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internopsp · Jun 28, 2005, 11:13 PM // 23:13

Especially in pvp.

Ok lets do this out

IF everyone has the same armor (not the same looking armor but all the stats are within 5 points of each other) same stat weapons and same stat runes that how the hell is that a challenge in pvp?

its like fighting your damn clone. the team that wins is the team with the better strat/monk

Im not talking about uber weapons like 45-60 but ATLEAST a chance for a player who plays alot to work his way to refine/buy/find a weapon that has a little higher stats than others

OMG HE HAS A 20-25 SWORD and i only have 18-24 I R DOOMED........

or HE HAS A SUP VIGOR AND HAS 40 MORE HEALTH THAN ME.

wtf. If the game is suppose to be TOTALLY equal than whats the point in playing? You will be just as good as the next guy......

EternalTempest · Jun 28, 2005, 11:18 PM // 23:18

It's about skills, strategy and how you use em.

Similar equipment puts you on the same platform as everyone else.

It's how you fight, what skill combo's you use how well it works against other types, how quick are you to adapt.

If you have two jobs you have about 150 skills and can only choose 8 covering 8 diffrent types of magic / abilities.

Castanza · Jun 28, 2005, 11:20 PM // 23:20

i am going to assume that you haven't played much pvp

The design of this game is such that armor and weapons are not meant to matter much in pvp, instead it is how well you use your 8 skills, this is where the game sets it self apart from many other mmorpgs in that you have to know how to work well with a team, know what skills they are using and build your skills so that they work well with the rest of your team.

The focus is on skill use and when both players are equal in weapons and armour then you will find out who is better at using their skills, which is the whole point of the game

A-net said from the begging that this game is not desinged to JUST bennifit those who play forever. They do this by making all the armor comparable to each other.

Dreamsmith · Jun 28, 2005, 11:26 PM // 23:26

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Originally Posted by internopsp

IF everyone has the same armor (not the same looking armor but all the stats are within 5 points of each other) same stat weapons and same stat runes that how the hell is that a challenge in pvp?

It's a hell of a lot more challenging than if I have better equipment.

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wtf. If the game is suppose to be TOTALLY equal than whats the point in playing? You will be just as good as the next guy......

Nope. Give people equal opportunity, and it quickly becomes obvious that not everyone is equally good.

Do you think you could beat Gary Kasparov in a game of chess? You both start with equal pieces, that means you're just as good as he is, right?

EternalTempest · Jun 28, 2005, 11:42 PM // 23:42

If you look at just my Elementalist skills areas I can chose from Fire, Cold, Earth, Air. (ignore my sub job completely)

If I will be a fire mage, I can do great Area of Effect spells but my weakness is being rushed or take to long to cast spells, but if say if someone else makes you hard to move out of the way watch out.

If I am an air mage I have very nice direct damage fast casting spells that can drop you quick. Mind you be out of magic overall and if your friends rush me, etc.

If I am an earth mage

I have access to great protection spells for me or large area around me that nulls damage, I may have one or two offensive spells.

If I am a cold mage, good blend of damage / status afflicting spells.

This is just small example of all the things I could be regardless of my armor / weapon.

Now do I take Fire and mix it with another type to have both, do just one or mix it with one of the 4 area's of differences from my sub (from 5 diffrent subs to choose from) offer.

derrtyboy69 · Jun 28, 2005, 11:45 PM // 23:45

umm, first off, who is Gary Kasparov? obviously a chess player, but how bout something more practical: If you were the same weight and height and equipment as alex rodrigez, would you be as good as him? HELL NO (yankees suck) this game was, and is, the first game that you dont have to spend 800 hours farming for a great item. Because then, a guild of people that do this for ever would dominate the HoH, and the balance would be lost. People spend hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to get the best equipment, mostly because it looks good. this is stupid (not that i dont it). But you can simply make a PvP character with perfect equipment, except they dont have constant dmg weapons

deathwearer · Jun 28, 2005, 11:47 PM // 23:47

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Originally Posted by Dreamsmith

Do you think you could beat Gary Kasparov in a game of chess? You both start with equal pieces, that means you're just as good as he is, right?

ok.... LOL

theclam · Jun 28, 2005, 11:59 PM // 23:59

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Originally Posted by internopsp

the team that wins is the team with the better strat/monk

This is how it is supposed to be and how it should be.

nechronius · Jun 29, 2005, 12:26 AM // 00:26

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Originally Posted by derrtyboy69

If you were the same weight and height and equipment as alex rodrigez, would you be as good as him?

Who is alex rodrigez?

Spike · Jun 29, 2005, 12:43 AM // 00:43

when will people realise pvp IS BOREING and no challange. this is why pvpers complain all the time it gave them something to do. (just in case people don't get this its called SARCASM

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Aidan Gawain · Jun 29, 2005, 01:00 AM // 01:00

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Originally Posted by internopsp

wtf. If the game is suppose to be TOTALLY equal than whats the point in playing? You will be just as good as the next guy......

Just becasue the characters are equal, that doesn't mean the players behind them are. Not all players have equal strategy and reflexes, and that's how matches are determined. It is truely Player vs. Player, not just a comparison of who's unlocked the ub3r gear.

If you have good strategy and reflexes, this is a big plus for you. If all you have is a lot of time on your hands with which to grind for the ub3r gear, this is a big minus.

Dumachum · Jun 29, 2005, 01:02 AM // 01:02

PvP is kind of boring. GW has been out for like 2 months and we have all of about half a dozen different model builds out there. There's the Air spikers, the minion horders, the enchantment stacking smite bitches, the condition spammers, and the spirit spammers. After that you have all the dead warrior based builds that no one uses anymore since beta.

This isn't really strategy or skill after you get to a certain threshold. Human limitations sees to that. It's my rock smashes your scissors and once we kick your ass out of HoH you'll come back in 15 minutes later (exploiting the quick jump bug) with your "paper build" and kick us out. And the cycle loops to infinity.

ComMan · Jun 29, 2005, 01:35 AM // 01:35

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Originally Posted by nechronius

Who is alex rodrigez?

Curses! I was going to say that!

Making better stuff doesn't equal more challenge. That just means that only people who have spent 500 hours to get the best stuff and play the PvP...against people with equal stuff who also spent 500 hours getting it.

internopsp · Jun 29, 2005, 01:35 AM // 01:35

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Originally Posted by Dumachum

PvP is kind of boring. GW has been out for like 2 months and we have all of about half a dozen different model builds out there. There's the Air spikers, the minion horders, the enchantment stacking smite bitches, the condition spammers, and the spirit spammers. After that you have all the dead warrior based builds that no one uses anymore since beta.

This isn't really strategy or skill after you get to a certain threshold. Human limitations sees to that. It's my rock smashes your scissors and once we kick your ass out of HoH you'll come back in 15 minutes later (exploiting the quick jump bug) with your "paper build" and kick us out. And the cycle loops to infinity.

quick jump bug?

Tellani Artini · Jun 29, 2005, 01:53 AM // 01:53

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Originally Posted by internopsp

quick jump bug?

Yeah, apparently you press alt-f4 to go straight to HoH. Never tried it, but everyone on the other teams said it would work..

DarrenJasper · Jun 29, 2005, 01:53 AM // 01:53

This thread is a motherlode of misinformation

goku19123 · Jun 29, 2005, 02:16 AM // 02:16

Hmmm....equal playing field...I believe then the challenge is beating other people with something that some people call "skill," instead of "time spent."

Eos · Jun 29, 2005, 02:31 AM // 02:31

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Originally Posted by internopsp

Especially in pvp.

Ok lets do this out

IF everyone has the same armor (not the same looking armor but all the stats are within 5 points of each other) same stat weapons and same stat runes that how the hell is that a challenge in pvp?

OMG HE HAS A 20-25 SWORD and i only have 18-24 I R DOOMED........

or HE HAS A SUP VIGOR AND HAS 40 MORE HEALTH THAN ME.

wtf. If the game is suppose to be TOTALLY equal than whats the point in playing? You will be just as good as the next guy......

You, sir have completely missed the point of the entire game. You might as well free up some hard drive space 'cause it seems like you really don't understand. You did give me a nice laugh though.

ManadartheHealer · Jun 29, 2005, 04:19 AM // 04:19

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Originally Posted by DarrenJasper

This thread is a motherlode of misinformation

Quoted for truth

DrSLUGFly · Jun 29, 2005, 04:50 AM // 04:50

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Originally Posted by internopsp

the team that wins is the team with the better strat (strategy) / monk (player skill)

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If the game is suppose to be TOTALLY equal than whats the point in playing?

I know it's already been pointed out, but it's good for a laugh to quote it again.