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MaxBorken · May 24, 2014, 05:34 PM // 17:34

So , these may be stupid questions, but I'm going to ask anyway.

When did the items we now consider to be prenerf stop dropping? Gold 13^50 or purple 11/stance, or -2-2 shields for example.

And what was the change that they made? (Apart from stopping them dropping)

There must have been more than one change. What were they? I have seen historic shields with 'received damage -2' instead of the 'received physical damage -2' we're used to.

Dates would be handy if anyone knows please

Thanks,

Max

The Mountain · May 24, 2014, 06:56 PM // 18:56

I have always been interested, too, although almost all I know is that most of these changes happened before the Sorrow's update.

To add another specific question for anyone who does have records of such things, when did purple weapons cease containing the dmg%/-5nrg mods?

tooburns · May 24, 2014, 09:27 PM // 21:27

i would like to know to, i did tcheck on wiki once to see all patch note but never found anything weapon mods related, maybe i should tcheck again more carefully

Yawgmoth · Jun 01, 2014, 12:08 PM // 12:08

26th April 2006 update (Factions release) has increased the minimums on variable mod ranges on purple and gold drops. Since then gold weapons couldn't drop with like +13% dmg or purples with +11% or gold shields with low +hp like +24, etc.

I think it was also this same update that made dual reduction shields stop dropping. It could have been a bit earlier, but not earlier than 3rd March 2006. It could NOT have been later than 26th April.

carnage-runner · Jun 01, 2014, 06:05 PM // 18:05

Yawg's right. And there was a second nerf shortly into factions that removed max r7's and then another nerf just before NF that reduced max r8's from chests. ( I believe it removed certain r8's from chests as well) Are there any dual neg factions skins shields? I can't remember anymore... :S

MaxBorken · Jun 01, 2014, 06:23 PM // 18:23

This is precisely what I was hoping for gentlemen. Good work, thank you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by carnage-runner

Are there any dual neg factions skins shields? I can't remember anymore... :S

As the owner of 42 dual reduction shields, I can say with 100% certainty that I am qualified to say that there are no factions skins. Prophecies skins only. You can see them in the collectors thread recently posted on page 59

EDIT...
About 60 dual reductions, and several r7 max swords etc now. On page 65 and 67.
Greets,

Max

Cleavage · Jun 02, 2014, 03:13 AM // 03:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaxBorken

This is precisely what I was hoping for gentlemen. Good work, thank you.

As the owner of 42 dual reduction shields, I can say with 100% certainty that I am qualified to say that there are no factions skins. Prophecies skins only. You can see them in the collectors thread recently posted on page 59

Greets,

Max

Dual Redux to my knowledge was before the release of Factions. Yep

MaxBorken · Dec 30, 2014, 09:15 AM // 09:15

Im reviving this a little because of a conversation last night, and also after the recent controversy surrounding salvagable mode being prenerf or farmed. (And overpriced accordingly)

Can anybody definitively say which salvageable mods are truly prenerf (ie cannot drop any more), and what the ranges of those mods are?

For each weapon type. Sword and axe I know about, but it's staves, hammers, bows etc.

Also, mods like +37/ hexed on shields can still drop. But I presume that it's considered prenerf on gold or purple shields only? Does anybody have that info too?

Max

Pleikki · Dec 30, 2014, 09:29 AM // 09:29

Erhm, yeah so Blue items can have really low salvageable drops, but well noneone rly keeps em so im not sure even which still drop or not, ive allways though Staff wraps +1attri/10 is nerfed, and all below 10, Eventho heard they would still drop but never seen or heard from where. same with 10% Enchant mod for staff.

On other weapon types, also the 1/10 mods i belive are nerfed and below that (not 100% sure!) and enchants, 10% and below, But i think other do drop, except for the sundering ofcourse..
Shields and wands only come "non inscri" thinking the "Pre nerf times" so i wouldnt compare insc vs non insc shields at all

IF someone here has greater knowledge on this, and knows if some of those 1/10 or 10ench mods comes from collector/quest items, or drop from blue weapons etc, please share the knowledge

Edit@ so yea max, as u say u know about sword/axes, i think the same mods goes for each weapon type, atleast i dont know reason why wouldnt hammers/bows have same nerfed and not nerfed mods as others

also on shields, Purple shields can have really low hp mods, atleast it can go down as 30/st and 30/ench, not sure on hex. i cant think any other purple shield being "prenerf" then dual reduction or one with 3/xx mod, atleast proven to be

Zephyr of Light · Dec 30, 2014, 01:24 PM // 13:24

To hop into it.
I know there is a 10% ench available in pre from a quest reward axe. (salvageable)

The quest is right outside Fort Ranik (pre) from a woman that asks u too retrieve a basket of apples.

Edit : i think making a list of salvageable "pre-nerf" mods that are still obtainable will clear out the fog surrounding this subject.
Same goes for placing a "pre nerf" shield next to a shield with just low stats...

take_me · Dec 30, 2014, 02:55 PM // 14:55

What about Staves that don't have a fixed HSR-mod ?

Also, I have a req 8 Restoration Celestial Staff (pre-nerf). When did that attribute get removed ?

Pleikki · Dec 30, 2014, 03:38 PM // 15:38

The restoration was removed at same with rhe pre/post nerf change. Dont know exacly the date but i belive it was 2-3months after fact release

MaxBorken · Dec 30, 2014, 04:23 PM // 16:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zephyr of Light

Edit : i think making a list ..... will clear out the fog surrounding this subject

I think that is a great idea. I hereby decree that a list shall be made by our contributions. We should do copy/paste additions so that the last post always contains the up to date list. It could be tricky if people add things they believe to be prenerf, but in fact aren't, so stick to the certainties please.

If it's successful, perhaps a mod can make it a sticky? I can see it getting out if hand in this thread, so I'll start another one later exclusively for listing stat ranges we know to only be prenerf, including whether it's gold, purple, blue or white.

Examples being:
Any weapon in r7 with max damage regardless of mods
Any shield in r7 with 16 armour regardless of mods
Any shield with two inherent [reduces physical damage received by X] mods
Any staff with a restoration requirement
Any sundering sword hilt of 10/9% or lower (10/10 is still available)
Any GOLD weapon with +13%[condition] or lower inherent mod
Any purple weapon with +11%[condition]
Any purple weapon with +xx%/-5 energy, +xx%/-10 armour or +xx%/-1[energy or health] regen
Any weapon with an unconditional inherent damage mod, eg. [+14% damage] with no negatives
Any GOLD non-inscribable Crystalline sword
Any r8 staff with max (11-22) damage
Any GOLD Non-inscribable Dwarven Axe
Any staff whose HSR mod is not written in white text
Any shield with a non max -5(20%) mod (these only come -5/20 or -5/19% now). For example -4(19%).
Any shield with a [received physical damage -3(10%)] mod. (including non-max mods)
Any shield with a +8 armour or lower vs damage type mod. For example +8 armour vs slashing
Any sword pommel with +25% damage vs Charr
Any shield with a -2/hexed mod. (These only come -3/hexed now)
Any shield with a -1/enchanted or -1/stance mod. (These only come -2 now)

Etc

Add more if you can think of them, and I'll collate them into a new thread later.

Max

Pleikki · Dec 30, 2014, 04:27 PM // 16:27

Purple weapons with 11% and purples with xx/-5, xx/-10, xx/-1 weapon mods. And purplr inscriable crystalline swords for purples id say

take_me · Dec 31, 2014, 01:01 PM // 13:01

At which point were non-max Crystalline Swords removed from the drop pool or the Fire Staff with the Dead Staff skin ? Might all have been the same update.

O O O Yoji O O O · Jan 01, 2015, 06:18 PM // 18:18

K , here its all the nerfed weapons/items i know about:

Triples( mausoleum 2010 halloween):
3 New Triples:

THE SCREENS(proofs):

...

pre-nerf mods:

pre-nerf shields:

i do also own like 10-15 non-inscr spears, 1 scythe(from mausoleum)

As u requested.. sry it took so long xD

Pleikki · Jan 01, 2015, 07:03 PM // 19:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by take_me

At which point were non-max Crystalline Swords removed from the drop pool or the Fire Staff with the Dead Staff skin ? Might all have been the same update.

I allways though non max crystas came from keyless chest so they were removed at same as the chest but after that max ones still came hoh chest. No idea on fire/water stafffs with dead skin

Also max purple shields still can have 8armor vs someting and -2hex mods so those should be for any gold shields only
Also blue shields can have -1 mods
think same goes for 5/20's, you can get lower in purples

Also Gold Swamp clubs,dwarven hammers and tyrian serpent axes, (krytan axes?) non inscriable.

Purple non inscriable crystallines, dwarvens, serpents, krytans etc still are avaible tho from reward chests

also, you still can get Clean "non inscriable" crystas and dwarvens! so kind of non insc ones still avaible!

The Mountain · Jan 01, 2015, 08:37 PM // 20:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleikki

Purple weapons with 11%

I'm actually pretty sure purples can no longer drop with 12% either.

Keep in mind, the "other" dmg mods that have a max of 20%. I am quite sure they only drop in 19/20 now, so any 15-18 (below 50 or while hexed) are also in the nerfed class.

Vizi · Jan 01, 2015, 10:14 PM // 22:14

A lot has been said concerning mods and inherent, I have myself tons of prenerf weapons in case you need some example.
Though prenerf items are missing from the list, here's a small list :
-Costumized miniatures
-Zaishen Medaillons
-Naga Fangs
-Jade Wind Orbs
-Old runes : +2/-50HP purple runes, blue superior runes -> nerf was not long after Faction release so there are a few ones from Faction, there are extremely rare though.
-Old version of Worth's Holy Rod (q9 Smiting 20/20 Prot)

Pleikki · Jan 02, 2015, 06:10 AM // 06:10

Yeah also gold staffs only come now xx/9-10hct all or xx/19-20? So hct below those are neerfed? Same goes fot wands right? And more on blues hod axe sword hammet bow etc

and mixed dyes