Curse

masterbeef · Nov 29, 2005, 04:29 AM // 04:29

Well, I myself am not a graduate, however, i have no doubt that with a bit of effort i could graduate, i have just never gotten around to it. Which means, when i do my runs (that i can make almost 500k per day on if i am feeling runnish that day) i do not even mention LBS to attract customers. And to be honest, some of my prices are awfully high. Not only is motivation key, but also finding which runs are less popular with runners but lots of customers want it, that is how i make most of my money now (and made most of my money before i joined LBS, including the 15 ecto tuition) oh and i make some ectos pwning people in rock paper scissors. Finally, ren, you are almost as random as me sometimes.

eol · Nov 29, 2005, 04:55 AM // 04:55

sounds to me like you dont need lbs then you just bought into the fanchise to advertise yourself as runner... like im saying just make a public thread or start a site its the same deal and you odnt need to pay ecto to someone whos not gonna teach you much of anything all this is is a ploy for name recognition

Savio · Nov 29, 2005, 05:07 AM // 05:07

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Originally Posted by eol

lets start a forum registery on gwg for every runner who is capable of doing a run you can list your run your rate and your method (i.e solo form a to b or team (include how many) from a to b) have real compition instead of these rediculous prices for a obviously fualty franchise ppl can review you etc

and if gwg doesnt want to manage it then im sure someone will set up the site and u can all register for free

Sentences or lack thereof aside,
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=41375
I doubt we'll ever do anything else.

SammyW · Nov 29, 2005, 05:17 AM // 05:17

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Originally Posted by eol

sounds to me like you dont need lbs then you just bought into the fanchise to advertise yourself as runner... like im saying just make a public thread or start a site its the same deal and you odnt need to pay ecto to someone whos not gonna teach you much of anything all this is is a ploy for name recognition

Ok, if I may?

Why is it always 'someone' that should start it and not (just maybe, I know this one is a bit out there), start one yourself? If you believe in the idea then perhaps it is time to put up or move on?

I mean come on now, you don't agree with the academy (you have proven that beyond the shadow of a doubt), so again, take some initiative and follow through on your idea. I would like to see that myself, as it would perhaps add that competition that you all seem to crave and want so badly. Of course being dedicated to it and following through are the keys to the success of such an idea, getting the ball rolling is just as important though, if not more so.

Just my opinion on that. *shrugs*

PS: For the record I have used LBSRA before and probably will again, I do also hope that this wasn't taken as support for either view point on the issues that have been mentioned in previous posts, made by various members of the community.

masterbeef · Nov 29, 2005, 05:42 AM // 05:42

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Originally Posted by eol

sounds to me like you dont need lbs then you just bought into the fanchise to advertise yourself as runner... like im saying just make a public thread or start a site its the same deal and you odnt need to pay ecto to someone whos not gonna teach you much of anything all this is is a ploy for name recognition

Well yes, i did "buy" into the LBS franchise if you will. I realized i was making quite a bit of money running and farming on the side. I knew that I didnt have to join to be successful, but I had been ran on occasion by some LBS members and saw Elita do a mission for a guildy so made the decision to join. When i do graduate I think that having the LBS name for advertisement will greatly help my already good self business. I planned on starting a solo thread here on guru a while ago but opted to wait first until i graduate and get fissure boots/leggings so i can look cool and also have nice credentials, because, no matter what you or anybody else says about LBS and the service LBS provides, lots of people are happy.

DeathDealer · Nov 29, 2005, 06:01 AM // 06:01

If you dont like it or dont agree with it, do something about it other than posting your opinion time after time . It is serving no purpose whatsoever. I would like to read a thread and not see 35 pages of arguing over something that has no relevance to you at all. What LBSRA does is affecting you in no way.
Why the continuing posts about it from the same people...."its a rip-off this, it's a rip off that"....just don't worry about it. Go find a runner elsewhere if you dont agree with the prices offered by lbsra.

trim · Nov 29, 2005, 06:43 AM // 06:43

Really,

To me it seems like it's about half for and half against. But the majority of the people coming to this thread are either going to be LBS members or people looking to learn how to run. I think a lot of people wouldn't want to waste there time and resources of teaching over 40 people how to run etc. As it seems apparent now that there are only 15 graduates from this academy and there are 40 or so students. I think they do a good job in providing some good info. for running. But I dont necessarily think they go above and beyond to teach everyone how to run. If they did you would see 40 graduates and 15 students. This would be a good number in my opinion. It shouldn't take that long to teach a build and tips for running as it's really not that difficult to run. I know it might be harder for some than others, but if you can't learn how to run forge after paying 15 ectoplasms in 2 weeks then you probably never will.

I think gwg is an awesome web site and for the most part is operated very well. Really the only downfall I have of this whole LSBRA thing is that people should be able to get this same info. on this very web site for free. Thats pretty much the basic reason its here to help people to play the game of guild wars. Yet, there are people trying to sell builds and game info for real game gold. I think advertising running rates for running to different locations is great, but actually being able to sell people the builds for running I think is not so great. They make out like the only reason for this charge is for balancing out there applications and to protect there info. Really, the balancing problems are due to this thread being posted up here on probably the best guild wars websites in the game. If there is any truth in this balancing statment by them to begin with. If they were worried that they had to many people applying, or they just wanted to protect there info. I beleive theres many other ways to go about it then charging this kind of price. The greater majority of guild wars players don't have anywhere near this kind of wealth.

If one single person wasn't getting extremely wealthy off this I don't think anyone here would be arguing. I just think it the mear fact that one person is taking in a huge chunk of wealth off of something that shouldn't be that hard to get your hands on. Are a lot of people jealous about LBS raking in an insane amount of ectos on this? I would say this is probably true.

Why haven't others thought of doing somthing like this? Beats me. Probably have better things to do I'm guessing.

Guys, all you have to do is pay for a run and you can record every skill and spawn the person runs you through. You dont have to give these guys 15 ecto to learn this stuff. Just simply pay for a run and record everything about it. Why pay 200k when you can pay pennies and get the same info.

Caleb · Nov 29, 2005, 11:42 AM // 11:42

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Originally Posted by trim

If one single person wasn't getting extremely wealthy off this I don't think anyone here would be arguing. I just think it the mear fact that one person is taking in a huge chunk of wealth off of something that shouldn't be that hard to get your hands on. Are a lot of people jealous about LBS raking in an insane amount of ectos on this? I would say this is probably true.

Wealth?
Please try to recall this is a video game, and virtual wealth has virtual value only. One person having X shiny trinkets in no way intereferes with another person's ability to play and enjoy a video game, and virtual wealth in a video game should not make people jealous.

On another note, there are dozens if not hundreds of solo UW farmers from months ago that made ecto deposits in multiples of what LBS has acquired from approximately 60 student/graduates. If you were soloing UW before the hype, you were averaging 5 ectoplasm a run.

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Originally Posted by trim

Guys, all you have to do is pay for a run and you can record every skill and spawn the person runs you through. You dont have to give these guys 15 ecto to learn this stuff. Just simply pay for a run and record everything about it. Why pay 200k when you can pay pennies and get the same info.

Please don't be so presumptuous as to assume all other GW players are naive and cannot form decisions on thier own. We all earn our own gold, and you telling me how to spend my gold or not spend my gold only makes you look domineering. No one forces anyone to join this or any group, and if they choose to spend their own gold on it then who are you to interfere with how they choose to enjoy their gaming time?

This is a video game people. Relax, enjoy your own shiny trinkits and stop fretting over someone else having more shiny shimmery pink balls in their inventory than you do.

dreamex2 · Nov 29, 2005, 02:31 PM // 14:31

Yawn, I just got into work after 2 trains were delayed 'causing me and some 1000 other people to stand on a platform in the rain for roughly 45 minutes before being jammed into a tiny train for another hour. So good morning.

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Originally Posted by eol

sounds to me like you dont need lbs then you just bought into the fanchise to advertise yourself as runner... like im saying just make a public thread or start a site its the same deal and you odnt need to pay ecto to someone whos not gonna teach you much of anything all this is is a ploy for name recognition

3 Things you should know about me and some of the other members of LBSRA
-We're not looking for profit, we charge what we feel is fair for the amount of time it takes to perform our services. I'm not talking about the low-grade stuff like a Droknar's run or whatever. I'm talking about things like being run from Ascalon around the world, have Sanctum, all 3 Ascension Missions, and Thunderhead Keep completed for you while you idle/sleep/whatever.
-Many of us are very good and we'd probably have no problems making money or finding work on our own. It's just much easier in a network of people in the same field, it's like building a business connection because at any time, someone's former client could be looking for a run that said someone cannot complete at given time due to other obligations and he/she may pass that client onto a different member.
-Many if not most of us were proficient runners before ever joining LBS (well, maybe not cakes, since he had/has a mental deficiency :P), the purpose and reason that I and many others joined was to meet other people like ourselves because we figured we had something to offer each other.

I've already iterated, not all people get their money's worth out of the academy. Some of us do, and I don't think anyone's been overly disappointed yet.

In closing, I'm eating McDonald's for breakfast, Elita still has a hot ass, and cakes is mentally defunct.

DeathDealer · Nov 29, 2005, 03:00 PM // 15:00

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Originally Posted by Caleb The Pontiff

Wealth?
Please try to recall this is a video game, and virtual wealth has virtual value only. One person having X shiny trinkets in no way intereferes with another person's ability to play and enjoy a video game, and virtual wealth in a video game should not make people jealous.

On another note, there are dozens if not hundreds of solo UW farmers from months ago that made ecto deposits in multiples of what LBS has acquired from approximately 60 student/graduates. If you were soloing UW before the hype, you were averaging 5 ectoplasm a run.

Please don't be so presumptuous as to assume all other GW players are naive and cannot form decisions on thier own. We all earn our own gold, and you telling me how to spend my gold or not spend my gold only makes you look domineering. No one forces anyone to join this or any group, and if they choose to spend their own gold on it then who are you to interfere with how they choose to enjoy their gaming time?

This is a video game people. Relax, enjoy your own shiny trinkits and stop fretting over someone else having more shiny shimmery pink balls in their inventory than you do.

Very well put. You guys (Eol,Trim,and a few others mainly)telling me its a rip-off will not affect my decision making process. I am a big boy and can tie my own shoes.I dont need your two cents worth of opinion to help me...and it is a "video game"....I really like how Caleb worded this..my shiny things have no affect on you so why are you so concerned? btw..."shiny shimmery pink balls"....lmao
great post Caleb ^^

gslavik · Nov 29, 2005, 03:43 PM // 15:43

I am sure that the people who sell in-game items on eBay would disagree with you on that in-game items are not worth anything in life. In Japan, a woman went to jail for 6 years for selling off her husband's RPG items ingame and or not the value they were worth. MMORPG are a time investment, so yes, there is some value. As for the database, I am already planning one as I think it is a good idea. Since I am not very good with php and I don't feel like coding perl (trust me, perl is very obfuscated), I will manage the "database" myself (instead of using MySQL or some such). I'll let you know when it is ready.

DeathDealer: I have a bridge to sell you.

Mindcrime · Nov 29, 2005, 04:03 PM // 16:03

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Originally Posted by gslavik

I am sure that the people who sell in-game items on eBay would disagree with you on that in-game items are not worth anything in life. In Japan, a woman went to jail for 6 years for selling off her husband's RPG items ingame and or not the value they were worth. MMORPG are a time investment, so yes, there is some value. As for the database, I am already planning one as I think it is a good idea. Since I am not very good with php and I don't feel like coding perl (trust me, perl is very obfuscated), I will manage the "database" myself (instead of using MySQL or some such). I'll let you know when it is ready.

Selling in game gold/ectos/items on ebay for real money is illegal. So no wonder that woman went to jail, even though 6 years is a little to much for digital items.

gslavik · Nov 29, 2005, 04:30 PM // 16:30

Mindcrime, she sold the items in game for in game money as punishment for her husband's playing time.

I am not saying MySQL is difficult, it's the question of language and what you said, I will code it in perl, because it will be easy. I am not familiar with php enough to do it in php. As for asp, I will never use that.

Also, selling in game items for real world money is not illegal (you need a law for that), but it is against the EULA. The only one who can enforce the EULA is Anet. It's their choice to actually enforce it. One thing is to say something is wrong, another is to actually enforce the policy. This is much the same as students being able to charge full price or more than graduates.

Shen Xi · Nov 29, 2005, 04:52 PM // 16:52

As said, a lot of people such as myself who joined just have never got round to graduating or cannot be bothered. hence why there are a large number of students compared to graduates.

or is that concept so hard to get into your head? perhaps you are mentally defunct like cakes is?

as for making my money back, if i wanted more money i would go trade or (would have) farmed instead. when i joine dup i ahd no intention really of being a pro runner, it ws because that ws one of the few pve things i was into at the time and therefore joining a running guild helped witht hat.
that and all the LBS people are a nice bunch too

Lithan · Nov 29, 2005, 05:24 PM // 17:24

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Originally Posted by Blue Steel

Many people have asked, so let me answer: Yes, it is harder but still possible to run solo from Beacon's Perch to Droknar's Forge. We still offer the service, and have increased the price slightly, but it is still very possible. Yes, it is completely possible to run solo to the Deldrimor War Camp. I made a few of those runs for 3 ecto a person last night, but mostly actually played the new content.

It is slightly tricky with the Heretics (formerly known as archanists and the bane of runners), but a true expert should be able to get you there. I know at least one star from the charter class of the LBS academy made the War Camp run solo.

I made the war camp run solo with my stance tank and sprint (no charge even). The trick is knowing where you can die and respawn by camp. It's certainly not impossible, but IMHO a pure run is not the way to go, it's better to run till slowed, then stance, then run once slow wears off. I've also done a beacons to drok solo this way (both since most recent changes in spawns).

dreamex2 · Nov 29, 2005, 05:30 PM // 17:30

I run Warcamp all the time with my Warrior... never ran into any problems.

gslavik · Nov 29, 2005, 06:52 PM // 18:52

I am a computer science major and if you have a company that is in the need of a skilled programmer, I want a salary that is competative with the salaries of those who have graduated from the Massachussets Institude of Technology or University of California at Berkley. I have not graduated yet as I cannot be bothered with it. I am a student though.

That is the parallel that you, Shen Xi, are drawing. You are not alone in that either.

Being a student means you are still learning it and are in no condition to guarantee any service you provide. You could guarantee a percentage that is less than 100% (99.999...9&, but is still less than 100%) as when you graduate, LBS is the one who guarantees to your customers that you will 100% make the run and also guarantees to you that she will put in the effort to guarantee to you that what she "teaches" to you will allow you to make each and every try.

DeathDealer · Nov 29, 2005, 07:00 PM // 19:00

Gslavik...What did LBSRA do to you out of curiousity...steal a customer or something? I dont have a problem with you but am boggled as to why you are so concerned with lbsra. Are you just trying to get a rise out of people?

just wondering...

dreamex2 · Nov 29, 2005, 07:05 PM // 19:05

GSlavik.

Two things wrong with your analogy.

1. You can advertise yourself however you want, doesn't mean people will hire them. Same thing with LBS Students. Nobody forbids you to market yourself to a company and demand a certain wage for your services.

2. By delaying your graduation at a university means you're continuously paying them tuition fees so you're likely going to be losing a lot more money than someone being lazy to graduate from this type of academy

trim · Nov 29, 2005, 07:09 PM // 19:09

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Originally Posted by DeathDealer

Gslavik...why do you have so much hatred towards people you dont even know? What did LBSRA do to you out of curiousity...steal a customer or something? I dont have a problem with you but am boggled as to why you are so concerned with lbsra.

Gslavik doesn't have hatred towards lbs members. He just speaks his mind.

Last I checked there wasn't anything in the guidlines for expressing your views about something.