Curse

plastichead · Dec 11, 2006, 10:12 PM // 22:12

Amish Lifeguard, if you ever do get permission from Xena, Pm me in game, My Character is a level 13 ranger: Aux Ilary. I don't really need to know until i'm 16 though.

Covah · Dec 11, 2006, 10:24 PM // 22:24

He will probably add it to his guide. Just hope its soon.

jryan · Dec 11, 2006, 11:23 PM // 23:23

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Originally Posted by Leorin Magnifico

Lets put it this way, I have been lvl 19 for near 8 months now...and didnt bother going for lvl 20 then....

And the title made sure I never will xD

<3 God

-Leo

there may be several already with title but i bet 90% of the peeps proclaiming that they aiming for title will not reach it within a year or will just posibly give up at lvl 16

I think incorigible ale hound in pre>LDoA,
simply because it costs alot more then just time.

if i were ever to get lvl 20 in pre my pet would stay at lvl 16 so i am not perfect. hell i even dyed my starter warrior armor white

if nothing else quit using the excuse, "since every one has it i dont want it" cause u greedy about every one getting shot at being high lvl. hell if u hit lvl 20 just dont display it as some braging right

JRyan

Femella Monachus · Dec 12, 2006, 12:55 AM // 00:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by amish lifeguard

Plastichead, It IS possible but I will not disclose it until i get permission from Xena.

Let's say you or Xena does post the way to do it. What's the probability of it getting nerfed?
It if much better for someone to find the method themselves. In my opinion, it is part of the creativity and intelligence of being the Legendary Defender of Ascalon.

plastichead · Dec 12, 2006, 12:57 AM // 00:57

is it still possible to leave the arena training after completeing? will you end up in post or stay in pre? when i say leave, i mean leave right after the "random arena" battle is complete.

the reason i ask is this: In the real random arenas, people have been known to "sync enter" and i figured if you got enough lvl 16s, 17s, 18s and 19s you could theoretically get xp off each other.

any thoughts on this?

[edit] no it does not work,

good thing i made a new character to test!

plastichead · Dec 12, 2006, 12:59 AM // 00:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Femella Monachus

Let's say you or Xena does post the way to do it. What's the probability of it getting nerfed?
It if much better for someone to find the method themselves. In my opinion, it is part of the creativity and intelligence of being the Legendary Defender of Ascalon.

well, i am trying to figure it out. but i have few leads (i know, i know, neither did the first person).

Femella Monachus · Dec 12, 2006, 01:28 AM // 01:28

Well, I hope you pursue those leads.

I mean, I would hate to have the method nerfed before I get to level 20. Even then, I would still probably not reveal it because it will be unfair to the people that have not reached it.

Like I said before, once you figure it out, you'll feel like a real Legendary Defender because you will be one of few who knows the method. That's the fun part! You will also have demonstrated how creative and smart you are.

Thomas Valheru · Dec 12, 2006, 01:58 AM // 01:58

Would it be possible to get some kind of hint as to how to do this supposed trick?
Pretty please with sugar on top?

Covah · Dec 12, 2006, 02:25 AM // 02:25

I don't think they would nerf this idea. They had already nerfed Charr coming back to the shrine but when they added this new title they must have allowed it again.

Kendar Muert · Dec 12, 2006, 03:05 AM // 03:05

I found a way to get LS, and its quite simple- pay others to dl you. Actually, i got a guildie to do it, but ya...same principle. (:

amish lifeguard · Dec 12, 2006, 03:18 AM // 03:18

How many times do we have to say this? You can NOT have 2 people Dlvl. The whole party must die before you rez!

As to the charr, I believe that they will not nerf it as well. They took it away for a period of time but later reinstalled it. I believe that if they did this, they will not take it away again. But Xena wants to play it safe and out of goodwill, I will respect his opinion until he gives the go.

God Apprentice · Dec 12, 2006, 08:53 AM // 08:53

Leorin! My mesmer ^_^ <3

On topic: Aside from that exploit (Hi Lime

) there is no realistic way to gain both titles (LDoA, LS)

Quote:

Originally Posted by jryan

there may be several already with title but i bet 90% of the peeps proclaiming that they aiming for title will not reach it within a year or will just posibly give up at lvl 16

I think incorigible ale hound in pre>LDoA,
simply because it costs alot more then just time.

if i were ever to get lvl 20 in pre my pet would stay at lvl 16 so i am not perfect. hell i even dyed my starter warrior armor white

if nothing else quit using the excuse, "since every one has it i dont want it" cause u greedy about every one getting shot at being high lvl. hell if u hit lvl 20 just dont display it as some braging right

JRyan

You miss the point. Before the title appeared trying to level to 20 was an "underground" thing, now because of the addition of the title more people are trying and it has become "mainstream". The thing is to us old schoolers it looks like this: If you wanted to be 20 why didn't you start back then? Why did you decided to do it once you found it there is a title. You'd have had to been in pre searing for as long as we have (14 months for me) to understand the flaming to acceptance thing.

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Originally Posted by Femella Monachus

Well, I hope you pursue those leads.

I mean, I would hate to have the method nerfed before I get to level 20. Even then, I would still probably not reveal it because it will be unfair to the people that have not reached it.

Like I said before, once you figure it out, you'll feel like a real Legendary Defender because you will be one of few who knows the method. That's the fun part! You will also have demonstrated how creative and smart you are.

The method is simple: Death leveling. There is no super secret boss you fight or nothing like that. There are different areas to death level, yes. But only one method. Death leveling was already nerfed before. The only way to nerf this is to nerf death leveling. Case in point:

The first level 20 death leveled off of Charr. Now that in itself was not nerfed. ANet updated the AI back in November I believe it was and it affected aggro in pre as well. So it wasnt actually nerfed, people just went to find another way to do it, before it was actually nerfed in the summer

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Originally Posted by Covah

I don't think they would nerf this idea. They had already nerfed Charr coming back to the shrine but when they added this new title they must have allowed it again.

As I stated above, that was not nerfed. Anet made an AI update and it affected aggro in pre, it was not meant as a nerf because Anti hit 20, it was just a standard AI update, and Charr can be pulled to the shrine still. ANet has done several AI updates

Leorin wasn't being ignorant, as I stated myself I was not one of the only ones who felt the title lessened the value of being 20 in pre. Leorin was stating an opinion.

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Originally Posted by Tetris L

I think it will.

Climbing from level 16 to 19 takes about 35k XP. That's roughly 230 level 20 striders. Levelling a Strider to level 20 takes well over 10 hours, unless you speed up the process with Frenzy / sacrificing, which means you can't go afk.

Do the math. What's your result?

Tetris you are more correct.

Level 16 each kill nets 2% xp
17=1%
18=1/2%
you getting the picture now?

pjfresh · Dec 12, 2006, 09:42 AM // 09:42

Hi all. I, too, am going for LDoA and thought I'd share any tips I've had that maybe will help some others out.

First thing, the OP (you know, that post WAY back at the beginning? lol) said that doing it with a ranger is tough. Not true! I do more than fine with my ranger and never have had trouble killing the charr on my own from lvl8 on. I use a flatbow to keep aggro solely on my pet in some instances and 'Read the Wind' as my prep. (not Ignite Arrows) to nail those kiting spellcasters my pet chases. Solo boss runs at lvl14/15 only took me ~10min. FYI

I am lvl16 and deathleveling ATM, so, yeah, I've hit the proverbial wall. The process of getting to lvl20 in pre definitely seems exponential

. Anyway, I'm thinking of installing GW on my laptop for the sole purpose of deathleveling my character, so I can program/play other games on my main machine. I just have to come back every 8-10hrs and "push the button" like John Locke on LOST

I am recently graduated and unemployed so I have the time to devote to this, but I think some people still don't fathom what they are getting themselves into (ie: read the last lines of God Apprentice's post above mine as well as Tetris's post). Unless I figure out the charr pulling technique, I don't suspect to have this title until a good way into 2007

(ie: months) I only have one acct, for the record, so I don't plan on death leveling all day, everyday until I have the title, so it might be diff. for you. I encourage people to stick with it if you really want it, but I do think there might be a dropout/quitter rate with this title akin to the Navy SEALs, heh.

I do my death leveling outside of the Duke's estate in Green Hills and always go for a spawn of 2/3 spider/moas around the res shrine. Can take 5-10 min. sometimes to get a good spawn, btw. As Tetris said, around 10 hrs to get a lvl20 enemy

Lastly, a tip for getting the gate open and soloing. emoxcore said it best (trade from below after player pulls the lever but DON'T zone until they map out). This will almost guarentee you a solo run free of money/xp leechers. I say 'almost' because I had the misfortune to have a real spiteful gate opener, 1 run away from lvl16, too, go figure

. Anyway, after zoning into the Northlands and giving him 50g, he proceeded to zone back to Lakeside, gloat and pat himself on the back for a well-conceived "scam", and mapped out. This got me thinking about a fool-proof way to get into the Northlands, but I realized if someone is really spiteful enough (using emoxcore's tactic) they'd just run back to Ascalon City and zone there. Ever other gate opener was great though, and I met a lot of cool and kind people along the way.

I am 'Stacy the Ranger', btw, so if you see me around, say hi! Adios for now.

Sedgehammer · Dec 12, 2006, 01:49 PM // 13:49

I have a question about how enemies gain experience. The striders are not in a party together. I sat and watched two striders attack me over and over and only one of them leveled for a long time. Does the one that gets the kill get the experience? And in that event, wouldn't death by Blood Renewal not give the kill/experience to the striders at all? I can't use Blood Renewal unless it's going to kill me, because the striders are too crappy to kill me with 2 health regeneration, even if my health is under 10.

Frenzy sounds like a plan, though. I might set something up on my laptop to just keep pressing the number for the skill slot frenzy is at.

^ I was thinking one of these guys would work really well to peck at numbers on a keyboard. Homemade macros ftw.

And on what Tetris said. If you have to kill 200+ level 20 striders and it takes 8-10 hours to get them to level 20, why don't we change the number of hours it takes to get from 16-19 on the initial post? Or has he already done that?

Quote:

Originally Posted by holyjew888

i just pay the greedy american bastards...

I'm American, play on the American servers, and my character's name is Niecie Kitty. Add me and let me know when you need help, I'll let you in for free.

Tetris L · Dec 12, 2006, 03:58 PM // 15:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by God Apprentice

Tetris you are more correct.

Level 16 each kill nets 2% xp
17=1%
18=1/2%
you getting the picture now?

These are the precise numbers:

Code:

Lvl | XP req. | XP gained | Kills | Percent 
n   | for n+1 | per kill  | req.  | per kill
-----------------------------------------------
16  | 11000   |    168    |  65   | 1/65 = 1.5%
17  | 11600   |    152    |  76   | 1/76 = 1.3%
18  | 12200   |    136    |  90   | 1/90 = 1.1%

Remark: "Kill" means a fully death-levelled level 20 foe.

You see that you need to kill 231 fully death-levelled foes to climb from level 16 to 19 alone. Assuming that you death level each foe overnight while you're afk (asleep .... zzzzzzzzz) you will need more than 7 months for that. And that's only the last part, not counting the time needed to climb to level 16.

I reckon all the impatient people will probably give up working on the title when they realize how long it will really take them.

Cronnie · Dec 12, 2006, 04:42 PM // 16:42

Thanks for the figures tetris, clears up a lot for me.

Still going for the title though :P

Holy C Ronnie (Mo9)

God Apprentice · Dec 12, 2006, 08:30 PM // 20:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tetris L

These are the precise numbers:

Code:

Lvl | XP req. | XP gained | Kills | Percent 
n   | for n+1 | per kill  | req.  | per kill
-----------------------------------------------
16  | 11000   |    168    |  65   | 1/65 = 1.5%
17  | 11600   |    152    |  76   | 1/76 = 1.3%
18  | 12200   |    136    |  90   | 1/90 = 1.1%

Remark: "Kill" means a fully death-levelled level 20 foe.

You see that you need to kill 231 fully death-levelled foes to climb from level 16 to 19 alone. Assuming that you death level each foe overnight while you're afk (asleep .... zzzzzzzzz) you will need more than 7 months for that. And that's only the last part, not counting the time needed to climb to level 16.

I reckon all the impatient people will probably give up working on the title when they realize how long it will really take them.

Thanks

Yeah that's why it only took Anti a month and a half back then, cause 20+ Charr at shrine made it faster lol, instead of 1 Moa now

blood4blood · Dec 12, 2006, 10:07 PM // 22:07

To save a little time: use Barradin's Estate instead of Ashford Abbey - you can start with level 2 Moss Spiders instead of level 1 striders, and it's a much shorter walk to the rez shrine (much quicker to zone in/out for a good spawn).

Covah · Dec 12, 2006, 10:09 PM // 22:09

I'm still going for LDoA with my mesmer Mr Littlejeans lvl 12 right now. But i'm remaking spooge and she will be going for LS.

amish lifeguard · Dec 12, 2006, 10:48 PM // 22:48

And how will you get LS?