Curse

VikingHaag · May 09, 2011, 08:13 PM // 20:13

Started playing again in last weeks, and i wonder: how the hell did the market get so fu***d up?? Stayed in spamadan for some hours trying to sell a VS and an Obby edge (lucky fow run ftw) and i saw a thing. Nothing but super rare weapons , rare mini and El tonics seem to sell easily anymore. Can some1 explain me how we got to this point? I know 6 years is a long time and it's a miracle this game is still alive but, come on.

Pleikki · May 10, 2011, 03:23 AM // 03:23

Ppl finally starting realize Inscriable weapons suck

tghoodoo · May 10, 2011, 05:54 AM // 05:54

its like a friend just said and i quote: "u only got billionaires and (can't forget his wurds but) broke ass ninjas anymore." the rich ppl got everythign they want pretty much. and the broke ass 'ninjas' dont' got enough moneyz. my opinion anyways

marnick · May 10, 2011, 08:48 AM // 08:48

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Originally Posted by tghoodoo

its like a friend just said and i quote: \\\"u only got billionaires and (can\\\'t forget his wurds but) broke ass ninjas anymore.\\\" the rich ppl got everythign they want pretty much. and the broke ass \\\'ninjas\\\' dont\\\' got enough moneyz. my opinion anyways

pretty much this. Either you have 20 stacks of ecto and a stack of armbraces, or you are broke, as in zero gold. There is no in between. It\'s partly due to the age of the game, and partly due to powertraders who destroyed their own markets. Overfarming of ecto and armbraces is an issue too.

Gabs88 · May 10, 2011, 04:47 PM // 16:47

Well, more or less yeah. I hide out in the seeking services section a lot and meeting guys who have everything from Panda to Kanaxai and 20 stacks of ecto on top isn't uncommon at all. Most of the guys I do runs for easily has at least a solid 4-8 stacks. Or you have the guys who thinks more then 10k for a VQ service with 500 mobs is outrageous because they can't afford it. Also, apart from uninscribables. Everything in this game is incredibly easy to attain, probably wouldn't even have to spend a week to get a hold of Q9 BDS's for all of my heroes. Not that I'm going to but to illustrate a point, no inscribable is rare. Apart from a few items that simply put don't get farmed but are still popular. Bonecage Scythe \ Clockwork Scythe and Demoncrest Spear comes to mind.

Hobbs · May 10, 2011, 05:23 PM // 17:23

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_saturation

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Future sales depend on several factors including the rate of obsolescence (at what age cars are replaced), population growth, and societal changes such as the spread of multi-car families.

GW items don't go obsolete, especially since no new rares are being added, the population is decreasing. The only "societal change" I can think of is the implementation of 7 heroes and no one's buying Obby Edges for them.

Even the low end FoWSC players are running with VSs and Obby Edges now, no one's buying them.

**cosyfiep** · May 11, 2011, 09:38 AM // 09:38

the few people inbetween the uber rich and the super poor are not standing in spamdan...we are playing the game with our 7 heroes---making the few plat that we need to get that last armor for the HoM.....(that would be me...no stacks of ectos, no super rare minis--still want to get ahold of a zippy sometime....but I have almost a full HoM so now I just want the last few things ....).

AngelWJedi · May 11, 2011, 04:02 PM // 16:02

im one of the few in between those two groups. im rich compared to the poor group but so very poor compared to the rich group. i can afford to buy low-middle end stuff but i will never ever be able to afford the minis i really want. like MKG or polar bear.

Wicked Sweet · May 14, 2011, 04:22 PM // 16:22

A lot of the in-between players are also pvpers, and they all quit. Most of the people that I used to HA with had 3-5 stacks of ectos at the least.

Shy Guy · May 15, 2011, 03:23 AM // 03:23

Yeah there's definitely lots of people in the middle of the two groups. But the large majority IS either uber rich or dirt poor.

Vlad · May 15, 2011, 03:38 AM // 03:38

I think im in the middle of the 2 groups o.O i can afford some things but not like the rly high end stuff.

Bright Star Shine · May 15, 2011, 10:28 AM // 10:28

Well, I think it's hard to say what's the in between and what's the extremities. Because, in my opinion, I'm in the in between, I have about a constant of ~500e. But to someone dirt poor I would be insanely rich, as in comparison, a guy with a storage pane full of ecto's and a stack of armbraces would be insanely rich to me. So to some people I would be already in the extremity of being loaded, as to myself I would consider me middleground.

@Shy, I beg to differ, the amount of people that are sitting on 100-250e constantly vastly outdoes the insanely rich. As to the dirt poor, they make up the biggest chunk of this game I think. You just don't see them on guru.

VikingHaag · May 15, 2011, 11:15 AM // 11:15

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Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine

Well, I think it's hard to say what's the in between and what's the extremities. Because, in my opinion, I'm in the in between, I have about a constant of ~500e. But to someone dirt poor I would be insanely rich, as in comparison, a guy with a storage pane full of ecto's and a stack of armbraces would be insanely rich to me. So to some people I would be already in the extremity of being loaded, as to myself I would consider me middleground.

@Shy, I beg to differ, the amount of people that are sitting on 100-250e constantly vastly outdoes the insanely rich. As to the dirt poor, they make up the biggest chunk of this game I think. You just don't see them on guru.

You think you hit the nail, the 91000 new player that appear every month (according to GW sales) just don't know this forum even exists. Only player that played a while appear on this forums, and most are dirty rich. I'm not rich but not poor either, i played only 2 weeks since i returned, and i think my 3 arms and 14 ectos are a nice start. Too bad the only char that is used for anything nowadays are the sins, which i'm too lazy to create.

Shy Guy · May 15, 2011, 03:54 PM // 15:54

@Bright: Nah I agree that 80% of players ARE dirt poor, 15% are filthy rich, and 5% are in the middle, but I feel like on the guru the vast majority of people you see are in that middle category. Realistically they only contribute to a small portion of the community, but the funny thing is I feel like 80% of those people are on the guru while like 0.01% of the poor, new players have never even heard of the guru.

P.S. I consider the middle to be 100-1000e

Pleikki · May 15, 2011, 03:57 PM // 15:57

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Originally Posted by Shy Guy

@Bright: Nah I agree that 80% of players ARE dirt poor, 15% are filthy rich, and 5% are in the middle, but I feel like on the guru the vast majority of people you see are in that middle category. Realistically they only contribute to a small portion of the community, but the funny thing is I feel like 80% of those people are on the guru while like 0.01% of the poor, new players have never even heard of the guru.

P.S. I consider the middle to be 100-1000e

Id think way more then 5% be on middle.. as for traders around here.. most are at 100-1000e like me..

Shy Guy · May 15, 2011, 04:06 PM // 16:06

Exactly. 90% of the traders here on the guru are in the middle(100-1ke), but in the whole game's demographic, the middle is only like 5-10% of the whole guild wars community.
But yeah, the percentages are prolly way off. That was just me spontaneously guessing.

old gray dude · May 15, 2011, 10:26 PM // 22:26

but also i would like to add as one of the middle class i consider myself is that most of us dont want the vs or obby edges because honestly those items are so played out they have been around and so overfarmed that they arent anything special anymore i would much rather have a gold inherent nice wep anyday and the ones that do want one they alrdy have had one for ages now

Bright Star Shine · May 15, 2011, 11:15 PM // 23:15

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Originally Posted by old gray dude

but also i would like to add as one of the middle class i consider myself is that most of us dont want the vs or obby edges because honestly those items are so played out they have been around and so overfarmed that they arent anything special anymore i would much rather have a gold inherent nice wep anyday and the ones that do want one they alrdy have had one for ages now

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Originally Posted by Pleikki

Ppl finally starting realize Inscriable weapons suck

This pretty much.

noneedforclevernames · May 15, 2011, 11:42 PM // 23:42

In Guild Wars and real life, most people don't understand how to make money. They were never taught how to make money, hence most of the population doesn't have a lot of money. A lot of the rich people I knew in Guild Wars wouldn't even waste their fortunes on a single weapon. Sure, there are some who will, but for the most part people who have a lot of money (In games or in real life) don't necessarily buy lots of expensive items. A lot of them probably put that money into armor for HOM, weapons/mods for all of their heroes and themselves, titles such as the Zaishen Title, etc...Besides that, rich people probably keep their money. If they ever need more money in the future, already having money expedites the process. Not to mention, a lot of the rich players probably don't play much anymore or already have the fancy weapons they want.

obastable · May 15, 2011, 11:43 PM // 23:43

^ +1

Also

After 6 years there's nothing left in this game that I want that I don't already have (There is no Everlasting Yakkington tonic, if there was I'd sell my mother to get one). I have no use for ecto or arms so I give them to friends & maintain about 100k in storage. The economy is useless to me & I'm sure I'm not the only one who just doesn't give a flying f**k in a rolling donut about the "state" of it anymore.