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Magezi · Nov 07, 2010, 08:54 PM // 20:54

Hello,

I was wondering about the honesty of you traders out there.
Do u lie if you get a nice trade out of it?
For example: "This purple Crystalline sword is one of the rarest swords ingame, it doesn't drop anymore, I got it from a chest 4 years ago!!!" etc.etc.

Or even: this frozen ecto will defreeze after the event etcetc. ?!!

Plz tell me ur opinions, I, for myself, would lie to others, however, I wouldn't scam them, like the frozen ecto scam.

Greetings
Magezi

Gabriel of Ravn · Nov 07, 2010, 09:21 PM // 21:21

Unless you're a really bad trader no need to lie.

drkn · Nov 07, 2010, 09:46 PM // 21:46

I don't enlighten the seller about the real market value of their good they're selling to me. This way i bought an unded Grawl for 7k a year ago, sold for 250e the same evening.
Never had to lie per se, just 'hid the truth'. But that's what trading in MMOs is about, ain't it?

LicensedLuny · Nov 07, 2010, 09:59 PM // 21:59

I wouldn't lie to anyone like what you describe, no. I'll offer a price and stick to it or haggle, depending on the item. I have no problems with the concept of "buy low/sell high," and I'm not above seizing the opportunity if I see someone offering a price that I know is a great deal.

But intentionally trying to mislead someone about the rarity/value of something is an incredibly shitty thing to do in my opinion. I'd have trouble doing that for real money. I'm certainly not going to do that for some pixels in a video game.

EDIT - I'd have thought this was common knowledge, but perhaps it's worth mentioning here. If you need more incentive to not lie like what's described in the OP, consider this. There's a good chance that the people you try to convince to overpay with the BS story about how rare your item is will know it's BS. From that point on, they know you to be the sort who

finds pixels in a video game more important than dealing straight with folks, and/or
may not really have much clue about gear in this game.

Congratulations, you've just made it onto someone's do-not-trade list or made yourself the future target of more convincing, better educated BS down the road.
Not worth it!

jimbo32 · Nov 07, 2010, 10:11 PM // 22:11

Agree with Luny completely. It's the reason why I started this thread here originally, although it quickly devolved into a "stuff I hate about trading" thing.

Anyone who descends to such nonsense as lying about item rarity or whatever is scamming in my opinion. I know that some people will insist that "let the buyer beware" should be the first general rule of GW trades, but I think that misleading fellow players just to earn a few extra plat should be a ban-able offense. It's not much different than the ever-popular snowflake scam.

However, buying at the sellers advertised price (or the inverse - selling at the buyers price) is a different matter completely. There's no misinformation provided on either side of the trade, so I don't see anything wrong with it. Sometimes, people just want to get rid of stuff in a hurry (or buy something RIGHT NOW!), and taking advantage of that mindset is perfectly ok.

Internetuser · Nov 08, 2010, 01:25 AM // 01:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabriel of Ravn

Unless you're a really bad trader no need to lie.

This.

Or people with no knowledge of what they're selling.

Examples include bad req8 weapons

Hobbs · Nov 08, 2010, 01:58 AM // 01:58

I wouldn't lie but I have no problem with taking advantage of someone who is misinformed. I bought around 25 minis recently to fill my HoM and I paid well below market price for virtually all of them by just waiting for low WTS messages in Party Search.

However, while buying pumpkin cookies this week a told a guy that his spammable sweets were worth more than the 100g I was offering for cookies but he still insisted on selling me a few stacks of corn and apples at 100g each. Some people are seemingly willing to be parted with their money.

**Marty Silverblade** · Nov 08, 2010, 02:08 AM // 02:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magezi

Hello,

I was wondering about the honesty of you traders out there.
Do u lie if you get a nice trade out of it?
For example: "This purple Crystalline sword is one of the rarest swords ingame, it doesn't drop anymore, I got it from a chest 4 years ago!!!" etc.etc.

Or even: this frozen ecto will defreeze after the event etcetc. ?!!

Plz tell me ur opinions, I, for myself, would lie to others, however, I wouldn't scam them, like the frozen ecto scam.

Greetings
Magezi

How is this not scamming? You're deliberately giving away false information in order to manipulate other people. Lying IS scamming, at least in this circumstance.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbo32

However, buying at the sellers advertised price (or the inverse - selling at the buyers price) is a different matter completely. There's no misinformation provided on either side of the trade, so I don't see anything wrong with it.

Agreed with this. There is a difference between both parties being happy on a price, regardless of what it is, and scamming someone. Sure, telling someone that black dyes are worth more than 100g makes you a good person, but not telling them doesn't make you a bad person.

End · Nov 08, 2010, 02:14 AM // 02:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by LicensedLuny

But intentionally trying to mislead someone about the rarity/value of something is an incredibly shitty thing to do in my opinion. I'd have trouble doing that for real money. I'm certainly not going to do that for some pixels in a video game.

Mostly agreed...I have an odd set of morals though. While you would consider it worse to lie to gian money in real life. I would consider that as a more real reason to lie thus I have no problem lying to increase real wealth.
In-game though...I think of it as I am lying for something that really dosen't exist so theres really no way for me to justify lying to myself.

I know aren't I horrible?

superraptors · Nov 08, 2010, 04:21 AM // 04:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by LicensedLuny

I wouldn't lie to anyone like what you describe, no. I'll offer a price and stick to it or haggle, depending on the item. I have no problems with the concept of "buy low/sell high," and I'm not above seizing the opportunity if I see someone offering a price that I know is a great deal.

But intentionally trying to mislead someone about the rarity/value of something is an incredibly shitty thing to do in my opinion. I'd have trouble doing that for real money. I'm certainly not going to do that for some pixels in a video game.

EDIT - I'd have thought this was common knowledge, but perhaps it's worth mentioning here. If you need more incentive to not lie like what's described in the OP, consider this. There's a good chance that the people you try to convince to overpay with the BS story about how rare your item is will know it's BS. From that point on, they know you to be the sort who

finds pixels in a video game more important than dealing straight with folks, and/or
may not really have much clue about gear in this game.

Congratulations, you've just made it onto someone's do-not-trade list or made yourself the future target of more convincing, better educated BS down the road.
Not worth it!

right on the ball

Pleikki · Nov 08, 2010, 05:22 AM // 05:22

I'll also completely agree with luny.,..

dansamy · Nov 08, 2010, 07:53 AM // 07:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hobbs

I wouldn't lie but I have no problem with taking advantage of someone who is misinformed. I bought around 25 minis recently to fill my HoM and I paid well below market price for virtually all of them by just waiting for low WTS messages in Party Search.

However, while buying pumpkin cookies this week a told a guy that his spammable sweets were worth more than the 100g I was offering for cookies but he still insisted on selling me a few stacks of corn and apples at 100g each. Some people are seemingly willing to be parted with their money.

I've had minis hanging around for so long that I undercut what I saw other players asking so that I could be assured of fast trades. I made 300k+ in one evening dumping minis from across the years.

SkyFallsInThunder · Nov 08, 2010, 08:57 AM // 08:57

I have to agree with Luny, too.

A rather funny story, I met someone in-game who likes to scam people, but he did the most stupid and pointless scam I have ever heard of: when zkeys were still some 4.5k, he was buying them one by one and offering in the trade window 4.005 gold instead of 4.500 gold. And then he would spend time selling them for 5k/each. And he was very proud of getting away with it all, as only like 1 in 10 people ever whisped him back to complain. How awesome is that!?

Sethellington · Nov 08, 2010, 10:13 AM // 10:13

I don't tend to correct people if they're wrong let's put it that way. Someone shouts "WTS: Destroyer Curses Wand", I whisp "How much?", he replies "15k", I'm not gonna tell him it's currently worth aroudn 5x that. But I won't lie outright.

Rushin Roulette · Nov 08, 2010, 11:15 AM // 11:15

I would not lie while trading, I however like to haggle prices.

When selling I will intentionally post a WTS at a high price and Whisper an intentionally low price while buying.

If I can buy at the lowball price all the better (however I do prefere a good haggle), If I get a reply on the lines of "LMAO noob" then I know its not worth my time, effort and patience to trade with that idiot.

The best scenario for me personally is if the buyer or seller actively haggles the price with me (even considering scenario 1 where I get the sought after item for a lowball price). In the end its just 2 people trading pixels for pixels, so I value the interaction over the pixels.

I do however like to scam scammers or waste their time though. My favorite one is the one who buys ectos and cancles trades so often that you dont look at the price he is posting after a while... I always look at the amount he is paying and only put in the items after the funds have been entered.

i. E. the scammer puts in 10K instead of 100K for 15 ectos, I put in 15 Muursat Tokekns. In the end the scammer is scammed and I have to farm 15 tokens for the next scammer who comes along and tries that trick.
Please also note, if the buyer puts in 100K in trade I will never put in Tokens, I will put in Ectos, so I only intentionaly scam the scammers.

novawhiz · Nov 08, 2010, 12:07 PM // 12:07

'powertrading' is often just a euphemism for scamming.

How is trading an EL henchy tonic worth some 2ke+ for a salvage kit any different from selling Frozen Ecto or a crap purple for a lot.

The buyer/seller doesn't know its worth so its their fault right?

Rushin Roulette · Nov 08, 2010, 01:20 PM // 13:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by novawhiz

'powertrading' is often just a euphemism for scamming.

How is trading an EL henchy tonic worth some 2ke+ for a salvage kit any different from selling Frozen Ecto or a crap purple for a lot.

If your reffering to a post in the best deals thread, then I do beleive the seller and buyer both had the same notion of the worth of the tonics and Ectos... they were both the same person trading from main to Mule account. The post was meant as a joke as most should have seen by the smileys and comment below the pic

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Pleikki · Nov 08, 2010, 01:27 PM // 13:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by novawhiz

'powertrading' is often just a euphemism for scamming.

How is trading an EL henchy tonic worth some 2ke+ for a salvage kit any different from selling Frozen Ecto or a crap purple for a lot.

The buyer/seller doesn't know its worth so its their fault right?

Well if u think guy rly scammed the henchy he posted on other topic its just mates lending to eachother and posted that for lulz ^^

Hobbs · Nov 08, 2010, 10:18 PM // 22:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by dansamy

I've had minis hanging around for so long that I undercut what I saw other players asking so that I could be assured of fast trades. I made 300k+ in one evening dumping minis from across the years.

There's undercutting the market and then there's selling 2 fourth year whites and a fourth year purple for a total of 12k.

Roen · Nov 08, 2010, 10:37 PM // 22:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by drkn

I don't enlighten the seller about the real market value of their good they're selling to me. This way i bought an unded Grawl for 7k a year ago, sold for 250e the same evening.
Never had to lie per se, just 'hid the truth'. But that's what trading in MMOs is about, ain't it?

Personally, I would not even do this. It's taking advantage and akin to stealing imho. But I mean it's still a game and not that big of a deal so don't take it to mean that I'm coming down on you at all. I'm just saying I don't have the personality to be a good trader. I am so much more interested in educating and helping other players. Which is probably why by most standards I'm dirt poor in game.

I don't trade much but if I were in a trade and somebody said they'd take 7k for something I knew was worth an obscenely large sum over that, I'd tell them. "Dude, that's worth a ton more than 7k. I'll give you X for it instead." Where X is something I think is fair but below what I know I can sell it for at a tidy profit.

If I told somebody, "That's worth a LOT more..." and they said, "whatever, I don't care" then I'd say tyvm and happily give 'em the 7k.