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capitalist · Nov 28, 2005, 06:28 PM // 18:28

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Originally Posted by dreamex2

Properly opposed to improperly right Herb:P?

If you have seen him run, you would know he is kind of gimpy... you know, he drags his right leg a bit. This is, however, an improvement (his Warrior used to run like a Mesmer)

Blue Steel · Nov 28, 2005, 07:07 PM // 19:07

Don't ever get the incorrect impression that students are not as good at certain runs as the graduates. I have no problem with a student charging a full 25K to carry someone through Thirsty River. In fact, in the absence of a compelling reason, students ought to generally charge at least what the "offical" prices are: those prices are time tested to ensure the kind of clientele we want and reflect how we value our time, regardless of how other runners value theirs. As Capitalist said, a person who loves being a student and excels in a specific run is welcome to continue charging more than the LBS rate for those runs. The Academy members in this thread have done a fantastic job of explaining our rules and policies: students can charge what they want and can mention LBSRA and how they are an Academy student and can talk about how successfully they do the run and have their own business and referrals and everything else. They simply cannot make any material false statement while advertising or else they aren't honest enough to remain in the Academy. So they cannot claim certification if they have not been certified. But claiming student status is absolutely appropriate. Many will have the [LBS] after their name, anyway.

Certification carries plenty of independent advantages. I have a lot of customers who will not pay in advance of the run if they do not see my name, either in person or on a bow that I have customized. There is a sense of achievement to having graduated, and to become a professor within the Academy (an officer) people have to have graduated. But other than that, there is often no difference in quality between the skill of a long time student or a graduate.

DeathDealer · Nov 28, 2005, 07:51 PM // 19:51

I think "lbsra" is an excellent and respectful organization. They conduct themselves in a professional manner and I dont understand why everyone consantly haggles them. Is there nothing better to do? I highly recommend LBSRA.

Hockster · Nov 28, 2005, 09:25 PM // 21:25

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Originally Posted by capitalist

If you have seen him run, you would know he is kind of gimpy... you know, he drags his right leg a bit. This is, however, an improvement (his Warrior used to run like a Mesmer)

There's a reaon some of use need canes, and not because of mesmer secondaries.

Valdis · Nov 28, 2005, 10:26 PM // 22:26

Hello everyone, I haven't visited this thread for a while...and to be honest I can't believe its still here.
By reading the previous posts I can tell that this topic is at a stalemate. I've read comments about how people think that LBS are overcharging, taking advantage of poorer players, 15 ectos = Highway Robbery, and poor graduation rates............
My opinion is... LBS provides a service to its loyal cliental. Cliental that has used LBS as their runners for an extended period of time, or a short time period in which the client was impressed and satisfied enough to continue to use the service, despite the "outrageous prices." If people want to use LBS then more power to them. It is also my understanding that LBS runners succeed 99% of the time, if not they would not have their own website for customers to book runs and could not charge 15 ecto for an entrance fee. I'll tell you right now that if I tried to open a guild and charged 10 ecto to join, in the promise to teach them how to run...I would get laughed off the server. In other words, if this business was not legit and could not deliver what they promise they can then none of us would be here right now discussing their guild....they would have been forgotten long ago.
It is correct that you can also get the same run for much cheaper. BUT I have received 2 runs in my life….one guy ran me to thirsty river from augury rock; he had the 55hp monk build so he was obviously successful. The second was absolutely brutal, went through 4 runners, it was an ascension quest…..the one with the 2 crystals…
I would have gladly teamed up with some others and paid the 10K or so a person to just get the thing done instead of wasting 4 hours of my life watching so called “Pro Runners” die over and over again.
In case you wanted to know I DID finally find a runner who got us through that mission in 12-15 minuets…It was the best 2K I have ever spent….lol

Blue Steel · Nov 28, 2005, 10:27 PM // 22:27

gslavik, you should read the entire thread. At least read how the Academy operates. No other runners that I know of anywhere have any standards at all.

Let me explain what you can know about anyone associated with the Academy:

Every student has been screened by an admission board and has applied with a list of qualifications and justification for their interest. This process is totally unique as far as I am aware.
Every student has satisfied myself and the admissions board of their basic skill, understanding of the game, and honesty in transactions in the game.
Every student has had opportunities to see, view, and practice proprietary builds, videos, and other information.
Every single student is someone who has my confidence, and if I or others in the Academy hear reports that anyone within the Academy is not being honest in any transaction (misrepresenting anything at all, making unsupported claims, or keeping payments for uncompleted runs), we will look into the allegations and take swift and appropriate action
Students are welcome to charge for runs as they practice, as they establish their own reputations, or as they want as favors or anything else to their hearts' content.
Students are able to charge any price, require payment in advance, and so forth as long as they are honest in their representations, and if they are still learning a run and happen to fail it, they refund any money paid for the run.
Graduates are legendary runners who have proven that they can complete specific runs under high pressure observation conditions with excellent performance.
Graduates are certified by me with a specific symbol of graduation that further emphasizes my confidence in their integrity and ability. This certification is totally unique.
Some customers only want certified runners because they don't even want to take chances.
People who pay the premium amounts that I build my business and fortunes around pay for quality, reliability, reputation, and speed.
Officers in the Academy are exceptional runners in every regard and have proven time and time again their honesty and ability; they are all graduates and are all elite, and they are humble as well.

Hopefully that helps you distinguish the differences. If I needed a runner, I would absolutely look for LBS first. No one else offers anything like what we do. Here is how you can look at it: when you use a non-LBS runner, you are taking a significant risk with your time (that they fail the run) and your money (that they rip you off at some point after full or partial payment). When you use an LBS student, you usuallly can get them to come to you, rather than hoping you get someone spamming for the very run you need, and you are taking no risk with your money, and only a very minor risk with your time (that for a few of them still practicing it takes a few tries before they complete some exceptionally tricky run). When you use an LBS graduate, you are taking no chances with your time and no chances with your money. You will get the run you expect: quickly, reliably, and honestly.

Hopefully that information informs your choices in the future and you make wise choices for your circumstances.

trim · Nov 28, 2005, 11:01 PM // 23:01

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Originally Posted by Blue Steel

Without going back and checking all my records, I think there have been about 15 graduates and about 50 or 60 students. It is not hard to graduate if you want to graduate, practice, and utilize all the resources available to you. Some people are not particularly concerned about graduating. They would rather just be in the Academy and do their own thing. If you set your mind to getting graduation certification, we will do everything we reasonably can to help you get there.

Wow, this is rather shocking to say the least. Only 15 graduates

This is not a flame by any means, but I would be embarrased to post that up there. I mean if your going to shell out the near 200k in ectos and not even be able to do a forge run why even pay. Sure, there are lots of other easier runs you can make a little wealth on but that is really a good piece of info. worth analyzing.

I can honestly say there are over 15 people in my guild that can do a forge run not to mention other combat runs. Maybe I should change the name of my guild to Trim's Runners Academy and make a few ecto on the side.

Edit: Trim = Troll

Mindcrime · Nov 28, 2005, 11:12 PM // 23:12

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Originally Posted by trim

I can honestly say there are over 15 people in my guild that can do a forge run not to mention other combat runs. Maybe I should change the name of my guild to Trim's Runners Academy and make a few ecto on the side.

LBS didn't mention anything about the remains of students that they can't finish droknar-run. 30 people or more in guild can do forge runs/combat runs. We cannot force people to graduation, because some people in our guild, isn't even bother to rush through things, they decide whenever they want to raise their rank from student to graduate. We aren’t using a whip on students and say; you must do that and this today or tomorrow.

E Power · Nov 28, 2005, 11:38 PM // 23:38

I was told by LBS herself, she cannot guarantee any runs; this means she won't be able to guarantee your doing runs. If I am going to pay 15 ectoplasms, I better have some assurance and you should be working your butt off, this isn't a self-learn course... You are supposed to teach others to run once the tuition is payed. If I don't have assurance that I won't be able to complete the run... What the heck? Is it worth joining this "Runners Academy"... For some it may be, yes you spend time with others and have an enjoyable time, But LBSRA (Lady Blue Steels >>>RUNNING ACADEMY<<<) only implies one thing and that is lessons on running.

gslavik · Nov 28, 2005, 11:39 PM // 23:39

Clearly there is a difference between describing the difference and acknowledging it. Had you acknowledged the difference, you would not allow your students to charge the same price (or even higher as you say you allow them) as the graduates. A student cannot guarantee his runs and therefore should not be able to charge the same amount of money that a certified professional is. Also, it strikes me as odd that you have so few graduates and so many students, especially students who do not wish to graduate? It would seem to me that a student would be very interested in graduating as soon as possible so that he would become certified and could now charge more for his/her services in the name of LBS.

Mindrime, I find that your english is very good for someone who's native language is not english (neither is mine), but when you say "we", you should use "are not" instead of "is not." Just a tip to someone who is much like me.

Edit: I also think E Power has brought up a very good point. If your course is a "self study" like many college and high school courses in United States are (I can't speak for other countries), then you should put it as so. For example: LBS Self Study Course, or LBSSSC. I hope that's not too many 's' there.

Mindcrime · Nov 28, 2005, 11:45 PM // 23:45

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Originally Posted by trim

Man, if i paid them 15 ectoplasms i think i sure would want to be recognized as being able to do a droknars forge run. I was guessing something like 80% of you'll guys could do them. Until the other 15 go out and do the graduation I can't really say that I beleive 30 of you guys can do them. Now i think i'm starting to get the jest of why you charge so much for the drok runs. If you charge an insane amount no one will ask you for these runs, and from what it looks like this might be very beneficial to your guild knowing that a large majority can't do them.

Trim = Troll

I can inform you that LBS charged 30k for droknar at the very beginning of his solo career in juni and his prices hasn't changed up-to-date with the creation of the academy in September.

Whatever of situation in terms of nerfs, market economic, new improvements or anything else. The only thing that has been changed was the enrollment tuition of 10 ecto and 10 shard to 15 ecto - because of the huge demand of incoming students. It worked and the decrease of enrollments made us control the balance and spend more time into the actual students within the academy and guild.

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Originally Posted by gslavik

Mindrime, I find that your english is very good for someone who's native language is not english (neither is mine), but when you say "we", you should use "are not" instead of "is not." Just a tip to someone who is much like me.

Thank you for mentioning about that. I can't guarantee 100% correct English, while I'm writing on my second language. It takes a little
longer than the average American here, but I promised myself to write as good as possible so everyone understand. Even though some
mistakes will come and go in further messages.

gslavik · Nov 29, 2005, 12:04 AM // 00:04

Hmm, something in the way my spell checker misbehaived. It's supposed to be "vagary."

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Originally Posted by masterbeef

Sorry dude, but that just made me lmao.

Edit: Mindcrime, as you practice speaking/writing/reading english (I am sure you get a lot with the crap that the country of which I am a citizen of), it will improve.

Mindcrime · Nov 29, 2005, 12:17 AM // 00:17

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Originally Posted by gslavik

Edit: Mindcrime, as you practice speaking/writing/reading english (I am sure you get a lot with the crap that the country of which I am a citizen of), it will improve.

You're totally right about that fact. I mean, I started playing on the American servers in late of July. I noticed some changes in the British English and American English. So believe me, I'm learning new words everyday by having discussions in a more advanced way than in school. glsavik: Nice to have a friendly talk for once. I appreciate that

gslavik · Nov 29, 2005, 12:27 AM // 00:27

I just don't think that good people should be "under" LBS. I talked to a guy who paid 8 ecto to get in (his friend he told me paid the rest).

This is like cashing in your life savings to buy some ultra rare in game item for 10,000USD.

Also: UK and USA are 2 contries separated by a common language.

monk muffle · Nov 29, 2005, 12:33 AM // 00:33

i just thiught it someone had the cash to pay for the 15 ectos (around 200k) what would make them WANT to join this place to take you a month or so to earn it all back? why is it worth it to lose 200k so you can earn it back by having to work really hard for it AGAIN

onilink · Nov 29, 2005, 12:37 AM // 00:37

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Originally Posted by monk muffle

i just thiught it someone had the cash to pay for the 15 ectos (around 200k) what would make them WANT to join this place to take you a month or so to earn it all back? why is it worth it to lose 200k so you can earn it back by having to work really hard for it AGAIN

From what I have heard, 200k is all in a days work for an LBS runner.

masterbeef · Nov 29, 2005, 01:18 AM // 01:18

Basically, if you are motivated to run, you will make money. Some days when i do runs i can make up to 500k and others as low as 20k. So the potential to make over 200k a day is there, not just for LBS runners, but for independant runners as well, you just have to be motivated. For some, having lots of money in GW does not matter.

gslavik · Nov 29, 2005, 01:29 AM // 01:29

Well, blow me down. Those guys offering "you, me, and 4 henchies" is no joke ... not because I seen them do it, but because I did it myself. If anyone needs thirsty done, get 25k ready. ^^

PS: Also tried a drok run and wow ... that thing is only worth 3k? Then again, I can't run across a flat surface if you dragged me.

Bex · Nov 29, 2005, 03:57 AM // 03:57

I'm quite interested in joining LBSRA, but I'm wondering if they have much presence/reputation on the Europian servers.. ?

eol · Nov 29, 2005, 04:03 AM // 04:03

master beef ive been motivated since beta ive been runing some missions longer then lbs probably and i dare even say better in some ways, with the motivation i have especially when it comes to being a troll i should be a trillianair lets all face it you advertise for a franchise you will find ppl paying top dollar question is who gets dibs on the client? seems to me with only 15 gradutes i makes sense to keep new students out why should we even trust such a guild?? we all know there are plenty of expert runners out there who are free lance they may not be as easily accesable since thier not centralized which is the only real thing lbs offers a centralization of somewhat talented individuals mixed in with pool of incompetants i dont see why you should charge 15 ecto to be in this school who needs lbs

lets start a forum registery on gwg for every runner who is capable of doing a run you can list your run your rate and your method (i.e solo form a to b or team (include how many) from a to b) have real compition instead of these rediculous prices for a obviously fualty franchise ppl can review you etc

and if gwg doesnt want to manage it then im sure someone will set up the site and u can all register for free