Curse

expugnare · Dec 09, 2014, 08:42 PM // 20:42

Handler, I'd agree except for the part that people are using deception to overvalue items, like the 10/10 Sword mod in question. Saying something will never appear in the game again is quite different than saying it comes from an obscure and relatively tedious quest.

That is pretty close to fraud.

Complaining about overpricing items that are able to drop but "rare" like Inscr BDS, Frogs, etc. is a very different story, as those are a factor of demand. With those the demand is very high and the supply is limited. The supply of 10/10 Sword Sunderings is potentially unlimited. I think most people have a problem with people willingly obfuscating the truth about an item that's relatively simple to obtain.

As far as overpricing things like Minis and what not, I think the market fixes those problems by itself. Eventually no one will buy it and the seller will reduce their price; or, in the alternative, the seller keeps it.

If that isn't the case, someone buys it, gets their mini and moves on. Perhaps they overpayed, but they still got what they wanted. I know as a collector I'm relatively uncompromising and impatient about what I want, and it has led me to pay a lot more than what an item is worth sometimes. Is this annoying? Sure, but I wouldn't go back and trade for that same amount of cash.

Fundamentally prices come down to what a seller in willing to sell for, and what a buyer is willing to buy for. There's not much else to it. But in a special instance like these sword mods, there is a factor of duplicity that isn't as obvious relevant as in the other examples. Because of this, there is a strong gut reaction against it, and, moreover, a legitimate ethical ethical responsibility as members of Guru to warn people, which we have probably covered by making this thread.

Anyway, people are getting mad over video games too much imo. I've been yelled at enough in the past week regarding items that it almost makes me want to go back into retirement. Why not just live and let live? At the end of the day a person's reputation is what matters, and if you don't like a trader you're under no obligation to trade with them anyway. At the end of the day the items are just pixels--the cool thing this game and guru offers is a community of interested folks with which to geek out over said cool pixels.

Cheers,

Yuko

Händler · Dec 10, 2014, 12:23 AM // 00:23

well its always sth different if ur in kama n someone asks u about an item and u tell him some fancy made up stories for hours just to make him buy ur overpriced item.
But I think in general if u have listed sth on ur guru thread and u have a b/o price there for it, this doesnt rly say "oh that item sure is worth that much" it basically only says "I (the Threadowner) have this item here and chances are very very high that Id let it go for that listed price" ... Nothing else rly. So in the end its still up to the buyer what he then does with this information. If hes intelligent he tries to get informations about any item he (for whatever reasons) wants to buy, so if he finds an item he wants and the listed price is way more than he expected or is willing to pay he can just pm the seller and try to negotiate or just move on to another thread.

Negotiation how it prolly would go in the 10/10 case:

Buyer: Dear Seller, why are u listing a 10/10 mod in ur thread for 100e (or more)? Dont u know u can get it in a quest? Considering that fact, would u be willing to lower ur price?

Seller: Possibility 1: Dear Buyer, sry I didnt know that and I just rly want to sell it for a good price. Since I wasnt sure about the price I started high, but we sure can go from there and try to find a price that works for the both of us.

Seller: Possibility 2: Dear Buyer, I indeed knew about that, but I often need those kind of mods myself so Im not rly desperately tryin to sell here, just listed it in case someone needs one asap and cant find any other, so he at least then knows that I have one I could spare if the price was a bit higher than usual. I therefore recommend that u first look if u can find another seller who rly doesnt need the mod and would let it go for less.

Example of fraud for the same case would be:

Buyer: Dear Seller, u listed a 10/10 sword mod on ur thread with a seemingly high price of 100e. Why are u asking that much for it?

Seller: Well its totally worth that much, cuz its a rare prenerf Mod that cant drop anymore u will not find many others of its kind. U should be glad that Im not asking more for it.

Case closed

expugnare · Dec 10, 2014, 02:20 AM // 02:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Händler

Buyer: Dear Seller, u listed a 10/10 sword mod on ur thread with a seemingly high price of 100e. Why are u asking that much for it?

Seller: Well its totally worth that much, cuz its a rare prenerf Mod that cant drop anymore u will not find many others of its kind. U should be glad that Im not asking more for it.

Case closed

That's exactly what I'm talking about. ;D