Curse

Pleikki · Jan 21, 2015, 04:12 AM // 04:12

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Originally Posted by cosyfiep

I dont think resto wands are pre-nerf, pretty dang sure I got this one in the last few years...

Yeah it kinda got wrong, so restoration wands and staffs do drop, But the attritube was removed from cantha Universal staffs, like Platinum, Dragon, Celestial, Forbidden, Plagueborn, Bo, jade, Amber, Outcast, Zodiac

So from those skin staffs And Wands/scepters Restoration is nerfed! And other universal ones aswell, like wayward

**cosyfiep** · Jan 21, 2015, 06:47 AM // 06:47

so factions skins will not have the resto requirement. Makes more sense.

capitalist · Feb 16, 2015, 12:46 AM // 00:46

This is another one of the weird quest nerfs

MaxBorken · Jul 23, 2015, 03:20 PM // 15:20

Bumping this up as there's a discussion on Facebook which refers to this thread. So I'm making it easier to find this thread.

Max

carnage-runner · Aug 16, 2015, 12:16 AM // 00:16

Max damage R8 Golds out of chests. (might only be martial weapons) Someone I think proved me wrong once but I never saw a screenshot. 1000 lockpicks got me 0 and I remember it killed FoW chest runs years ago.

system.fan · Aug 16, 2015, 12:56 AM // 00:56

@carnage: not sure if your sentence was a question but:

You can still get Req8 Gold Max Items (Swords, Shields, Offhands only tho) from 450gold Chests (for canthan / kournan chests I'm 100% sure) ;-)
Check out the chestrunning thread... I posted screenshots of some req8 max pongmei valley drops theres somewhere on one of the last 10 pages

/Edit:

did the work for you:

Think I also have some screenshots of the drops still laying on the ground aswell as one of a q8 max sword drop lately, but can't find those atm....
Hope the screenshot above is prove enough - took it like half a year ago (used ~750-1000 lockpicks to get those drops)

carnage-runner · Aug 30, 2015, 08:29 PM // 20:29

God damn. That's a lot of r8 max stats. Anything turn out to be nice? (GotH, Paper, Broad-1)

I'm trying to think of anything else. There were some goofy prenerf things that used to be around.

I see no mention of old nerfed runes. Anyone remember when that happened? I've still got 1 or 2.

Pleikki · Aug 31, 2015, 03:31 AM // 03:31

Well the runes are still around the old ones and nothing special on em

Some rarer and some more common but not much market for em :P

Think almost everyone has a few D;

Zephyr of Light · Nov 27, 2015, 02:46 PM // 14:46

So just to clarify it for myself as I have a hard time to truely understand this matter..

Pleikki sold a q8/16 shield (possibly post nerf to me, could be pre-2007) with a +25hp mod, and a max secondairy mod.

Its stated to be called pre-nerf, but what makes it pre-nerf?
The +25hp to me does ring a Bell but im not entirely sure that that makes it pre-nerf as post nerf variables go from 10-30hp (blue, Purple, gold Rarity).

Imy had a plague if i recall correctly with a similar "low" hp while Hexed but was still "post nerf"

I assume myself that +10-20 comes on blues, 21-27 on purples and 27-30's on golds.. But since every rarity has a huge chance to yield a mod variable fitting to other raritys (like a purple shield still being able to generate a max mod, like -20% something, and a gold +40hp^ench stance) its still somewhat confusing to me..

So if anyone is able to explain or show me what mods fit in a certain quallity I can get more understanding of how those are appraised as either post or pre-nerf.

(i have a general idea of what makes things pre-nerf, but when it close on the edge of what I think still is able to be generated it gets confusing to me to being able to judge and place such item in its respective catagory).

Pleikki · Nov 27, 2015, 03:24 PM // 15:24

Zeph. Gold shields drop 27-30hp, purple 20-27/8(not 100% sure which is it for purple) and blue 10-2x Nowaday. any below those lines is prenerf.

Imys plagueborn was purple with 24hp

For stance ench mods golds drop 41-45 purples 30-41/2(not 100% sure which is it for purple) and blue idk

With other mods. like 5/20

Gold drops 5/19-20 Purple 4/5-15-18) i think

for Attri mods etc they drop on golds lowest 19% and below that is prenerf

Purple/blue prenerfs are so rare almost not excisting its hard to say what was even possible, and there been never rly for sale those so i dont think it matters either.

But zeph the pre/post nerf was also made before fact release. so there arent fact skin prenerfs like plagueborn in imys case

MaxBorken · Nov 27, 2015, 03:28 PM // 15:28

The numbers are in my original post. It says there which mods cannot drop any more for each colour.

And yea, Imy's was 24hp and purple.
The gold shield you bought is indeed pre-nerf, as +25 cannot drop any more on a gold shield.

Max

trademeimfamous · Nov 27, 2015, 04:46 PM // 16:46

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Originally Posted by Pleikki

purple 20-27/8(not 100% sure which is it for purple)

i'm pretty sure purple shields can have up to 28hp permanent health, don't have a screenshot right now to back this up tho

Rushin Roulette · Nov 27, 2015, 04:49 PM // 16:49

Lets say it this way. As far as I know, the HP Mods with +30HP were possible pre-nref, so a low req. shield with +30HP could have dropped before the change in the coding, however there is no way of proving that it is really pre-nerf item and no way of distinguishing it from a post-nerf shield with the same stats-
A shield with the stats r8/16 is only 100% proven to be prenerf if it follows the rules stated above (gold +25HP or lower, etc...).

Thats a very nice sum-up you have there Max. Well done btw.

MaxBorken · Nov 27, 2015, 05:15 PM // 17:15

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Originally Posted by trademeimfamous

i'm pretty sure purple shields can have up to 28hp permanent health, don't have a screenshot right now to back this up tho

Ooh, if someone can get proof, I'll update the OP

Thanks Rushin, coming from a specialist such as yourself, that means a lot

Max

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Originally Posted by Pleikki

But zeph the pre/post nerf was also made before fact release. so there arent fact skin prenerfs like plagueborn in imys case

The nerf was just after factions was released, I think. 7/16 plagueborn shields exist. (Don't you have one for sale at the moment, Ikki?). Also r7 max Canthan swords exist too.

Max

Zephyr of Light · Nov 27, 2015, 05:32 PM // 17:32

Thanks for the heads up guys, and even after checking the first page (like i should in the first place inb4 posting) it seems about right with anything +25hp and below is considered pre nerf.

It was just such a close call that I had a slight doubt from personal knowledge about pre-nerfs.

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Originally Posted by Rushin Roulette

however there is no way of proving that it is really pre-nerf item and no way of distinguishing it from a post-nerf shield with the same stats.

Good that you point this out, to come back on this I wonder if any gold (non Inscrip / non inherent) crystalline is considered pre-nerf, and or if they still have a slight chance of being generated by the UW/FoW and or Zchest.

I myself used to have a Req 9 and 11 (currently only got a Req 8), but since I also have some pretty "rare" non inscriptable EoTN and NF items, i wonder if someone can still prove said item (crysta) came from the pre-factions era.
Or if its something that still could happen to this day.

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Originally Posted by trademeimfamous

i'm pretty sure purple shields can have up to 28hp permanent health, don't have a screenshot right now to back this up tho

Pretty sure iv had seen this aswell couple years back, but post factions for sure.

Pleikki · Nov 27, 2015, 05:56 PM // 17:56

+26hp is also prenerf. But Max i ment abou the non max mods. not req like q7 items..

Ie. the change that made those mod ranges was way before the update that removed q7 drops.

you should know since same update removed dual reductions. since there arent canthan dual reds

MaxBorken · Nov 27, 2015, 05:58 PM // 17:58

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Originally Posted by Pleikki

+26hp is also prenerf. But Max i ment abou the non max mods. not req like q7 items..

Ie. the change that made those mod ranges was way before the update that removed q7 drops.

you should know since same update removed dual reductions. since there arent canthan dual reds

Gotcha.......

Pleikki · Nov 27, 2015, 06:27 PM // 18:27

Cus i dont call q7 prenerf for same reasons as q8.. since techically all q8 hammer axe etc are too "prenerf" but its simpler for most and generally used just call the mods prenerf not reqs of weapons