Curse

ManadartheHealer · Jun 03, 2005, 12:43 AM // 00:43

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Originally Posted by evil.E

perhaps one day you'll grow a sack and not come off sounding like a flaccid little mama's boy.

"Oh noes my teammates insulted the Korean's... I'm so ashamed.. I must make ammends and hope that they understand I'm not like them. Oh I hope they don't hate me for this now."

I'm not saying it's right but FFS who cares? Perhaps in your petty little carebear world you imagine that making fun of them eating fido will get them so depressed and distraught that they end up killing themselves. Here's a newsflash, if they're playing an online game I highly doubt that they're so poor that they actually eat dogs. It'd be the same as me ribbing some guy from the south about eating road kill while we're both drinking coffee at Starbucks.

But I'm guessing that since this offended you so deeply that you were prolly the kid in school that ran to the teacher everytime anyone made fun of you. However in a place I like to call grown up world I highly doubt that some crap typed out by some moron over an ocean away gets little more reaction then "What an A--hole!".

Ironically that's prolly what you're saying right now. Funny how that works isn't it?

You didn't disprove their point...in fact, you may have reaffirmed their position. You should definitely just drop it...people can have different views, with neither being right or wrong.

Goonter · Jun 03, 2005, 12:49 AM // 00:49

Well, AAAANYways..

....Racisim isnt the only reason for this to idea to click. It has its other benefits. People all over have the same advantages and oppertunitys. It helps the PvP and PvE comminuty work for each other. Thats noting a few.

The Virago · Jun 03, 2005, 02:19 AM // 02:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by evil.E

perhaps one day you'll grow a sack and not come off sounding like a flaccid little mama's boy.

"Oh noes my teammates insulted the Korean's... I'm so ashamed.. I must make ammends and hope that they understand I'm not like them. Oh I hope they don't hate me for this now."

I'm not saying it's right but FFS who cares? Perhaps in your petty little carebear world you imagine that making fun of them eating fido will get them so depressed and distraught that they end up killing themselves. Here's a newsflash, if they're playing an online game I highly doubt that they're so poor that they actually eat dogs. It'd be the same as me ribbing some guy from the south about eating road kill while we're both drinking coffee at Starbucks.

But I'm guessing that since this offended you so deeply that you were prolly the kid in school that ran to the teacher everytime anyone made fun of you. However in a place I like to call grown up world I highly doubt that some crap typed out by some moron over an ocean away gets little more reaction then "What an A--hole!".

Ironically that's prolly what you're saying right now. Funny how that works isn't it?

Point = proven. Got to love being right.

p.s.: Women don't have sacks. So tell me, did yours drop yet, kid?

@Goonter -- Agreed. Juvenile stupidity like racial jibes when you get your butt handed to you have no place in a game.

Chro · Jun 03, 2005, 09:12 AM // 09:12

*just want to point out that using racist insult doesn't make you racist*

not that I use racist insults myself (tho I'm fond of racist jokes but that's another topic). but from reading you it appears that some of you believe that anyone who insults the oposing team (on the only thing they know about it (it's nationality)) makes him a racist.

tho i'm totaly against it, tho when korean are insulting us it makes me laugh, nothing more.. and I feel my mates are prety stupid when they do.
that's it. no big deal imo.

btw, my best friend is korean and I use to call him "the yellow one" does it makes me racist ?

ok that's a bit off topic.

Poppinjay · Jun 03, 2005, 09:47 AM // 09:47

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Originally Posted by Chro

*just want to point out that using racist insult doesn't make you racist*

But one who uses racist insults should not be surprised at being identified as a racist. One can only know you from your actions. If you actions are racist, then it is reasonable to assume that there are racists thoughts behind them.

Further, lots of people who are in fact racist, or bigots, don't self-identify with racism or other forms of bigotry. Fundamentalist Christians deny being bigots even as they continually act to limit gay rights. And I have heard many people say statement which follow the following template: "I dont hate (black people/asians/homosexuals/indians/people from the middle east) but...(some racist statement)."

Poppinjay

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Burem · Jun 03, 2005, 09:59 AM // 09:59

That's a valid point. I also enjoy racist jokes (they're funny, admit it) and sometimes say things that sound racist but my friends know that the sentiment behind it is not as such.

<Equal oportunity offender.

The Virago · Jun 03, 2005, 01:14 PM // 13:14

A joke is a joke because it is funny... How funny you think something is often depends upon how true you think it is... jokes that are based upon another race being stupid, prone to do X, or thinking like Y are based upon the concept that you are somehow superior to that behavior because you are one race and the butt of the joke is of another.

So yes, generally speaking, if you enjoy bigotry as a means of expressing your superiority, and find jokes that support your bigotry amusing, chances are you are, indeed, a bigot.

And yes, if you believe because they are X and you are Y, that makes it funny, then chances are, indeed, you are a racist to boot.

As society understands and embraces how our humor and thinking affect our ability to progress as a species and live in harmony upon the planet, things like seperatism and bigroty naturally become less and less rewarded. One day, jokes will be about bigots and racists... instead of about the folks they hated.

Personally, I look forward to it.

Chro · Jun 03, 2005, 01:44 PM // 13:44

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Originally Posted by The Virago

jokes that are based upon another race being stupid, prone to do X, or thinking like Y are based upon the concept that you are somehow superior to that behavior because you are one race and the butt of the joke is of another.

supperior ? ever heard of the word different ?

we're all different so why not joke about it

anyway this is getting more and more offtopic

The Virago · Jun 03, 2005, 02:06 PM // 14:06

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Originally Posted by Chro

supperior ? ever heard of the word different ?

we're all different so why not joke about it

anyway this is getting more and more offtopic

Different does not imply inferiority. Jokes do. Get it?

Chro · Jun 03, 2005, 02:13 PM // 14:13

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Originally Posted by The Virago

Different does not imply inferiority. Jokes do. Get it?

I just don't agree.

The Virago · Jun 03, 2005, 02:20 PM // 14:20

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Originally Posted by Chro

I just don't agree.

Obviously. I suppose it makes some feel better to have another to put down. But that says more about the flagging esteem than anything.

It's never a 'big deal' to those who do it. And they never seem to have the level of awareness to understand why it is to those they do it to.... shameful, really.

Goonter · Jun 03, 2005, 03:07 PM // 15:07

I believe there is large about of confussion here is because what really makes a person a racisit or anything of that nature is thier intentionality. (imo) Not so much of the words that fly out of there mouths. Take for instances a child thats brutally honest. He may not be able to judge you by how different you are, but he will say things that remind you of how different you are, because a child will say whats on his mind.

Words in themselves are not really that offencive. They are just sounds. Its whats behind the words thats upsetting. So in some instances a person may call me something ugly. When I know I can call him something ugly back and we both find it funny, we have an understanding, we are equals, we probably share a bond. If another person says the exact same thing and I dont know him, then we have a problem.

We live in a world that often takes words directed towards us at face value. Because of this, I found it best to say things about people that I want them to hear, as it may shape thier opinion about themselves and about me. I dont want people to feel infurior, and I dont want people to look at me as if Im suprior. (which usually backfires anyhow, and people would think Im a dumbass or a jerk instead)

Racisim has its degrees. A lot of people that are racisit in america today dont even know they are. Ive had to and a lot of other people I know had to come from under old ideas and generalizations about people into a new realization of people of different cultures.

Fate · Jun 03, 2005, 04:38 PM // 16:38

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Originally Posted by Mimu

Since it is PvP guilds who unlock the favour of the gods, and PvE players who benefit from it..there is no way that would work.

I can see how some people may have problems with the Country V Country side of this game, but I myself am yet to run into anyone openly making racist comments because of it.

However, if it is a problem then changing the names to those of the Guild Wars gods may be a wise decision.

Have you BEEN to the Temple fo Ages when the USA doesn't have favor? It's "Damn Koreans" and "I hate Korea" every 5 seconds!

kungfumonkey2 · Jun 03, 2005, 05:22 PM // 17:22

I do not like the intentional segregation of country. Look at this, why are we America? Why aren't we North America? And Korea, Asia? I mean they conglomerated the European (Germany, Great Britian, Poland, Italy) countries into Europe. If it were changed then to continent, then you if you say D*** Asians instead of D*** Koreans it is a lot larger spectrum of societes. Because Asia includes Russia (Yes Russians are asians), All of the Gulf Arab Countries, China, India etc... You are not just hating KOREANS or AMERICANS. Again for some reason I feel that the Europeans have lead the way for unity. This would be a very easy fix to the problem and would take a simple renaming of server districts.

As far as racism goes, I do not care for it, nor partake in it. But, the 1st Admentment is the freedom of Speech. I feel that if these people paid their $ for the game then they have as much right to offend as defend any issue, topic or belief as they please. As much as anyone else.

My guess is that the Koreans make as much fun of the Americans, as the Americans do the Koreans. Plus they know what we (Americans)are saying about them, but Americans generally dont know what they are saying about us. Cause one thing you must keep in mind is that most people around the world speak/understand english as a 2nd language. Where as very few Americans speak a 2nd language.

Theus · Jun 03, 2005, 05:37 PM // 17:37

The whole point behind country vs country is to bring up your chances of having a group of people who all speak one language.

And anyone who hates one country just because another country took control..

Is a Eff'in idiot who needs take another try at a thing called "Rational Thinking".

kungfumonkey2 · Jun 03, 2005, 05:41 PM // 17:41

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Originally Posted by Theus

The whole point behind country vs country is to bring up your chances of having a group of people who all speak one language.

And anyone who hates one country just because another country took control..

Is a Eff'in idiot who needs take another try at a thing called "Rational Thinking".

You think that is for language sake that they have country vs country? What about Europe where you drive for 4 hours in any direction and you are in a new country speaking another language? Yet they have a single server labled EUROPE. They have servers dedicated for language from the recent updates, so that people to choose to speak in say spanish can go to the spanish server and speak spanish.

I concure with your "Rational thinking" theory, and do my best to adhere to it.

Theus · Jun 03, 2005, 05:46 PM // 17:46

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Originally Posted by kungfumonkey2

You think that is for language sake that they have country vs country? What about Europe where you drive for 4 hours in any direction and you are in a new country speaking another language? Yet they have a single server labled EUROPE. They have servers dedicated for language from the recent updates, so that people to choose to speak in say spanish can go to the spanish server and speak spanish.

I concure with you "Rational thinking" theory, and do my best to adhere to it.

Even with the deity vs deity..teams name are still in german/english/korean..

So even so..there would still be racial discrimination.

kungfumonkey2 · Jun 03, 2005, 05:53 PM // 17:53

Is the conclusion that we will never eliminte racism?

Although I say do not judge a book by its cover. Most all of my characters have Arabic names, but I am a true blue American.

I just disagree with the seperation of Korea and America servers while Europe is united. I feel that our Canadian gamers should maybe say something about this. I know they HATE being lumped in with America. I vote for a server name change to North America, and Asia. Even if we discriminate against continents then at least we are doing it as a unified people from our part of the hemisphere. j/k

evil.E · Jun 03, 2005, 06:24 PM // 18:24

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Originally Posted by The Virago

Point = proven. Got to love being right.
p.s.: Women don't have sacks. So tell me, did yours drop yet, kid?

what exactly are you right about? the fact that you're overly sensitive? well then you proved that in spades. so you claim you're a woman well growing a sack also means grow up and open your eyes.

Oh and as for the utterly lame trash talk on your part, please try harder next time. OMG you insulted my manhood and called me a kid.

Well by your rational you should feel ashamed and be falling all over yourself trying to apologize. please spare the whole self righteous act you're putting on.

tell me are you one of those people that sees a starving child on the television says "how awful, someone should do something about that." then goes about eating their dinner? Ah hypocrisy got to love it.

IMO the premise of this whole thread has no point other then making some overly sensitive types feel better about themselves. so instead of saying korea we call it Dwayna BFD. do you really think that's gonna stop anyone from spewing the fido jokes? Perhaps in carebear land things work that way but in the real world as soon as the first bit of korean text appears on the screen the fido jokes will resume. Or are you just overlooking the fact that korean players' names are displayed in korean text?

If the point here is to make it so that players' countries are transparent, then you've got a long road ahead of you before you actually get something like that to work the way you want it to. I'm also willing to bet that the devs have a lot better things to do then cater to a few folks that get their panties in a bunch everytime someone says something mean to another player.

ShotGunBunny · Jun 05, 2005, 11:48 AM // 11:48

I guess most of you here are American?
Because there is nothing less unified than Europe, in the game, and in RL, especialy now that Anet made seperate servers for each language.

The standard Euro player: only wants to join guilds of his own nationality
The standard <country name here> player: only wants to join parties or guild of his own nationality
The true nationalist: only joins, trades, speaks with people of his own nationalty.

The worst part is that in Europe you can clearly see where someone comes from by his language, although they'll have that in the Korean server too, i suppose.

Anyways, i think you should be assigned a deity when you create your char, so the amount of followers will all be equal, and you should not or only at a very high cost be able to change your deity, or else everyone will be changing when the favor of the gods is gained for a specific deity.

ps: @Evil.e + The Virago, can we just ignore each other in peace and drop off-topic posts?

Oops, after actualy taking the time to read evil.E's last post i concluded that he really is a moron and just came on this thread to throw a fight with someone and that he didn't and still doesn't have any intentions to read or contribute to this thread.