For the first item -- I paid 6.5k for the exact same item. I am thinking I paid at the high end, but don't know for sure.
For the second item -- tough luck dude, by sheer coincidence you have a gold item with the EXACT same stats as a collector item. Only a moron would pay more because its a gold item. Oh wait, I forgot, there are a lot of them out there. Who knows what one of them would pay? Collector items used to go for around 3k for the most part, but I haven't checked the market in ages, and there were always people exploiting ignorance and trying to sell them for much more.
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