Curse

knives · Jul 10, 2005, 09:34 PM // 21:34

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Originally Posted by Guild Powder

It's not fair anet makes it so hard to complete game with new char. We already did it once. Just give us UAS and access to all places we have been

If its so hard to complete the game with a new char, how the hell did you do it with your first? Its the exact same thing, only that you are using a different proffession, which means you must use a different strategy. Not the "Use mending, and just hack at everything with my w/mo that is so godly and 1337 and uber and better than everyone else."

Oh, I already bought this computer, just give me another free one just like it just because I have already bought one before. If you were the salesperson, would you give me the computer?

knives · Jul 10, 2005, 09:36 PM // 21:36

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Originally Posted by hotspur

OK thanks, & whats at Droknars Forge to make it worth while to pay?

Don't pay (or do) one if you don't know whats there. Plain and simple. If this is your first PvE char, then don't. Trust me. You wouldn't want to get bored with a game you payed for just because of a mistake you made halfway through.

hotspur · Jul 10, 2005, 09:41 PM // 21:41

^ hehe, I wouldnt pay, whats the point in that?

Drakron · Jul 10, 2005, 09:41 PM // 21:41

First PvE characters unlike have the funds to pay the rusher, let alone afford to craft the armor (a set will cost 7.500 gp + materials).

knives · Jul 10, 2005, 09:43 PM // 21:43

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Originally Posted by Drakron

First PvE characters unlike have the funds to pay the rusher, let alone afford to craft the armor (a set will cost 7.500 gp + materials).

Everyone has friends though. Your guild mates may help (of they know you pretty well) or if you have some friends IRL that had some spare gold lying around. So everything is possible, keep that in mind.

Nairo · Jul 10, 2005, 09:48 PM // 21:48

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Originally Posted by Guild Powder

He wanted 2k upfront and i told him at ranknor.

WTF is up with that.

I'm getting flamed cause i hustled a hustler? The funny thing is that like 1 person paid him out of all of us. So im glad others were brave too.

No, you're being flamed because you decided to spite someone because they were able to get you through a very tough area. Did he say yes to being paid at Rankor? If so, then you really are at fault here.

Icarium · Jul 10, 2005, 10:00 PM // 22:00

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Originally Posted by Guild Powder

It's not fair anet makes it so hard to complete game with new char. We already did it once. Just give us UAS and access to all places we have been

How the hell does this justify ripping someone off 3k ?

oh and moan about UAS in any of the hundreds of UAS/UAR threads.

I can see all the rushing being a problem when it is low levels owning all in ascaon arena with droknars armor . .why not have an armor restricter in place for those that do this ? i had my 3rd char rushed to droknars, and was happy as hell to pay the 4 k i was charged,(not to mention it was pretty sweet to watch), then the rest of the missions were not a problem so much.

it was fun, kicking the crap out of newbs in ascaon, or even yaks ben isnt very cool, However to stomp through a mission that gave you hell the last 2 chars certanly IS fun

none · Jul 10, 2005, 10:03 PM // 22:03

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Originally Posted by crazy diamond

Quite the contrary. They miss out on valuable experience gained by actualy playing the game with other people, and many times end up doing ridiculously stupid things that any basic player would know. You get newbies in a high level area where you expect a greater degree of ability and skill.

I had a warrior figure out how adrenaline worked during the Abadons Mouth mission! It came as no surprise to me that he got run over and never played through the actual game! A player wearing full plate sitting in Iron Mines of Moladune asking what the difference was between expert and regular salvage kits, healing Monks that say that they won't use Divine Favor because 'it sucks', and Me/E's who think fast cast will make them uber-nukers are some of the idiots off the top of my head that I can remember grouping with who no doubt got run early in the game.

I also remember one fellow who got rushed up into Ring of Fire without so much as being infused! The mursaat would drop him like a rock in 2 seconds and he'd still swear up and down that he had been infused, which was obviously bullshit.

These are the kinds of idiots you have to deal with when you don't restrict the higher level areas.

I didn't refer to the Droknar Rushers in this case, but to those that are not lvl 20 when they are in the desert (and there is surprisingly few of them). I have never been lvl 20 before Ascencion (actually, my lvl right before Ascencion got lower everytime I started a new char). And the lower in level I was, the more difficult it was to find a group - so I just took henchies instead (oh well, I took henchies the first time through the game as well, but only because there was literally no one else around). Henchies are around lvl 15-18 in the desert, yet almost none of the players has that level - although none of the three Ascencion missions really requires a high level, but merely a tactical group.

btw, out of like 20 times I did Ring of Fire, only once (!!) I didn't have anyone in the group that wasn't infused. Funny thing is, I always start with - Everyone fully infused, I hope? - and I get back 7*yes. Then I wait until after the first fight against the Jade, and there's always someone who died within seconds (sometimes the Monks - if I'm not myself the Monk - don't even notice this). Well, I proceed to ask the person directly, if they are infused, and usually get things like: "Infusion??" "Oh yes, I am infused (and if you keep asking, they tell you, that they only one part of their armor is infused)" "Sure I am infused, isn't everyone infused that did Iron Mines (no, not if you didn't talk to the Seer ...)"

Eder · Jul 10, 2005, 10:20 PM // 22:20

I'll join the "I don't know what the big deal is" crowd.

If you don't like rushers, don't get rushed.

If you think it's unfair that people in Ascalon arena have a set of armor that ANYONE can have at any point in post-searing, don't play PvP on your PvE characters until they're level 20 or get that same set of armor by means which you deem "fair" enough.

I'd see issues if you had to exploit a bug or some such to get to Droknar's, but the way it is a) not a violation of the rules (AFAIK) and b) available to anyone.... so I don't see what the big deal is.

Plommon · Jul 10, 2005, 10:26 PM // 22:26

If anyone feels like taking my character to droknars ill pay you 4k 1k at beacon, 1k at camp rankor and 2k at droknars i have a few friends who would be more than app to travel with me

Mercury Angel · Jul 10, 2005, 11:18 PM // 23:18

Easy way to beat those price-gouging stores

Agree to purchase something
Go into the store
Use your five finger discount to take stuff without paying then leave
Post about it on forums

To be honest, sounds exactly like that to me.
Simply because it's online, some people throw all hints of ethics out the window.

I had a friend whom I no longer speak to because he does just that. He says stores charge too much and he's just getting his fair share back by shoplifting. Right...

In capitalism, you express your power as a consumer by NOT BUYING THE PRODUCT when you find something wrong with it.

That goes for services as well.

If you don't like a specific store, there're other stores, both local and online to order from.

And if you don't like a specific runner, or don't want to pay to be run, then don't use them. Don't be run, or find a free one, or one more economical. If you feel you have to rip them off, I hope karma catches you and bites you in the butt for it later.

Guild Powder · Jul 10, 2005, 11:34 PM // 23:34

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Originally Posted by Plommon

If anyone feels like taking my character to droknars ill pay you 4k 1k at beacon, 1k at camp rankor and 2k at droknars i have a few friends who would be more than app to travel with me

NEVER give money at beacon. THats just asking for them to take it and run off.

Racthoh · Jul 10, 2005, 11:39 PM // 23:39

What the hell is wrong with you people that want rushes? I can only imagine that amount of pain and agony you must go through when playing a console game that doesn't allow for this sort of thing, and you have you play through the entire game a second time. Heaven forbid you should play the game the way it was meant to be played. You spent the money on this game... ENJOY IT.

Why don't you just switch to PvP so every new character you make is already really strong since apparently 50% of the game just bores you. Why not do something constructive with all that time you save by designing a bot that for future events, rush yourself through! That way you can also get banned and can leave the rest of us alone. If the game bores you that much a second time through then get something else!

Why must you exploit this system? At the very least attempt to fight your way through so you're still getting some challenge out of the game. Just stop asking for rushes, or ways to stop rushers... just play the damn game.

This game is becoming as bad as Diablo II in almost every aspect... the economy, the rushing, the scamming... please DON'T make it any worse.

Eder · Jul 11, 2005, 12:24 AM // 00:24

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Originally Posted by Guild Powder

NEVER give money at beacon. THats just asking for them to take it and run off.

Yes, everyone listen to this guy's advice, because he makes a lot of sense! Oh yes, he does! It's only "fair" when YOU scam THEM.

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

What the hell is wrong with you people that want rushes? (...)

I don't get the reasoning behind this kind of attitude. That's like me feeling mad and offended because my neighbor mowns his lawn, so it looks prettier than mine. What's up with getting mad at stuff that doesn't affect you at all?

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

Why don't you just switch to PvP so every new character you make is already really strong since apparently 50% of the game just bores you.

You're assuming that people get rushed to Droknar because 50% of the game bores them. You know what they say about assuming.

Also, why don't YOU play the game the way I want you to play? That's how stupid the question you just asked is.

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

Why not do something constructive with all that time you save by designing a bot that for future events, rush yourself through!

Because that would be a violation of the rules.

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

Why must you exploit this system?

Getting rushed to Droknar's is not exploiting, AFAIK.

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

just play the damn game.

I suppose the same doesn't go for you? Just play the damn game and let people play the damn game. If they're violating the rules, report them and get them banned. If they're not, there's nothing you can do about it. You don't make the game's rules. If the current rules bother you so much, take your money elsewhere and let ANet know why you did it.

Guild Powder · Jul 11, 2005, 12:37 AM // 00:37

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Originally Posted by Eder

Yes, everyone listen to this guy's advice, because he makes a lot of sense! Oh yes, he does! It's only "fair" when YOU scam THEM.

um i never took money from anyone. I simply did not agree with them ripping people off charging them 3k for a place i have already been. AND HE RAISED IT TO 5K AT SNAKE DANCE

he was a jerk.

wow a big 10 minute run and he expects 5k from 7 people. LMAO loser.

Nairo · Jul 11, 2005, 12:45 AM // 00:45

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Originally Posted by Guild Powder

um i never took money from anyone. I simply did not agree with them ripping people off charging them 3k for a place i have already been. AND HE RAISED IT TO 5K AT SNAKE DANCE

he was a jerk.

wow a big 10 minute run and he expects 5k from 7 people. LMAO loser.

What, the guy you were talking about at the beginning? See, I don't remember you saying that at the beginning.

Guild Powder · Jul 11, 2005, 12:48 AM // 00:48

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Originally Posted by Nairo

What, the guy you were talking about at the beginning? See, I don't remember you saying that at the beginning.

did i have to use all the details? why is this so important. This guy probably makes 100 of thousands a day just by scamming n00bs telling them that running is so great. ITS SO NOT FAIR. ANd tons of ppl do this. Whenever i go to beacons i tell people NOT TO PAY.

Nairo · Jul 11, 2005, 12:52 AM // 00:52

But you're giving us all the info all at different times. If you would just have told us that he WAS trying to scam people like that, maybe some of the posts here would different.

Rocco The Flipside · Jul 11, 2005, 01:29 AM // 01:29

Personally, I think rushers are stupid. I am currently playing with my monk and I got to Ring of Fire from Pre-searing in four days--exactly 40 hours--and I enjoyed every minute of completing missions and quests. What is it with rushing to Droknar's forge? Why not ascent first and THEN go to Droknars? Personally, I kick all people below lvl 20 in missions post-ascension when I form a group. Their lazy semblance already shows.

PS, Guild Powder, please grow up you stupid n00b.

crazy diamond · Jul 11, 2005, 01:32 AM // 01:32

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Originally Posted by Guild Powder

um i never took money from anyone. I simply did not agree with them ripping people off charging them 3k for a place i have already been. AND HE RAISED IT TO 5K AT SNAKE DANCE

he was a jerk.

wow a big 10 minute run and he expects 5k from 7 people. LMAO loser.

You're a jerk yourself. I wouldn't be surprised if he raised the price because you kept bitching and moaning all the way.

Either way, you were the one who didn't hold up their end of the bargain and ripped him off.

So be happy you got away with it and stop complaining about it being unfair when you yourself can't be fair to others.