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holyjew888 · Jul 10, 2005, 05:53 PM // 17:53

no offense u guys this is a pretty dumb arguement all opinions let agree to disagree the one person i have seen give reasonable answers is rts firebat he has said it all right there listen to him he seems to know wat he is talkin about ok?? well this thread is crap and that settles it

CaptainGuru · Jul 10, 2005, 06:47 PM // 18:47

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Originally Posted by holyjew888

no offense u guys this is a pretty dumb arguement all opinions let agree to disagree the one person i have seen give reasonable answers is rts firebat he has said it all right there listen to him he seems to know wat he is talkin about ok?? well this thread is crap and that settles it

No. rts firebat doesn't know what he was talkin about. Many of the mmorpgs have come with solution to overcome such calamities. If you would have to have played other mmorpg to under.

Spike: You fight in the beginning, Fissure and UW that's it. PvPers have to go through the game to get every move they don't get with their premade characters.

And since GW beat out WoW in sales at one point, it safe to say that we have over half a million to a million players playing in this game. Half of them play PvP or PvE. You're telling me, you observed over 500,000 players in PvE. That's total BS. Just because you were on a couple of district doesn't make any of your information true. And like I said, 25% of the people who do PvE go to pvp anyway (Promising and optimistic players remember.) so you are are looking at 750,000 pvper players to 250,000 pve player. But the numbers don't matter since you did observe that many people. And how do you know you did run into the same person? People do change districts and you could met the same person. Last, but least, not everybody is standing around in PvE areas all day. They are instances do quest or missions.

All the reason more that your information is total BS. It isn't even opinion. It's just you being a big ass baby about the arguement.

Spike · Jul 11, 2005, 03:17 PM // 15:17

The only person spouting total BS around here is YOU captain guru. Did you pick those numbers out of thin air. Do you have ANY FACTS AT ALL. Or do you just spout BS (as most pvpers do) Also if anyone around here does'nt know what he is talking about that would be YOU.

I have played other mmorpgs and seen them ruined by pvpers like you self EG star wars galaxies which got ruined by the CU, which pvpers keeping going on about and saying how pvp was now balanced dispite the fact it runined the game for the other 90% of people who did'nt pvp.

Lol I think you have a few to many zeros in your numbers. Try 750 people pvping rather than 750k. As usual you got your numbers mixed up AT LEAST 75% of people PVE and NOTHING ELSE. It probley closer to 80 or even 85%.

Anyone KNOW how many people play GW or how many people can be in a district before its full. FACTS only please no more pvp BS.

CaptainGuru · Jul 11, 2005, 03:35 PM // 15:35

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Originally Posted by Spike

The only person spouting total BS around here is YOU captain guru. Did you pick those numbers out of thin air.

I'm former WoW players, and around before I left WoW in March, I saw how the article about the number of players that joined over the course of time and it was over 1 million. GW when it came for it's first and a half month, I saw the sells charts, and GW out sold WoW (WoW 500,000 copies in it's first month, which you can read up on the WoW website by the way) so GW close to million and if not million players already.

So you can stop with the petty first to regain your ego.

arnansnow · Jul 11, 2005, 03:38 PM // 15:38

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Originally Posted by CaptainGuru

I'm former WoW players, and around before I left WoW in March, I saw how the article about the number of players that joined over the course of time and it was over 1 million. GW when it came for it's first and a half month, I saw the sells charts, and GW out sold WoW (WoW 500,000 copies in it's first month, which you can read up on the WoW website by the way) so GW close to million and if not million players already.

So you can stop with the petty first to regain your ego.

You did pick the percentages of people doing PvE and PvP out of thin air though. I don't believe that only 25% of the players do PvE.

RTSFirebat · Jul 11, 2005, 03:40 PM // 15:40

Thanks for the kind words... on the note the name is RTSFirebat... one word

I find that people are finding it hard to believe that is game is both PvE and PvP.

As it stands once you complete the current story (Chapter 1) you are given little option but to do PvP, which isn't bad.

However somewhere along the line someone has stated that PvP is the primary part of the game, which is not true at all, this isn't given stated by A.net themselves, nor is it promoted in any of their ads I've seen in computer magazines... in fact I have one with me now, which has the text:

"Provde your worth in a world where skill, not hours played, decides victory"

"No monhtly fees"

"Travel instantly to the beginning of any quest you've unlocked"

No talk of PvE or PvP being primary there... people need to face facts... this game is trying to give the best of both world, and people are trying to get more of their share of the pie!

If we all learn to enjoy both PvE and PvP it be better. personally I like PvE more since it gives me access to a massive world filled with things to see, people to meet and stuff to do.

Then again I like PvP because its fun and interesting to find different people, and lets face it... we all like win a battle.

People who purely PvE or PvP are simply reducing their scope and understand of different parts of a game... this is a CO-OP RPG... it provides for both parties plain and simple... so lets stop the hate!

After thinking about it a bit A.net most likely wants everyone to play the story mode at least once, which seems fair to me. But maybe adding a single priest of balthzar in the LOIN'S ARCH arena starting area would be fair.

Since that's where all pure PvP characters tend to go, that and the Tombs.

CaptainGuru · Jul 11, 2005, 03:47 PM // 15:47

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Originally Posted by arnansnow

You did pick the percentages of people doing PvE and PvP out of thin air though. I don't believe that only 25% of the players do PvE.

Quote, "50% of the people are pvpers and the other 50% are pve. Out of the 50% of those who pve, half of them are the opimistic player (who will pve until he/she reaches end game) or the promising player. (who is just pve to get skills or items for a class)

So only 25% of the players in pve are really serious about. (Their reason for pveing doesn't even matter.)"

This means it's half and half, but on the PVE side, 50% of the pvers are going to pvp anyway once they get all the moves/ruins/equipment or they play through the game. Either way, the extra 25% comes from PvE players who come adventuring into PvP arenas.

arnansnow · Jul 11, 2005, 03:49 PM // 15:49

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Originally Posted by CaptainGuru

Quote, "50% of the people are pvpers and the other 50% are pve. Out of the 50% of those who pve, half of them are the opimistic player (who will pve until he/she reaches end game) or the promising player. (who is just pve to get skills or items for a class)

So only 25% of the players in pve are really serious about. (Their reason for pveing doesn't even matter.)"

This means it's half and half, but on the PVE side, 50% of the pvers are going to pvp anyway once they get all the moves/ruins/equipment or they play through the game. Either way, the extra 25% comes from PvE players who come adventuring into PvP arenas.

You still made all that up on the spot. I don't believe 50% of the PvE players only play to get skills/items.

RTSFirebat · Jul 11, 2005, 03:53 PM // 15:53

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Originally Posted by CaptainGuru

Quote, "50% of the people are pvpers and the other 50% are pve. Out of the 50% of those who pve, half of them are the opimistic player (who will pve until he/she reaches end game) or the promising player. (who is just pve to get skills or items for a class)

So only 25% of the players in pve are really serious about. (Their reason for pveing doesn't even matter.)"

This means it's half and half, but on the PVE side, 50% of the pvers are going to pvp anyway once they get all the moves/ruins/equipment or they play through the game. Either way, the extra 25% comes from PvE players who come adventuring into PvP arenas.

Again your just guessing, which is fine. But unless A.net gives us figures... which I sure they won't... since they already stated they wouldn't... it remains as a guess.

so guessing the percentages remains just that... a guess. so your arugment is somewhat groundless.

I know plenty of PvE player who want nothing to do with PvP... just doesn't interest them.

CaptainGuru · Jul 11, 2005, 03:59 PM // 15:59

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Originally Posted by RTSFirebat

I find that people are finding it hard to believe that is game is both PvE and PvP.

Just as they are people who can't believe it isn't.

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Originally Posted by RTSFirebat

"Provde your worth in a world where skill, not hours played, decides victory"

"No monhtly fees"

"Travel instantly to the beginning of any quest you've unlocked"

Those quotes prove nothing.

1) Players who've played past MMOs before anyone else had a lot of skill making it impossible to catch up with them in PvP. This is the situation that happened in both NWN and WoW.

2) A lot people in my last forum said during beta forum that if this game made you pay, they wouldn't have bought. This wasn't the talk of the town on it's first day ya know.

3) Because everyone got tired of taking hours to run across the world.

Also what you didn't post is the fact that they said equipment didn't matter when pvping and they were going to have international tournments.

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Originally Posted by RTSFirebat

After thinking about it a bit A.net most likely wants everyone to play the story mode at least once, which seems fair to me. But maybe adding a single priest of balthzar in the LOIN'S ARCH arena starting area would be fair.

No, they make decisions to please players on both sides. They tried draw more players in, but player aren't allowing themsevles to get draw into it.

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Originally Posted by RTSFirebat

Since that's where all pure PvP characters tend to go, that and the Tombs.

Anyway.

RTSFirebat · Jul 11, 2005, 04:03 PM // 16:03

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Originally Posted by CaptainGuru

Just as they are people who can't believe it isn't.

Well I've tried to reason with you, ut clearly you have a one track mind. So I leave this tread to it.

Not my fault you can't see whats on the other side of the wall.

CaptainGuru · Jul 11, 2005, 04:23 PM // 16:23

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Originally Posted by RTSFirebat

Again your just guessing, which is fine. But unless A.net gives us figures... which I sure they won't... since they already stated they wouldn't... it remains as a guess.

so guessing the percentages remains just that... a guess. so your arugment is somewhat groundless.

I know plenty of PvE player who want nothing to do with PvP... just doesn't interest them.

Seem three people are math illiterate because it called statistics. Statistics is configure numbers based on presented information. I got the number of players based on the sell charts and the number of game copies of WoW sold during it's 3 month period.

50% play either pvp or pve. Now configuration is neither wrong or right because I contest there are more players in PvP than PvE, just as Spike can contest they are more players in PvE so it's safe to say it's 50/50. Though, out of the 50% of pvers, 50% of the player are serious about pve and the other 50% players are a pve/pvp blend. With half the PvE players engaging in PvP, that would make the majority of pvpers a 75 percentage.

By the way, I know I'm not the only person who plays PvE to get items, skills or equipment for pvp.

Furthermore, having gone through the game all the way to Kryta, I notice less and less pve players in each area I come to as I get to Kryta. If I judge the game the way Spike does, proof of what I say would be the number of players you meet in a high level areas, which is rather low compare to low level areas between Post-searing and Frost Gate.

I forgot to add that you also have to base the game statistic on the game's high-end content, which is pvp.

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Well I've tried to reason with you, ut clearly you have a one track mind. So I leave this tread to it.

Not my fault you can't see whats on the other side of the wall.

All I can say is Pot...Kettle. Your opinion means just as much as mine. Don't get mad because your opinion deaf. If you want your opinion to stand out make sure it's has on experience, knowledge and most of all facts.

Acheus Lokine · Jul 11, 2005, 04:26 PM // 16:26

You people have problems. All I wanted was to suggest a simple change to allow the spending of faction points in PvP areas. You guys turned it into a flame war. Thanks.

Icarium · Jul 11, 2005, 04:40 PM // 16:40

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Originally Posted by CaptainGuru

Seem three people are math illiterate because it called statistics. Statistics is configure numbers based on presented information. I got the number of players based on the sell charts and the number of game copies of WoW sold during it's 3 month period.

50% play either pvp or pve. Now configuration is neither wrong or right because I contest there are more players in PvP than PvE and just as Spike can contest they are more players in 50 so it's safe to say it's 50/50. Though, out of the 50% of pvers, 50% of the player are serious about pve and the other 50% players are a pve/pvp blend. With half the PvE players engaging in PvP, that would make the majority of pvpers a 75 percentage.

Sigh . . the whole point of stats is that they can be backed up . . .stating over and over the same thing with NO links to back it up is sad. And no when your going with numbers . . it is most certainly NOT "safe" to say. is it safe to say 2+2=158 ? no not really, not even close. And even then, not all stats are relible such as " did you know 100% of people who had cancer last year lived on planet earth" . . . . irrelavent , but you *could* still argue that earth is cancer causing . . . . . not trying to piss you off, but THIS is why nobody is taking you seriosly.

CaptainGuru · Jul 11, 2005, 05:04 PM // 17:04

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Originally Posted by Icarium

Sigh . . the whole point of stats is that they can be backed up . . .stating over and over the same thing with NO links to back it up is sad. And no when your going with numbers . .

You're not little boy nor am I your butler so you can either...

1) You go to World of Warcraft official website.

2) Go to Gamefaqs.com and ask around.

3) Look up the sales charts on google.

Other that you can shut up.

Quote, "50% play either pvp or pve. Now configuration is neither wrong or right because I contest there are more players in PvP than PvE, just as Spike can contest they are more players in PvE so it's safe to say it's 50/50."

arnansnow · Jul 11, 2005, 05:05 PM // 17:05

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Originally Posted by CaptainGuru

You're not little boy nor am I your butler so you can either...

1) You go to World of Warcraft official website.

2) Go to Gamefaqs.com and ask around.

3) Look up the sales charts on google.

Other that you can shut up.

Those may help with the overal amount of people, but not with the percentages you list.

CaptainGuru · Jul 11, 2005, 05:07 PM // 17:07

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Originally Posted by arnansnow

Those may help with the overal amount of people, but not with the percentages you list.

Gee, there is lot of people who can't read detail.

Eder · Jul 11, 2005, 05:17 PM // 17:17

It's funny how your made up statistic model goes from "either people who mainly PvE or people who mainly PvP are the majority" (which is just stating the obvious, not granting any solid basis for any assumptions) to "therefore 75% of everyone playing the game plays PvP at least a little" (which you seem to think you've proven, but you haven't).

No offense, but you're doing statistics like those high school kids which think the chance of winning the lottery is 50% because you either win or you don't - and to top it off you're being rude to people who have tried to point this out.

Icarium · Jul 11, 2005, 05:25 PM // 17:25

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Originally Posted by CaptainGuru

You're not little boy nor am I your butler so you can either...

1) You go to World of Warcraft official website.

2) Go to Gamefaqs.com and ask around.

3) Look up the sales charts on google.

Other that you can shut up.

Quote, "50% play either pvp or pve. Now configuration is neither wrong or right because I contest there are more players in PvP than PvE and just as Spike can contest they are more players in 50 so it's safe to say it's 50/50."

okay . . .like i said i wasnt tying to piss you off, but whatever. . . . First . . now pay attention, numbers are ABSOLUTE 5 does not = 9 it will NEVER equal 9 . . . .therfore "safe to say" is meaningless. dont "contest" anything unless your prepared to BACK IT UP
"50% play either pvp or pve"
WHERE are you getting this from ? total sales will tell you just that, THE SALES . . .to guess at anything more . . . is just GUESSING

And why should i or anybody else try to backup your BS ?? IM not the one trying to browbeat a forum into seeing the game from my point of view . .YOU are . .
come on now, being pissy with me and others, for calling you on your crap is silly . unless you have anything of SUBSTANCE to add . . quit arguing and attempt to grow up

CaptainGuru · Jul 11, 2005, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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Originally Posted by Eder

It's funny how your made up statistic model goes from "either people who mainly PvE or people who mainly PvP are the majority" (which is just stating the obvious, not granting any solid basis for any assumptions) to "therefore 75% of everyone playing the game plays PvP at least a little" (which you seem to think you've proven, but you haven't).

English, please.

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Originally Posted by Icarium

okay . . .like i said i wasnt tying to piss you off, but whatever. . . . First . . now pay attention, numbers are ABSOLUTE 5 does not = 9 it will NEVER equal 9 . . . .

Why are you using absolute number when statistics is based on ratios, probability, rounding and percentages? Do you even know what you are arguing about anymore? I knew what I was arguing about in beginning. You see to have diverge from your own point, if there ever was one.

WHERE are you getting this from ? total sales will tell you just that, THE SALES . . .to guess at anything more . . . is just GUESSING

Again, I don't need to look the information up for you. When someone makes an agitation, I looked the information up myself. You're not a kid and I'm not your bulter so you need to information, look it up for yourself. I named the source find it your damn self. Unless you got proof that the information is false other than your opinion, you can't say someone else's information is false. Other than that you're suffering from a big case of the ostrich syndrome.