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MaxBorken · Jan 18, 2015, 08:22 PM // 20:22

The Greetings Gurus.

I thought it might be helpful to collate a list of stats we know to be Pre-Nerf.

An item is considered Pre-Nerf if it cannnot drop any more. In other words, the possibility of the game generating these stats or items has been physically removed by the coders at Anet, mainly 2005/2006 around the release of Factions. The only way to acquire Pre-Nerf items is through trading with other players.

This is a list of items which in my opinion are truly Pre-Nerf (and the purpose of this thread is to confirm and add/remove stat ranges in order to establish a definitive list). I haven't included Triple Modded items or Mausoleum items because those are considered bugged, not Pre-Nerf.

These are known to be Pre-Nerf:

Any weapons
- Any weapon in r7 with max damage regardless of mods
- Any FACTIONS staff with a restoration requirement
- Any FACTIONS wand with a restoration requirement
- Any r8 staff with max (11-22) damage
- Any weapon with an unconditional inherent damage mod, eg. +14% damage with no negatives
- Any GOLD staff with a requirement of 0
- Any staff whose HSR mod is written in GOLD text.

Any Shields
- Any shield in r7 with 16 armour regardless of mods
- Any shield with two inherent [reduces physical damage received by X] mods (aka Dual Reduction).
- Any shield with a [received physical damage -3(10%)] mod. (including non-max mods)

Gold Shields
- Any GOLD shield with a -2/hexed mod. (These only come -3/hexed now)
- Any GOLD shield with a -1/enchanted or -1/stance mod. (These only come -2 now)
- Any GOLD shield with a +40/[stance or enchanted] or lower inherent mod.
- Any GOLD shield with a +8 armour or lower vs damage type mod. For example +8 armour vs slashing
- Any GOLD shield with a +26hp or lower inherent mod.
- Any GOLD shield with a non max -5(20%) mod (these only come -5/20 or -5/19% now). For example -4(19%).

Purple Shields
- Any PURPLE shield with a +19hp or lower inherent mod.
- Any PURPLE shield with a +29/[stance or enchanted] or lower inherent mod.

GOLD weapons
- Any GOLD Non-inscribable weapon with +13%[condition] or lower inherent mod
- Any GOLD Non-inscribable weapon with +18%[while Hexed] or lower inherrent mod
- Any GOLD Non-inscribable weapons with +18%[below 50%] or lower inherrent mod

Purple Weapons
- Any PURPLE Non-inscribable weapon with +11 or 12%[condition]
- Any PURPLE Non-inscribable weapon with +xx%/-5 energy, +xx%/-10 armour or +xx%/-1[energy or health] regen

Specific skins
- Any GOLD non-inscribable Crystalline sword
- Any GOLD Non-inscribable Dwarven Axe
- Any GOLD Non-inscribable Dwarven Hammer
- Any GOLD Non-Inscribable Krytan Axe
- Any Swamp Club
- Any Non-inscribable Serpent Axe (Tyrian Skin only)
- Any Fire Staff with the Dead Staff skin only
- Any Water Staff with the Dead Staff skin only
- The Henge of Denravi sword - http://guildwiki.gamepedia.com/Denravi_Sword

Weapons Mods
- Any sundering weapon mod of 10/9% or lower (10/10 sword mod is still available)
- Any weapon mod with +25% damage vs Charr

Runes

Miscellaneous
- Any Mixed dyes
- Jade Wind Orbs

Please feel free to add any more that I haven't got here. I'll update the top post as necessary.

@mods: Is this worth being stickied? I think so.

Max

Surge goes pre · Jan 18, 2015, 08:27 PM // 20:27

Nice list.

I would add: Any Swamp Club. Any uninsc Tyrian Serpent Axe.

Pleikki · Jan 18, 2015, 08:36 PM // 20:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surge goes pre

Nice list.

I would add: Any Swamp Club. Any uninsc Tyrian Serpent Axe.

And Dwarven hammer & Krytan axes also, And purples with 12% aswell, not just 11%

also most of the shields can drop those mods you listed in purples/blues, so in ANY GOLD theyre nerfed

also there are other then sword 25% vs charr mods, so well overall all 25% vs charr mods are nerfed

edit x5, also serpent axes tyrian also drops purple still, as well as krytan axes crystas dwarvens etc, so should be only gold versions are nerfed :P

also youve listed max q8 staffs being nerfed but its safe to say q8 axes, hammers, wands bows are also nerfed since there hasnt been confirmed drops in years

edit nro. xx Also wands with restoration requipment neither drop

and also Gold staffs with Req 0 are nerfed and only excist as prenerf as far as iknow (these used be quite a thing back in time havent seen any in years tho)

O O O Yoji O O O · Jan 18, 2015, 08:43 PM // 20:43

- Any sword pommel with +25% damage vs Charr ( includes 25% bow string, 25% hammer haft)
- Any sundering sword hilt of 10/9% or lower (10/10 is still available)(sundering mods from 10/9 down to 10/5 for axe, bow and hammer)
- also im prety damn sure there are vampiric mods like 1life drain -1hp regen( for axe bow hammer sword) and 2hp lifedrain-1hp regen. ( Xtreamly rare.. i only saw one and it was in pre-searing)

Pleikki · Jan 18, 2015, 08:59 PM // 20:59

Edited old post allready too many times. So 20% while hex or below 50% only drops 19-20% in golds so 15-18% are nerfed

EDIT. so i think the list should be made easyer to read with diff sections for gold prenerfs. Purples. Blues. And others like weapon mods. Runes dyes jade wind orbs etc.

Enchanted Krystal · Jan 18, 2015, 09:51 PM // 21:51

So, your thoughts on this?

take_me · Jan 18, 2015, 10:08 PM // 22:08

Fire Staves with Dead Staff skin don't drop anymore.

Cleavage · Jan 18, 2015, 10:21 PM // 22:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enchanted Krystal

http://i61.tinypic.com/2e5856v.jpg

So, your thoughts on this?

Merch :P

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system.fan · Jan 18, 2015, 10:40 PM // 22:40

- Any r8 staff with max (11-22) damage.... dont have to be prenerf!

i know of at least 4 req8 max dmg staves postnerf - meaning with inherent 20%hrt + individual mod under dmgmod.

peace

Zephyr of Light · Jan 18, 2015, 10:44 PM // 22:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaxBorken

These are known to be Pre-Nerf:

Any weapons
- Any staff with a restoration requirement
- Any wand with a restoration requirement

Shields
- Any shield with a -2/hexed mod. (These only come -3/hexed now)
- Any shield with a -1/enchanted or -1/stance mod. (These only come -2 now)
- Any shield with a +8 armour or lower vs damage type mod. For example +8 armour vs slashing

Specific skins
- Any GOLD Non-inscribable Dwarven Hammer
- Any GOLD Non-Inscribable Krytan Axe

Restoration Staffs, Offhands, and Wands are assumed to still drop in OS in Factions, they use Basic skins like Writhing Focus, and Restoration Rod, personally i had those dropped in Purple and Gold, but only in Nightfall and EoTN. |
Source : http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Categ...ualist_weapons

The only shields that still drop with -2^hex, -1^ench/stance, and +7AL are exclusively ONLY below Q6 in Purple, and ONLY in the following regions : All of Pre-Searing, Old Ascalon, Northern Shiverpeaks.
The level of these area's vary between 1-12 in general, may drop from local enemy's and chests.
Wiki Quote : "Values for variable bonuses are within the second highest quarter of their range, rounded up, which means that bonuses with narrow ranges can be found on purple items."

With the introduction of "Daily Quests" in Pre-Searing that can scale up enemys to level 14-18, increase the odds of gold drops, very beneficial for the Dwarven Hammer and the Krytan Axe, as its the only place where it still possibly can drop in Gold OS.

I'm pretty sure that Flint had such hammer for sale like 1-2 years ago for 90-135 Black Dye / 1:3 post ratio.

Edit : Flints Thread - http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/w...802&highlight=

The pre section shows gold OS weapons that dropped there, making it very plausible that Dwarven and Krytan may drop in Gold, and are not removed from the loot table.

Hope this contributes a little.
Z.

Qbit · Jan 19, 2015, 03:29 AM // 03:29

Zaishen Medallions
Naga Fangs
HoD Sword

=D

Pleikki · Jan 19, 2015, 04:52 AM // 04:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zephyr of Light

Restoration Staffs, Offhands, and Wands are assumed to still drop in OS in Factions, they use Basic skins like Writhing Focus, and Restoration Rod, personally i had those dropped in Purple and Gold, but only in Nightfall and EoTN. |
Source : http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Categ...ualist_weapons

The only shields that still drop with -2^hex, -1^ench/stance, and +7AL are exclusively ONLY below Q6 in Purple, and ONLY in the following regions : All of Pre-Searing, Old Ascalon, Northern Shiverpeaks.
The level of these area's vary between 1-12 in general, may drop from local enemy's and chests.
Wiki Quote : "Values for variable bonuses are within the second highest quarter of their range, rounded up, which means that bonuses with narrow ranges can be found on purple items."

With the introduction of "Daily Quests" in Pre-Searing that can scale up enemys to level 14-18, increase the odds of gold drops, very beneficial for the Dwarven Hammer and the Krytan Axe, as its the only place where it still possibly can drop in Gold OS.

I'm pretty sure that Flint had such hammer for sale like 1-2 years ago for 90-135 Black Dye / 1:3 post ratio.

Edit : Flints Thread - http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/w...802&highlight=

The pre section shows gold OS weapons that dropped there, making it very plausible that Dwarven and Krytan may drop in Gold, and are not removed from the loot table.

Hope this contributes a little.
Z.

Actually no. I just had max purple magmas shield lil ago with -2hex at same day while got the 30/-3 (images on other thread) and i get em alot while chesting

Also water staffs with dead staff skin, not just fire ones

Purples can have still 4/19 etc and 5/17 etc mods aswell. aswell as 7-8ar vs someting

Also that presearing thing is quite strange.

Coffee Man · Jan 19, 2015, 05:40 AM // 05:40

Only gold shields with -2wHex is prenerf. Purples still possible to get..

Red Fireball · Jan 19, 2015, 08:36 AM // 08:36

very nice thread idea!
think you should specify:

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaxBorken

Shields
- Any shield with two inherent [reduces physical damage received by X] mods (aka Dual Reduction).

It´s shields that have -2wS AND a sec dmg reduction mod - dual inherent (like -2wS +10vsSlashing etc.) do still drop frequently. There are no shields like -3wH/-2wE - the "nerf" just put -2wS in the same category as any other dmg red mods wich was not the case before.
Furthermore there are certain non max DMG ranges that do no more drop at certain reqs - just tracking max dmg´s lowest req was interesting, so I think this information cannot be retrieved.
On runes: I´m not pro here... but name written in blue medium and high runes, medium and high runes with small icon, medium runes -50HP
On shields:
gold: any with +26HP, +40HPwE/wS or below (not sure on hex - I think 56 is lowest possible atm so 55wH or below)
more to be added

Pleikki · Jan 19, 2015, 10:45 AM // 10:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by O O O Yoji O O O

- also im prety damn sure there are vampiric mods like 1life drain -1hp regen( for axe bow hammer sword) and 2hp lifedrain-1hp regen. ( Xtreamly rare.. i only saw one and it was in pre-searing)

mm yeah those excist, with lil search found this

take_me · Jan 19, 2015, 11:52 AM // 11:52

What about Quest items or collector's item that don't exist anymore ?

Tattered Girl's Cape or HoD Sword and Hammer.

Surge goes pre · Jan 19, 2015, 06:12 PM // 18:12

Brings back memories. The one HoD item that I miss was the axe. That thing was legit.

Pleikki · Jan 19, 2015, 07:07 PM // 19:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zephyr of Light

With the introduction of "Daily Quests" in Pre-Searing that can scale up enemys to level 14-18, increase the odds of gold drops, very beneficial for the Dwarven Hammer and the Krytan Axe, as its the only place where it still possibly can drop in Gold OS.

I'm pretty sure that Flint had such hammer for sale like 1-2 years ago for 90-135 Black Dye / 1:3 post ratio.

Edit : Flints Thread - http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/w...802&highlight=

The pre section shows gold OS weapons that dropped there, making it very plausible that Dwarven and Krytan may drop in Gold, and are not removed from the loot table.

Hope this contributes a little.
Z.

Discussed with few other ppl who are Pre addicts, according them the Golds did drop, but only for few minutes as they forgot turn the drops off for presearing, so Gold drops wont drop there anymore, apperently 3-4 gold drops happened.. and well if they would drop, im sure we'd see them more often then just that one flint posted 2 years ago

BlankCode · Jan 19, 2015, 09:44 PM // 21:44

Hello ! For a fact i know there were more then 3-4 gold drops. Yes they happened for a very brief time. And there were certain people who bought a decent amount of them.
Except the ones posted by Flint quite a while ago, i can confrim i peresonally have seen atlest 4-5 more golds even Staffs ingame. Most of their owners are sadly inactive or banned.
But im sure there are pretty good amount of them.

P.S: Yeah you can't drop them anymore ^^

**cosyfiep** · Jan 20, 2015, 11:31 PM // 23:31

I dont think resto wands are pre-nerf, pretty dang sure I got this one in the last few years...