Curse

deadman_uk · Mar 07, 2008, 09:20 PM // 21:20

I don't know if this would help out anyone but I have created and saved the skillbars of all the heroes in Guild Wars. I use my heroes often so it's important that they have a good set of skills, so I thought I would share them with you all

Skill Templates

thunderai · Mar 07, 2008, 10:15 PM // 22:15

Downloaded.. No virus found...

What I find odd is that you use your heros similar to ways I do. I'll give these skills a try.

deadman_uk · Mar 07, 2008, 10:48 PM // 22:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderai

Downloaded.. No virus found...

What I find odd is that you use your heros similar to ways I do. I'll give these skills a try.

Ok, let me know what you think. I don't claim to be a pro at this game, I just enjoy it and I do have several years experience with several of the professions available in GW.

When you say you find it odd that I use heroes similar to you.. what do you mean? Can you be more specific?

thunderai · Mar 07, 2008, 11:00 PM // 23:00

My heros are runed for skill bars similar to what your heros use.

Savio · Mar 07, 2008, 11:17 PM // 23:17

Why post this here when there's a build forum?

deadman_uk · Mar 08, 2008, 12:00 AM // 00:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savio

Why post this here when there's a build forum?

Good point, can a moderator please move this to the Heroes & AI section?

noneedforclevernames · Mar 08, 2008, 01:28 PM // 13:28

yo thanks for the laughs..especially the 100 hard resses and no use of secondaries..
imo none of those builds are very good {I only looked at like 7 of them}

deadman_uk · Mar 08, 2008, 03:05 PM // 15:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by noneedforclevernames

yo thanks for the laughs..especially the 100 hard resses and no use of secondaries..
imo none of those builds are very good {I only looked at like 7 of them}

Hi there!

I didn't post these templates for people like you to take the piss. Just because you don't think they are very good, doesn't make them bad builds... it's down to user preference and I'm glad not everyone is as disrespectful as you (even if they don't use my builds) I stated above that I am not a professional at this game but I wanted to help the community... no, not people like you who act as if they're far superior to me in Guild Wars. This is more for the average gamer, or people who have heroes sitting there, with no skills to use. Not sure how you got the figure 100 when referring to the resurrect skills considering their are only 25 heroes in total. I am also not sure of how you can make an opinion without looking at ALL of the builds, for sure you have only looked at the minority to base your opinion.

About secondary professions and again this is down to user preference. Just because I don't often make use of the heroes secondary profession, doesn't mean the build is instantly bad. These builds are for heroes, not humans and if you've ever been to the Isle of Nameless, you would see that there are many skills heroes don't know how to use correctly. If heroes were a bit smarter, I could add skills like Arcane Echo for Acolyte Sousuke and give Acolyte Jin (who uses barrage) "Splinter Weapon" or "Go for the Eyes". These simply work poorly as the AI doesn't know how to use them well and for PVE, I am a person who has the majority of his skills in the primary profession.

N1ghtstalker · Mar 08, 2008, 06:55 PM // 18:55

nice work glad to see you share your builds
ppl that don't have much experience making their heroes builds can rly make good advantage of these
maybe a small summary of how many builds for each proff you have in there would be quite nice
but still good work to help other players use their heroes decently

The Meth · Mar 09, 2008, 12:47 AM // 00:47

Well, almost all of the builds have 1 or 2 really questionable skills on them.
Seriously, Avatar of Melandru without wearying strike? A bow ranger using a pet and not having savage/distracting?

Still, its better then 95% of hero and player builds I see, so hopefully some people will find them useful. Most of the builds are focused in one or two attributes and have at least 2 or 3 of the best skills in those attributes, so its a good start for people new to the game. If you don't mind, may I go through your builds and make changes that I would feel improve the builds, then repost them here?

deadman_uk · Mar 09, 2008, 04:43 AM // 04:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meth

Well, almost all of the builds have 1 or 2 really questionable skills on them.
Seriously, Avatar of Melandru without wearying strike? A bow ranger using a pet and not having savage/distracting?

Still, its better then 95% of hero and player builds I see, so hopefully some people will find them useful. Most of the builds are focused in one or two attributes and have at least 2 or 3 of the best skills in those attributes, so its a good start for people new to the game. If you don't mind, may I go through your builds and make changes that I would feel improve the builds, then repost them here?

I class myself as experienced in Monk, Paragon, Dervish and Mesmer (these are my PVE characters). I have less knowledge in the other professions and I made the builds using my experience. Yes, I would actually welcome you to edit the builds and improve them. Please do that, let me know what you've changed and post them back on here. The more feedback, the better as I want my heroes to have the best skillbars possible.

The Meth · Mar 09, 2008, 05:56 AM // 05:56

Here's some of the changes I've made. All of my builds contain the base name with 'v2' appended to them.

Overall, I decided to try and stick with the essence of what your original build was. In most cases, I kept the same elite, same attributes, and tried to make sure you keep some form of condition removal, resurrection, speed buff, and such if you had one before, though in a few instances I didn't.

I did sometimes change the build around a bit. For example, instead of Xandra being a 100% restoration, I swapped out one of her (rather redundant) single target heals for a party heal, and since you had so much channeling I thought it was going to waste just for OoS, so I added in ancestor's rage and splinter weapon. The overall change is to make her more of a strong support character then a pure healer, though she still retains ample strength in that role.

If you want my rationale for any changes just ask.

deadman_uk · Mar 09, 2008, 07:36 PM // 19:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meth

Here's some of the changes I've made. All of my builds contain the base name with 'v2' appended to them.

Overall, I decided to try and stick with the essence of what your original build was. In most cases, I kept the same elite, same attributes, and tried to make sure you keep some form of condition removal, resurrection, speed buff, and such if you had one before, though in a few instances I didn't.

I did sometimes change the build around a bit. For example, instead of Xandra being a 100% restoration, I swapped out one of her (rather redundant) single target heals for a party heal, and since you had so much channeling I thought it was going to waste just for OoS, so I added in ancestor's rage and splinter weapon. The overall change is to make her more of a strong support character then a pure healer, though she still retains ample strength in that role.

If you want my rationale for any changes just ask.

I reviewed all your builds and made comments below:

Acolyte Jin
=============

I see you've completely removed her pet and I don't like that. I have 3 hero rangers and I like 2 of them to have pets (Margrid and Jin). I didn't use your skillbar for her, although I did replace "Call of Protection" with "Distracting Shot".

Anton
======

In my testing, Anton doesn't seem to use "Golden Phoneix Strike" alot of the time and when he does, often he does so without casting "Critical Defenses". Without this, he has no enchantment on him and his "Golden Phoneix Strike" misses.

I favour my build more than yours, because at least he uses his skills smartly. I will however add "Death Blossom" to his skillbar.

General Morgahn
================

You removed all but one of his command skills, yet you still left him with 11 points in command.. this has confused me a little. I favour your build over mine so I will use it, but I will swap "Anthem of Flame" for "Anthem of Weariness" and lower Spear Mastery from 15 to 14, allowing me to boost Leadership a little. I will replace "Leader's Comfort" with "Never Surrender" too.

Goren
=======

I dislike your build, and favour mine more. I really dislike skills like "Counter Blow" that knocks down a foe (which is good) but does 0 damage.

Hayda
=======

Giving her "Defensive Anthem" I feel is really stupid. She will probably use it in the middle of an intense battle (which is how it should be used) but it only lasts for 8 seconds and is immediately removed if someone uses an attack skill. Since we're in the middle of a battle, most of the heroes would be using attack skills allowing "Defensive Anthem" to only stay in effect for a few seconds. All this for 15 energy and a 25 second recharge?... Not a good idea in my opinion.

When editing her build, you appear to completely forget about energy. Giving her 2 skills costing 15 energy each, a skill that costs 25 energy, on top of the 5 energy it costs to use "Spear Lightning". How much energy do you think she has? I think most Paragons have between 25-35 energy... this build is too energy heavy. Ok, she has 13 in Leadership which will help, but I don't like it to be honest.

Margrid The Sly
=================

Again, no pet. Your build is good, but I prefer mine.

Master of Whispers
====================

I like where you're going with this so I will use it. I did make a few minor changes though.

Olias
=======

I like so I will use yours.

Pyre Fierceshot
=================

Your build is far too energy heavy in my opinion, I dislike.

Warrior Axe
===========

Again, I prefer mine but I will exchange "Endure Pain" for "For Great Justice"

Warrior Sword
=================

I prefer mine but I will exchange "Endure Pain" for "For Great Justice"

Xandra
========

I prefer mine again to yours, but I agree that a heal party type skill is needed, so I will add that to her skillbar.

I have re-uploaded the zip file with the changes I have made.

The Meth · Mar 09, 2008, 08:42 PM // 20:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by deadman_uk

I reviewed all your builds and made comments below:
Anton
======

In my testing, Anton doesn't seem to use "Golden Phoneix Strike" alot of the time and when he does, often he does so without casting "Critical Defenses". Without this, he has no enchantment on him and his "Golden Phoneix Strike" misses.

I favour my build more than yours, because at least he uses his skills smartly. I will however add "Death Blossom" to his skillbar.

Are you sure about that? When I tested it, he kept way of perfection up all the time, which always allowed him to use golden phoenix. He would use critical defences when under attack. If he is indeed screwing it up, leave him as he was. A build that works half the time and fails otherwise isn't a good thing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by deadman_uk

Hayda
=======

Giving her "Defensive Anthem" I feel is really stupid. She will probably use it in the middle of an intense battle (which is how it should be used) but it only lasts for 8 seconds and is immediately removed if someone uses an attack skill. Since we're in the middle of a battle, most of the heroes would be using attack skills allowing "Defensive Anthem" to only stay in effect for a few seconds. All this for 15 energy and a 25 second recharge?... Not a good idea in my opinion.

When editing her build, you appear to completely forget about energy. Giving her 2 skills costing 15 energy each, a skill that costs 25 energy, on top of the 5 energy it costs to use "Spear Lightning". How much energy do you think she has? I think most Paragons have between 25-35 energy... this build is too energy heavy. Ok, she has 13 in Leadership which will help, but I don't like it to be honest.

Well, Aggressive refrain should be precast and kept up with anthem of flame, making it essentially free. Then with leadership, having two 15 energy skills and one 5 energy skills actually costs as much as two 10 energy skills and one free skill. If you still feel energy is tight, exchanging Unblockable Throw for Go for the Eyes! will give you a good amount more. Also, we don't care much about defensive anthem dropping off the the attack characters, its meant to help your casters.

Considering the speed at which things die in PvE, within the first 15 seconds of the battle you should get 1 or 2 kills, and after those first kills your healers are much less strained to keep your group alive. Thats why I like to overload on defense during the onset of a battle, hence the 50% block and party wide armor buff.

Quote:

Originally Posted by deadman_uk

General Morgahn
================

You removed all but one of his command skills, yet you still left him with 11 points in command.. this has confused me a little. I favour your build over mine so I will use it, but I will swap "Anthem of Flame" for "Anthem of Weariness" and lower Spear Mastery from 15 to 14, allowing me to boost Leadership a little. I will replace "Leader's Comfort" with "Never Surrender" too.

Anthem of Flame and Anthem of Weariness are pretty much interchangable in most command builds, but never surrender is a good change. I just didn't want to touch your self heal since you had one before.

Quote:

Originally Posted by deadman_uk

Xandra
========

I prefer mine again to yours, but I agree that a heal party type skill is needed, so I will add that to her skillbar.

Perhaps you would keep mine as a variant? I find a good split between offense and defense on a rit is very useful, especially in times where you aren't quite certain of the quality of whatever monks may be in your group (pugs)

Since the rest of the differences appear to be more a question of style, I declined to comment.

Edit: For margrid, I highly recommend finding a way to fit in Read the Wind. Having the interrupting arrows reach their destination 2x as fast is invaluable.

deadman_uk · Mar 11, 2008, 12:33 AM // 00:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meth

Are you sure about that? When I tested it, he kept way of perfection up all the time, which always allowed him to use golden phoenix. He would use critical defences when under attack. If he is indeed screwing it up, leave him as he was. A build that works half the time and fails otherwise isn't a good thing.

Yes, I am sure. He does usually keep the skill up but sometimes in mid battle, he forgets to cast it again, then when he uses "Golden Phoneix Strike", it does no damage because he doesn't have an enchantment on him. As you said, a build that only works half the time is no good.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meth

Perhaps you would keep mine as a variant? I find a good split between offense and defense on a rit is very useful, especially in times where you aren't quite certain of the quality of whatever monks may be in your group

Your Xandra build has been included in the ZIP file as an alternative template.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meth

For margrid, I highly recommend finding a way to fit in Read the Wind. Having the interrupting arrows reach their destination 2x as fast is invaluable.

Agreed. I have added Read the Wind to her skillbar

For those who downloaded my skillbars to use on your heroes, I recommend you re-download them because some changes have been made over the past couple of days.

Akolo · Mar 11, 2008, 07:53 AM // 07:53

You use pets, they are only there to meatshield in my opinion.
And DONT remove FGJ on a bar focused on adrenaline lol.
I can show you some of mine later, yours are good, but yes i think they all can be improved just a liiitle bit.

deadman_uk · Mar 11, 2008, 09:17 PM // 21:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akolo

You use pets, they are only there to meatshield in my opinion.

I see the pet as an extra ally, whether it dies, or deals small damage, it's an extra ally on the team.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akolo

And DONT remove FGJ on a bar focused on adrenaline lol.

Of course not, but for a skillbar with only a couple of adrenaline skills, I don't feel FGJ is needed. FGJ is included in 2 of the 3 warrior builds.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akolo

I can show you some of mine later, yours are good, but yes i think they all can be improved just a liiitle bit.

Sure, post them here when you have time, I would like to have a look.

deadman_uk · Apr 12, 2008, 06:02 PM // 18:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akolo

You use pets, they are only there to meatshield in my opinion.
And DONT remove FGJ on a bar focused on adrenaline lol.
I can show you some of mine later, yours are good, but yes i think they all can be improved just a liiitle bit.

Did you ever improve my builds? Or have you forgotten?