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Phrozen_ · Nov 28, 2005, 04:44 AM // 04:44

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Originally Posted by Scown-dog

I'm sick and tired of you ranting about Ferrari's!

Unlike most I think this school is a great service. It is not a scam for LBS to gain ecto quickly (look at her shield, she can get FoW armour no sweat). If this was actualy a waste of money i think we would see people who paid their 15 ecto tell us of their wasted resources.

Well i didnt pay 15 ecto, i paid 10 ecto 10 shards, and im telling you and everyone else this is a waste of money.

eol · Nov 28, 2005, 04:46 AM // 04:46

well there you have it ladies and gentlemen a unsatisfied graduate first hand... who wants a bs run now? woops forgot the L

just wondering did you ever get your ecto back? did you atleast get a lousy t-shirt?

masterbeef · Nov 28, 2005, 05:13 AM // 05:13

Plenty of people want lbs runs still. Oh and that list of graduates is severely outdated, lbs you might wanna update that. For a true list of graduates/students go to our forums at www.lbsra.net oh and last thing, eol my perfect gold sword could pwn your ugly piece collector sword and look good doing it too.

gslavik · Nov 28, 2005, 05:23 AM // 05:23

so, umm, how is the FDC hosting service, any good?

Hockster · Nov 28, 2005, 05:30 AM // 05:30

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Originally Posted by eol

thats funny but monsty untrue so far the last several pages are filled with complaints and i think its really negative for you guys but as i was saying from the begining which you have doged repeatedly to answer and clearly shows how much of a waste of time your service is

All those "complaints" are from the same three people, three and half now including yourself. Go back and actually read the answers and explain how everyone is dodging them. Use your brain and be creative instead of rehashing the rhetoric (look it up) that everyone else has been. Every accusation made here has not once been backed up with a single shred of evidence. You can spew all the crap you want, but until you prove it, it's just that, crap. And judging by the smell you've been knee deep in crap for a long time.

gslavik · Nov 28, 2005, 05:33 AM // 05:33

how about you prove that what she teaches for 15ecto is actually "secret" information?

edit: I don't run, but can come up with a half decent build in 10minutes ... give me a week and I'll have something worth using.

gslavik · Nov 28, 2005, 05:39 AM // 05:39

so, did you make your 15ecto back yet?

masterbeef · Nov 28, 2005, 06:19 AM // 06:19

Yes, i can say that i made my 15 ecto back and actually made quite a bit more, only being in the guild for about 3weeks to a month now.

gslavik · Nov 28, 2005, 12:46 PM // 12:46

how about making 26 ecto and 2 60k sets without going through LBS ... and a 2nd set of 60k armor for my warrior comming up and enough for a mesmer 60k set when it is just after pre-searing, same with my necro ...

with total runs worth over 300k by trader prices ...

Hanso Togakure · Nov 28, 2005, 01:57 PM // 13:57

Come on people, at no point has anyone in this guild set out to harrass or antagonize anyone else for playing the game thier way, so why is it acceptable for all of you people to come to our thread and flame away? You know, if you are a successful runner on your own, great, but don't come to our thread and bash us for our success. If this were not a service that was in demand, then we would not still be here. But seeing as 32 Pages and 3 months later we are still alive and kicking, I think that our success has made people jealous. My goal with this is not to start a flame war, I dont care that much to argue with people over a game. My goal is to point out that the quantity of trolls/flammers we have in this thread is unacceptable. People, please get a life and play the game, because honestly, we don't care that you can run the whole game for 10k and you think our service is a rip off. People still pay and we still make gold, so...

dreamex2 · Nov 28, 2005, 02:04 PM // 14:04

Well... in the 6 months or so prior to LBS I grossed a total of 5.5 million gold doing various things (solo UW, HoH, etc etc).

In the 2.5 weeks in LBS I've grossed a total of just under 530k. Would be more except I declined to accept payment from some customers that were blatantly poor. I only take money from the rich that can afford it:P Otherwise I run for free.

PS. I probably could've made that amount if I tried anyways without being in LBS, but it makes it a lot easier because all the members have connections and they pass runs onto each other when they can't do them (time constraints). So it's definately a fun community.

As for going away for a weekend and coming back to read up on this thread. I really only have two responses:

LoL @ eol

and,

The arguments presented are degenerating away from objective analysis to pure opinionated bullshit. Both sides of it. Saying whether or not you feel something is worth a price means absolutely nothing because there is no authoritative valuation system. In fact, when dealing with something abstract like knowledge, it's very hard even for a practitioner to valuate it fairly.

Stop arguing about price, if you want to save people money (which you won't, since the LBSRA goes beyond just a running build and some tips), go post a thread teaching people how to run on one of the non-trade boards.

capitalist · Nov 28, 2005, 03:37 PM // 15:37

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Originally Posted by eol

and to capitalist: i was being half serious i really can make max perfect weapons for under 60k req 9

I wasn't pointing to anything specific in your post, rather, I was just commenting on people who want to start their own Academy.

eol · Nov 28, 2005, 03:51 PM // 15:51

once again you still havent answered my question and dodged it yet again

in a clear sentence explain why NON graduates are running lbs services and for clients and failing, why should anyone use your service which claims to offer a experianced runner when clearly you are providing complete and utter incompetants does 15 ecto get you the right to run ppl who are looking for actual results or is your whole claim to fame just a shotty ploy like it has steadly become more and more aparent with each continuing reply

if you have a reason why these non graduates are doing this then say so now

evade it once again and I doubt you will continue to recieve a demand for runs from your service

masterbeef · Nov 28, 2005, 03:55 PM // 15:55

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Originally Posted by eol

once again you still havent answered my question and dodged it yet again

in a clear sentence explain why NON graduates are running lbs services and for clients and failing, why should anyone use your service which claims to offer a experianced runner when clearly you are providing complete and utter incompetants does 15 ecto get you the right to run ppl who are looking for actual results or is your whole claim to fame just a shotty ploy like it has steadly become more and more aparent with each continuing reply

if you have a reason why these non graduates are doing this then say so now

evade it once again and I doubt you will continue to recieve a demand for runs from your service

To answer your question. Personally, being only a student, I dont even mention LBS certified or anything in my runs. However, if it has a been a good run, which is usually is, i will point them over towards our customer feedback section. I myself am going to wait until i graduate before i start spamming lbs certified and stuff whenever i run.

dreamex2 · Nov 28, 2005, 04:02 PM // 16:02

@eol.

To address your question, I don't think you know exactly how the system works. I'll use this opportunity to explain it to you.

Graduation happens after a student has successfully completed a Droknar's run with little - no hindrance and also completed Thirsty River in a reasonable amount of time with fewer than 4 Henchmen. Those are the two conditions to earning your customized Forgerunner. Before that, you're a student and you're not allowed to advertise yourself as an LBS certified runner.

The majority of their 'clients' that require 'premium' runs post on their forums (found at www.lbsra.net) where a certified graduate may take up the run. A student will not be allowed to attempt any run on the forums without first graduating. This doesn't mean that members of LBS who are students cannot offer to run in game for whatever price they decide to charge.

The high grade of service provided by LBS runners is available to you provided you make a request officially on their forums. Runs like Ascalon -> World Tour, are usually completed by a very experienced runner. It's stated in the first post, they very rarely take up simple runs like Beacon's -> Droknar's.

No LBS student is allowed to market themselves as an LBS Certified runner at any time until graduation. If you see someone making that type of claim, please screen shot it and send it in to them.

Thank you for your post, I hope this answers your question.

The Herbalizer · Nov 28, 2005, 04:03 PM // 16:03

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how about making 26 ecto and 2 60k sets without going through LBS ... and a 2nd set of 60k armor for my warrior comming up and enough for a mesmer 60k set when it is just after pre-searing, same with my necro ...
with total runs worth over 300k by trader prices ...

If we are going to boast at least make up an interesting amount. Maybe ill add i am intending to purchase full necro fissure armor when I start playing again in late January. And before LBSRA I had only the 15ectos which I payed to join.

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Dude, i had much more than that before i joined LBS.

Exactly if you are going to boast at least make up a large amount.

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once again you still havent answered my question and dodged it yet again

in a clear sentence explain why NON graduates are running lbs services and for clients and failing, why should anyone use your service which claims to offer a experianced runner when clearly you are providing complete and utter incompetants does 15 ecto get you the right to run ppl who are looking for actual results or is your whole claim to fame just a shotty ploy like it has steadly become more and more aparent with each continuing reply

if you have a reason why these non graduates are doing this then say so now

evade it once again and I doubt you will continue to recieve a demand for runs from your service

I would frown upon people mentioning the academy when they are not certified and it is also against the rules. Hope this helps with your enquiry

eol · Nov 28, 2005, 04:18 PM // 16:18

well that answers some questions but i have more now

if i do run into a lbs runner who is not graduated and they are charging the full lbs fee for a mission, should they be allowed to do so since this is clearly in violation of your academys policy of firstly not advertising as a graduate and seondly even as a student is it acceptable to be charging the full fee if your not qualified

also i would like to know exactly how many graduates your academy has produced since its conception and how many there curently are operating within your group, i dont feel this is something that should be concealed if your academy is so dignified and honorable its a simple question to answer and if the answer will seem suspicous then thats something everyone should be aware of when they enroll or buy a run becuase if FOR EXAMPLE you have only 5 graduates and i have recently asked a student who tells me your group has about 80 members then we all can see that it is a minority of ppl recieving benifit fromt this training and that any one other then graduates is clearly a waste of your time and money and that graduates themselves are simply using this academy as venue to gain income for themselves only

i think this is a fair question to ask

and yes lbs you really should update your graduates list becuase with 80 ppl advertising lbs certified there is obviously something extremly suspicious about your affairs

capitalist · Nov 28, 2005, 04:24 PM // 16:24

^^

Non-grads can charge full prices if they wish. They can run for free if they wish. The could even charge (Are you sitting down? Good.) more than our rates.

The Herbalizer · Nov 28, 2005, 04:29 PM // 16:29

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if i do run into a lbs runner who is not graduated and they are charging the full lbs fee for a mission, should they be allowed to do so since this is clearly in violation of your academys policy of firstly not advertising as a graduate and seondly even as a student is it acceptable to be charging the full fee if your not qualified

You can charge what you want but i guess you wont get much business if you charge alot and arnt brilliant. So that is why graduates are preferred as they suggest higher standards.

eol · Nov 28, 2005, 04:31 PM // 16:31

how is that acceptable or even economicaly sound thats liek paying 500,000 for a ferrari and then tell me that its ok to pay 500,000 for a ford pinto

this is cearly miss reprezentation of your academy and i dont think you are discourging it if your allowing students to charge more then a certified runner, so i doubt you are even discouraging them from advertising thier enrolment in lbs becuase its clear they are flgrantly spaming your name and not recieving and other trainign then that. your school seems to lake any sort of grasp over an actual standard of service or realistic earnings for students you guys are just spaming lbs is great willy nilly you dont care who says it and you dont even care of the standard of performance your students are producing good luck convincing ppl now that you guys are capable of doing anything this is disrespect to your customers and to your name if lbs even cared and i doubt she does she would have put a stop to this long ago but with every action and answer i recieve from you guys its more and more clear that you are lbs UNCERTIFIED TO PLAY GUILD WARS

you still have not answer how many graduates your school has produced and how many are still active with your ranks or is answering this going to cause you further embaressment?