Curse

Jenn · Jun 23, 2010, 03:14 AM // 03:14

I hate when people undercut my buy out, or overbid someone by a stupidly low amount.

E.g. WTS Item 20k, and someone replies "19.5k?". I just want to slap them for being lame :\. I never sell.

I also hate it when someone outbids someone on an item for a small amount (this amount is scalable to the items value, e.g. 50 gold on an inscription, or 1 ecto on a panda). When this happens, I always sell it to the person who didn't get silly with bids

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As for buyout honouring, and going over buy outs, I'm perfectly fine with it. To me, I see "buyout" as just a number that I'm willing to accept if no one goes over it. Unlike Auctions, there is no contract between the buyer and seller when someone takes 'buy out.' A 'buyout' in Ventari's should be regarded as a colloquialism as a byproduct of more formal jargon related to sites like EBay. IMO, if someone wants it more, they will pay more, and therefore are more entitled to the item.

To all those others hating on the, "WTS _____", "What's your price," "Offer?" scenario... that's exactly what auctions are like. You offer on items. Whether or not the person takes it is their choice

. Why is it so different when it's in game? I do agree that it's annoying though because it takes more effort, haha.

Um, I hate fake bidders (usually e-peen related). I hate shill bidders (lame, low, etc.). In general, I dislike a lot of slimeballs willing to screw people out of their money just so they can make their own profit.

**cosyfiep** · Jun 23, 2010, 05:37 AM // 05:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Krompdown

Rule #1 (Kromp's Rule):
If you are selling an item, then you should have a price.

Kromp's Corollary #1:
If you do not know what you want for an item, you are not actually ready to sell.

Kromp's Corollary#2:
If you are not ready to sell an item, do not tell others that you are selling.

I'm all for this....for many different reasons.

Trader of Secrets · Jun 23, 2010, 11:49 PM // 23:49

The "WTS>price>offer" is in no way like an auction. There is no s/b and no way of knowing a c/o. And when I do ask for a price, it usually does mean whats your sb, rb, or co. I do usually forgive this for the very highend stuff, like rare minis.

jimbo32 · Jun 24, 2010, 12:25 AM // 00:25

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Originally Posted by Jenn

To all those others hating on the, "WTS _____", "What's your price," "Offer?" scenario... that's exactly what auctions are like. You offer on items. Whether or not the person takes it is their choice

. Why is it so different when it's in game? I do agree that it's annoying though because it takes more effort, haha.

But it usually isn't an auction type thing. The typical conversation with a Kamadan moron goes something like this:

Moron: "WTS Q9 INSC FRYING PAN>>>>TEFLON!!!! (caps lock is pretty much a given)
You: "Hey, did you have a price in mind for your frying pan?"
Moron: "OFFER"
You: "How's 10k sound?"
Moron: "GTFO NOOB"
You: *raeg*

The fact is that most of these idiots *do* have a price in mind, and nine times out ten their price is completely preposterous.

Shocking Real-Life Edit:

In Kamadan just a few minutes ago, I noticed a WTS that was something like:
WTS gold spears - Crenellated, Serrated, Pronged, Windblade 15k each

Here's the whispered conversation:

Not exactly the same situation, but I think it illustrates the mentality and attitude of a lot of the shite-for-brains kids who play GW.

system.fan · Jun 28, 2010, 05:01 PM // 17:01

Right now in Kamadan.... Perfect example for 100% dumb fake c/o's:

Just annyoing..... hate such idiots -.-

Torpoon · Jun 28, 2010, 08:10 PM // 20:10

I am not really an elite trader or anything but I have been around for a long time. One of the things that bugs me the most actually has to do with hunting down particular items. I am not terribly active in ventari but I have never in my history of using this site actually 'bought' something. What bugs me the most are people who make a thread to sell, and either A) Forget about it B) Keep it going for months on end or C) Put a S/B and a R/B. Really just make the R/B the S/B so people don't waste their time. I honestly just do my best to straight out ignore an item unless I desperately want it if it has an R/B.

Eazy Duz It · Jun 28, 2010, 08:17 PM // 20:17

Id just like to say that I HATE it when you offer and the seller doesnt respond. It pisses me off and pretty much doesnt make me want to do any business with them because clearly Im not worth there time. Yes I know I dont always have the highest offers but at least treat the person with some respect. And second of all I hate when people just plain disregard what you say, even though they are wrong, yes wrong, but they continue to argue. Also, I know some may argue that every seller has a price they are looking for, but consider why they are asking for offers. Is it maybe because they are trying to get a feel for the market? Or what about just searching for an offer at or above the price they are hoping for. Its perfectly reasonable to ask for offers. I just wish people werent so rude when you ask for their offer.

system.fan · Jun 29, 2010, 06:03 PM // 18:03

Next example of ppl that drive me crazy:

I took b/o on a Cele Shield and a GPB, he pmed me ingame and didnt want to sell the Shield cause anyone else offered more than the B/O i took....

Captain Krompdown · Jun 29, 2010, 06:10 PM // 18:10

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Originally Posted by Eazy Duz It

Also, I know some may argue that every seller has a price they are looking for, but consider why they are asking for offers. Is it maybe because they are trying to get a feel for the market?

I am one of the people who would argue that this isn't reasonable selling behavior. The people who do this aren't selling. They are price checking. They are not ready to actually sell. They are still in the process of preparing to sell.

If this "seller" is actually just "getting a feel for the market," then they will not sell to you, no matter how good your offer is. They will take your offer as information about the market, rather than the beginning of a SALE. That, in my mind, is the difference.

Sellers are pursuing a sale.

Price checkers are after information.

Telling someone that you're selling when you're not ready to sell only leads to frustration on both sides. The buyer doesn't get to buy and the price checker doesn't get his information. It's bad for all of us.

system.fan · Jun 29, 2010, 06:42 PM // 18:42

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Originally Posted by Eazy Duz It

Also, I know some may argue that every seller has a price they are looking for, but consider why they are asking for offers. Is it maybe because they are trying to get a feel for the market?

Well actually here at guru everybody is lookin for offers. Don't know many ppl that have a b/o when they open a thread or after first bump....
I think its just to see if there is enough interest in the item(s) or if somebody would already offer more than expected....

I personally try to check if there is enough interest in my items too before i add a b/o here....
Also I don't add a b/o and let ppl just offer if I'm not 100% sure what my item is worth...

I guess that's what many people are doing ingame too....

But of course you're right too....
It can rly suck if people only want offers and dont even tell you the c/o or something.... And of course it can suck if you already gave any good offer and they keep on asking for more offers for days lol

Twilno · Jun 29, 2010, 07:45 PM // 19:45

Don't know if this is a common problem or if its just me, but I get a lot of buyers who will agree to an offer, open the trade window, and then submit a price lower than the agreed upon offer. Then when I correct them, they try haggle for a lower price. Usually it goes something like this:

Me: WTS something for 20k
Buyer: I'll buy it.
*Buyer opens trade window, submits 15k*
Me:The price was 20k.
Buyer: Oh, well I only have 15k.
*I close trade window*
Buyer: OMG, fine I will pay 17.5k.

Or my other favorite is when someone argues with me that my price is too high, then tries to lowball my price. I recently had someone tell me that 5k for a zkey was too much (even though every other seller in GToB was selling at that price) and the proceed to offer 3k per zkey.

/rant

Louis1976 · Jun 29, 2010, 08:34 PM // 20:34

What totally annoys me is ppl selling and asking for offers, and then that conversation happens (had one like that today....):

Guy: WTS Echovald Shield q9 -2st/30....
Me: Hi, what's the price on your echovald, it's cut in party search
Guy: b/o is 300e
Me: What's c/o?
Guy: c/o 250e
Me: Sorry, I'll pass then, won't bid more than that, but good luck with your further sale

Guy: How much do you offer? (<--- c/o was probably fake)
Me: I'd have offered 100e or so for it...
Guy: noob
Guy: 100e is for rubbish ones, you maybe need another I have for 100e?

Well... have lots of convos like those in spamadan, people really annoy me. Also stuff like

Guy: "WTS Silverwing Bow Q13 pm offer"
Me: 27e
Guy: lol noob are you joking?
2 Mins later
Guy: you want for 32e?

Really, what do they think?!

Other thing that really, really pisses me off is ppl obviously trying to scam others like that one day I saw around pretty much during the last time, buying crap Zodiac/Dragon/etc. Staves with no inherent for 5kish, adding a 20hct mod and selling them for xx eish as 20/20 Staves in Spamadan. Same guy I now see buying Canthan Serpent Axes and selling them as tyrians. People be warned.

jm2c

system.fan · Jun 30, 2010, 10:09 AM // 10:09

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Originally Posted by Louis1976

Other thing that really, really pisses me off is ppl obviously trying to scam others like that one day I saw around pretty much during the last time, buying crap Zodiac/Dragon/etc. Staves with no inherent for 5kish, adding a 20hct mod and selling them for xx eish as 20/20 Staves in Spamadan. Same guy I now see buying Canthan Serpent Axes and selling them as tyrians. People be warned.
jm2c

Same with HRT10% singlemod prenerfed staves....
People add a Swift Staffhead hct10% so that it looks like 10/10 prenerf....
And if you tell em you dont need em cause its singlemod they are like: "noob its prenerf they only drop like that" or some bullshit like that...

greetz

tasha · Jun 30, 2010, 11:58 AM // 11:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trader of Secrets

Heres one thing that I do not like:

seller: "WTS yadayada"
buyer: "how much?"
seller: "offer"

I just want a price, even something to work around.

This annoys me. What annoys me more is the silence or straight no. Whatever happened to haggling?

Voodoo Rage · Jun 30, 2010, 02:26 PM // 14:26

I think the key theme to this thread is that we are all just fed up with the rudeness and lack of common decency from a lot of these traders. As was already brought up, if you walked into ANY business where the merchant just barks at you "Offer!" and then berates you, that merchant would go out of business in short time. Ultimately that behavior is motivated by greed and the willingness to scam someone who happens to offer way above market value. Yes, there are items that have a variable value due to demand and in those situations an auction format is a more appropriate means to sell. But even in that situation it would be reasonable to tell the buyer, "I'm taking bids on this item over the course of the next [x amount of time], feel free to make be an offer and I will sell to the highest bidder."

I remember a few months ago (I posted this in the "Stupid thing you saw in GW" thread), I had the prototypical rude power seller conversation that you have all posting. It went something like this:

Him: WTS Q6 AR14 Sharktooth Shield
Me: Do you have an asking price on that shield?
Him: Offer
Me: I really have no idea what those types of shields are worth but I am willing to pay a reasonable price, can't you give me a price?
Him: No, offer
Me: uh... how about 25k?
Him. bb noob

And then he puts me on IGNORE. What a prick.

Captain Krompdown · Jun 30, 2010, 02:50 PM // 14:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by tasha

Whatever happened to haggling?

I think haggling has gone out the window as information has spread through sites like this one. Sites like this give the general population the impression that there are set values for items and that your price (or offer) can be right or wrong.

It used to be that the market was much more fragmented when it comes to information and opinion. That left much more room for haggling because people were able to convince each other of the (lack of) value of a particular item. Now, the markets are more set because sites like this (and several of its nameless luminaries) have put a lot of time and energy into making the markets.

Even better, the success of sites like this opens the door for sellers and buyers to PRETEND that there's a consensus on the value of an item. People can always allude to a site or group of people who have established a price for an item (but somehow are never actually BUYING this item for that price).

All of these forces (and probably others) are, in my mind, behind the demise of haggling in Guild Wars.

/rant

Luke D · Jun 30, 2010, 11:19 PM // 23:19

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Originally Posted by Twilno

Don't know if this is a common problem or if its just me, but I get a lot of buyers who will agree to an offer, open the trade window, and then submit a price lower than the agreed upon offer. Then when I correct them, they try haggle for a lower price. Usually it goes something like this:

Me: WTS something for 20k
Buyer: I'll buy it.
*Buyer opens trade window, submits 15k*
Me:The price was 20k.
Buyer: Oh, well I only have 15k.
*I close trade window*
Buyer: OMG, fine I will pay 17.5k.

This is incredibly annoying to me. Sometimes the other player's lower offer is reasonable, and I probably would have accepted it if we hadn't already agreed on a price and opened the trade window. After this sort of silliness, though, I generally refuse to trade with that person (unless it seems like it was a legitimate mistake, which we all make sometimes).

BuD · Jul 01, 2010, 02:24 PM // 14:24

It irritates me when I see someone totally low balling the trade chat trying to take advantage of someone/anyone that has no idea what the worth of some items are...

WTB Red Rock Candies 100g ea

I guess all is fair in trading in GW, it still disgusts me though >.<

system.fan · Jul 01, 2010, 05:31 PM // 17:31

Gaaawd just remembered another thing when i was in Kamadan:

You offer something and got EVERYTHING the ppl have to know in your add....
And then always those stupid question: "can i see?'... and you know he will never buy it lol

if you say ok and show him the sword.... he looks at it for like 10minutes, then stops trade and doesnt say any word.
if yoi say something like "no, i told u all you have to know" you get answers like.... fu noob, or they start trading you all the time like they don't understand what no means...

jimbo32 · Jul 01, 2010, 05:51 PM // 17:51

I think I've detected a pattern with that sort of thing, system.fan.

The people who say "show" or "show staff" or whatever *never* buy anything (in my experience anyway). But if someone says "can I please see the sword?" (or something equally sensible), they are generally buyers - although sometimes your item isn't exactly what they're looking for.

Depending on my mood, if someone whispers "show", I'll sometimes reply with "a please would be nice". That usually results in either flaming or silence, but they're just time-wasters anyway. My friend who sells cars calls people like that "Tire-kickers" - no intention whatsoever of buying, but they have no problems with wasting people's time.