210e
the day after
seller spamming : wts fasfhjagf shield 120e

makosi · Aug 17, 2010, 11:49 PM // 23:49

A certain individual has been trying to sell 10,000 party points for 200g a point in Kamadan for several weeks. The points are in the form of frosty tonics which means the seller is asking for 400g per tonic. I paid 180g per tonic (90g/point) last Christmas for around 4,000 points so I could finish my title in a cost-effective manner.

Tonics are a pain in the ass for getting title points whereas spammable stuff like champagne poppers and sparklers are a case of merely clicking away, which is why tonics are cheaper than the 'good' party points. Even still, spammable points cost less than 200g per point in the current market.

Even though it might not be considered 'unethical', it pisses me off seeing this person spamming their overpriced tonics and clearly having no success. I think he/she is hoping for one of those opportunities that Captain Krompdown talked about.

Pleikki · Aug 18, 2010, 04:09 AM // 04:09

About The "Price Checking" Captain Krompdown was speaking about, I gotta say ive done it also, Ive been trying sell so id myself get bit better idea on value, BUT, When ive done that, i have had price when its not impossible to buy it! Price has just been Way Overprice of its worth, so noneone rly would buy it

King_GhOsT · Aug 18, 2010, 02:28 PM // 14:28

Had this happen to me last night

Seller: WTS Unded Dagnar etc etc
Me: 50k for Dagnor
Seller: Ok but I got someone offering 75k for it, Can you match it?
Me: nty, That to much for me you should take that offer.

Now I was almost 100% sure he was lieing to me, So I logged off my 1st account quickly and I went on my 2nd account and offer him 50k again for the Dagnor and I got the same sorry that there was a c/o. So I told him nty again, but he told me he would let me know if the other guy fell through. Two minutes later he pms me "Other guy back down, still want Dagnor?"

Now He really could have had another offer, But I very much doubt it, when your asking me if I will match an offer, somethings not right

Long story short, fake Current offers are super lame