Curse

Stayfrosty · Jul 17, 2005, 03:50 AM // 03:50

/signed

I live to farm, I love finding stuff, i normally just give it away anyways i just like to have bragging right to say ive found X items and I have X gol. Farming is what keeps me hooked on a game. Where you can do the same thing over and over for countless hours and remain interested as long as your are getting SOMETHING worthwhile out of it.

Thomasuwoo · Jul 17, 2005, 02:19 PM // 14:19

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Originally Posted by sunny_g

1. there is an overhead involved in getting people together - some of us with less time than others would rather be playing then msg'ng "<class> LFG farm <loc>" in the towns for 20 minutes.

2. the random drop is for groups unbalanced in GW - i believe the algorithm may be something as trivial as randomly generated loot gets randomly assigned -- value of the drop is not taken into account AT ALL.

i am sure everyone has heard of the FoW / UW runs that has extremely uneven results. well, here is another one: i've gone on runs and gotten nothing but demonic remains while there were 7 shards dropped, 4 given to one player, 3 to another. to me, this is a waste of my time.

3. some of us really dislike having to deal with immature behavior (whether the behavior is from kids or adults is irrelevant). in fact, in many cases, i would rather work with hench than players -- if not for the fact that the hench are so stupid...

4. it's one thing to coordinate people to accomplish something and get paid (part of my day job) for it. it's another thing trying to relax by playing a game and having to coordinate / manage people.

There - your post has now been responded and you know the reason why some of us prefer solo play.

1. The problem with Unnerfing the current system and allowing farmers to resume thier soloing is that they will flood the economy with gold and force the players who would rather play in a team to do the same thing if they want the 15k armour. The 10 minute overhead to forming a group (Not in the fissure or UW) is a small price to pay instead of having to go kill monsters all alone for hours to farm up large amounts of gold.

2. Maybe I'm just lucky but I've never felt more left out of the loot then someone else. It's only when I see an item drop that I could really use (Ohhh! A armour 16 tactics sheild!? What do you want for it!) that I feel a little upset. And there are plenty of team players out there that will sell/trade it during or at the end of the loot run.

3. I did suggest that you pm some of the other farmers here and work with them. Surley since you all need each others help at the moment and are on common ground certinly you'd get along. Then again I always considered farmers to be anti-social people who like to get more gold then anybody else and flaunt it off to all the noobs. Maybe your afraid that sterotype will hold true for the others on this forum?

4. Once again. Get to know some fellow farmers and hang around with them. You all know your stuff. You know how to counter enmies skills. You used to take on tonns at a time with the right set of skills on your own. The freinds list has been expanded so you should be able to find some like minded experianced farmers to work with.
Once myself and 3 other players were abandoned by the other four players in pedition rock on our own. The loot for the next 3 mobs we managed to kill (Kinda tough without a monk

) was great. I imagine if a group of four clever players got together in some of the higher level areas the loot would be great.

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Originally Posted by Stayfrosty

/signed

I live to farm, I love finding stuff, i normally just give it away anyways i just like to have bragging right to say ive found X items and I have X gol. Farming is what keeps me hooked on a game. Where you can do the same thing over and over for countless hours and remain interested as long as your are getting SOMETHING worthwhile out of it.

I really don't understand this kind of mentality. You don't mind doing the same thing OVER and OVER no matter how boring so long as there's a pot of gold at the end for you? I prefer to play and enjoy my games. If you don't enjoy the gameplay why play the game? It just seems to me that people will play a game they hate so long as it rewards them? Sounds too much like my job to me.

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Originally Posted by katalyst

/signed

its impossible to get good gear in the game now unless your dedicated to playing for endless hours

It's not. It's impossible to farm SOLO for endless hours to amass piles of gold. Group with some people in high level areas and you will find plenty of gold. And people seem to act that just because their armour doesn't LOOK cool they are at a disadvantage. You're still on the same stats in PvP as any of the granite/grotto and fissure armour peeps out there.

I'd like to state again I hope Anet keeps things the way they are. This is the first online game I've been on where it's more profitable to adventure with a group of players then solo. I've been forced into farming before just to get items to stay competitive and I'd like to say that it's no fun at all.

Stayfrosty · Jul 17, 2005, 03:15 PM // 15:15

Well the thing is to me as long as I am finding items its not boring. Dont count me out tho I have 4 lvl 20 PVE chars and do PVP quite a bit with my ranger and mesmer, but almost like you said PVP is doing the same thing over and over so I like to switch... if I dont feel like PVP I farm and vice versa.

Mugon M. Musashi · Jul 17, 2005, 05:06 PM // 17:06

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Originally Posted by Thomasuwoo

You're still on the same stats in PvP as any of the granite/grotto and fissure armour peeps out there

Then why are you complaining ?

those that like to farm do it
those that don't like to farm don't do it
at the end there is no inequality in PvP

EmperorTippy · Jul 17, 2005, 05:21 PM // 17:21

GET BACK ON TOPIC
WE HAVE OTHER THREADS ON THE FORUM ARGUING IF THIS PETITION IS GOOD OR NOT. ARGUE THERE NOT HERE.

Now sorry for all caps but I felt like all you offtopic posters needed to be screamed at. The OP has a thread arguing this point. Argue in there.
If you disagree put /notsigned, if you agree put /signed. Feel free to add a short (like 1 paragraph) argument to your /signed or /notsigned with your reasoning but don't sit here and argue others posts. As for why I am posting this it is because PieXags (the OP) told me to tell you to stop cluttering his thread (he got fed up with it)

Jigs · Jul 17, 2005, 05:39 PM // 17:39

Just one more

/signed

I am not also a farmer b4. but now i am trying to get a much better armor, i need to farm badly. i am playing about 2 hrs. a day coz i have some other things to do too and in that 2 hrs. i could only make about 1platinum and some crappy items on several runs. it'll take me long time to get enough money to complete my armor.

Also farming and and selling is quite fun and this also helps other players, selling them items they need w/ price cheaper than whet merchants sell. Fighting all the time is sometimes tiring and playing merchant is quite fun. Haggling for prices and competing on other sellers, it's just like having a third profession.

badassmonkee · Jul 17, 2005, 06:28 PM // 18:28

Why dont you actually set up a proper iinternet petition?

Also /signed :|

Jigs · Jul 17, 2005, 06:45 PM // 18:45

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Originally Posted by Thomasuwoo

1. The problem with Unnerfing the current system and allowing farmers to resume thier soloing is that they will flood the economy with gold and force the players who would rather play in a team to do the same thing if they want the 15k armour. The 10 minute overhead to forming a group (Not in the fissure or UW) is a small price to pay instead of having to go kill monsters all alone for hours to farm up large amounts of gold.

2. Maybe I'm just lucky but I've never felt more left out of the loot then someone else. It's only when I see an item drop that I could really use (Ohhh! A armour 16 tactics sheild!? What do you want for it!) that I feel a little upset. And there are plenty of team players out there that will sell/trade it during or at the end of the loot run.

3. I did suggest that you pm some of the other farmers here and work with them. Surley since you all need each others help at the moment and are on common ground certinly you'd get along. Then again I always considered farmers to be anti-social people who like to get more gold then anybody else and flaunt it off to all the noobs. Maybe your afraid that sterotype will hold true for the others on this forum?

4. Once again. Get to know some fellow farmers and hang around with them. You all know your stuff. You know how to counter enmies skills. You used to take on tonns at a time with the right set of skills on your own. The freinds list has been expanded so you should be able to find some like minded experianced farmers to work with.
Once myself and 3 other players were abandoned by the other four players in pedition rock on our own. The loot for the next 3 mobs we managed to kill (Kinda tough without a monk

) was great. I imagine if a group of four clever players got together in some of the higher level areas the loot would be great.

I really don't understand this kind of mentality. You don't mind doing the same thing OVER and OVER no matter how boring so long as there's a pot of gold at the end for you? I prefer to play and enjoy my games. If you don't enjoy the gameplay why play the game? It just seems to me that people will play a game they hate so long as it rewards them? Sounds too much like my job to me.

It's not. It's impossible to farm SOLO for endless hours to amass piles of gold. Group with some people in high level areas and you will find plenty of gold. And people seem to act that just because their armour doesn't LOOK cool they are at a disadvantage. You're still on the same stats in PvP as any of the granite/grotto and fissure armour peeps out there.

I'd like to state again I hope Anet keeps things the way they are. This is the first online game I've been on where it's more profitable to adventure with a group of players then solo. I've been forced into farming before just to get items to stay competitive and I'd like to say that it's no fun at all.

You may have a point in all of your comments, but some people wants to play the way they want to. farming isn't a crime and it's not even cheating or hacking ( if there are bots ban them), they find fun in collecting stuffs and selling it or sharing it. If they want to play alone, that is fine, that's the reason there are henchies. not all people are comfortable playing with others, they may have some personality problems that doesn't go well w/ other people and playimng alone better suites them. You said " I really don't understand this kind of mentality. You don't mind doing the same thing OVER and OVER no matter how boring so long as there's a pot of gold at the end for you?" Well it's their mentality, u dont have to understand them and I think that most of them enjoy what they are doing and not causing troubles.

We bought this game to play and have some fun. We can do whatever we want as long as we dont cause trouble to others( no hacking or bots). if others want to farm, let them farm, if others just want to do missions or quest let them do it, PvP, GvG, ect... there are lots of options of how to play the game. Choose 1 which you find fun to do.

Thomasuwoo · Jul 17, 2005, 06:55 PM // 18:55

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Originally Posted by Jigs

You may have a point in all of your comments, but some people wants to play the way they want to. farming isn't a crime and it's not even cheating or hacking ( if there are bots ban them), they find fun in collecting stuffs and selling it or sharing it. If they want to play alone, that is fine, that's the reason there are henchies. not all people are comfortable playing with others, they may have some personality problems that doesn't go well w/ other people and playimng alone better suites them. You said " I really don't understand this kind of mentality. You don't mind doing the same thing OVER and OVER no matter how boring so long as there's a pot of gold at the end for you?" Well it's their mentality, u dont have to understand them and I think that most of them enjoy what they are doing and not causing troubles.

We bought this game to play and have some fun. We can do whatever we want as long as we dont cause trouble to others( no hacking or bots). if others want to farm, let them farm, if others just want to do missions or quest let them do it, PvP, GvG, ect... there are lots of options of how to play the game. Choose 1 which you find fun to do.

The problem is weatehr or not you want it to farming does cause problems. It brings massive amounts of gold into the economy and forces up the prices of items. This effects the other players who do not wish to farm, forcing them to do so to stay competative and keep above the "poverty" line. The current system only seems to be doing this atm because everyone is scrambling to get their paws on all the gold that is horded on characters from before the nerfs. It'll be gone soon and then the prices will start to come down again.

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Originally Posted by Mugon M. Musashi

Then why are you complaining ?

those that like to farm do it
those that don't like to farm don't do it
at the end there is no inequality in PvP

Because the excess gold alsoo forces up the prices of Weapon mods such as vampiric bow strings, runes and Hp mods. These do cause an effect on PvE's who like to PvP. To stay competative (Stat wise) they have to stop using their PvE and resort to a PvP character. While this is as easy enough thing to do it also voids the point of getting unique armour in the first place.

Thomasuwoo · Jul 17, 2005, 06:56 PM // 18:56

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Originally Posted by EmperorTippy

GET BACK ON TOPIC
WE HAVE OTHER THREADS ON THE FORUM ARGUING IF THIS PETITION IS GOOD OR NOT. ARGUE THERE NOT HERE.

Now sorry for all caps but I felt like all you offtopic posters needed to be screamed at. The OP has a thread arguing this point. Argue in there.
If you disagree put /notsigned, if you agree put /signed. Feel free to add a short (like 1 paragraph) argument to your /signed or /notsigned with your reasoning but don't sit here and argue others posts. As for why I am posting this it is because PieXags (the OP) told me to tell you to stop cluttering his thread (he got fed up with it)

Can I have a link please?

Adrian Ashcroft · Jul 17, 2005, 07:19 PM // 19:19

Darn ANet and their nerfing !!! I can finally get my ascension armor, and they mess up my only way of aquiring that much money w/o playing an entire week of my life...

/signed without hesitation, because "balanced gameplay" happens to be on a hill right now... And PvE is on the bottom of that hill, which sux

Jigs · Jul 17, 2005, 07:37 PM // 19:37

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Originally Posted by Thomasuwoo

The problem is weatehr or not you want it to farming does cause problems. It brings massive amounts of gold into the economy and forces up the prices of items. This effects the other players who do not wish to farm, forcing them to do so to stay competative and keep above the "poverty" line. The current system only seems to be doing this atm because everyone is scrambling to get their paws on all the gold that is horded on characters from before the nerfs. It'll be gone soon and then the prices will start to come down again.

Because the excess gold alsoo forces up the prices of Weapon mods such as vampiric bow strings, runes and Hp mods. These do cause an effect on PvE's who like to PvP. To stay competative (Stat wise) they have to stop using their PvE and resort to a PvP character. While this is as easy enough thing to do it also voids the point of getting unique armour in the first place.

Farmers helps other players in a big way. Prices of items sold by merchants are sometimes way high. you can get a better deal from other players who trades their stuff from farming. Ex: glob of ectoplasm could cost 9.5k in the market, you could get it at 7-8k from player traders. and where does the money go, mostlikely back to the economy again. traders will mostlikely buy much better armors and weapons w/c cost a lot. This already sounds like capitalism (or it is already capitalism) but mostly everyone will benefit on it.
trading is so big now, it's even hard to choose to w/c player to buy. the chat area is flooded by trading players, competing for lower prices of wanted items. It's even a great help on noobs, they have access to better weapons and items they need to upgrade armors and weapons.

velvetbunny · Jul 17, 2005, 07:54 PM // 19:54

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It's not. It's impossible to farm SOLO for endless hours to amass piles of gold. Group with some people in high level areas and you will find plenty of gold. And people seem to act that just because their armour doesn't LOOK cool they are at a disadvantage. You're still on the same stats in PvP as any of the granite/grotto and fissure armour peeps out there.

I'd beg to differ on that impossible to farm solo. I made over 200k in two days this week by soloing Griffins using a rather clever build i ripped off from someone on the forums =P. But the way the game is designed, you do NOT need to farm to be competitive, only to look cool. All the best armor is only 1.5k in droknars, almost all of the best weapons are available from collectors. The only thing that you may "need" that will cost you money is upgrades for those collector weapons.

Heck i use to farm Nebo Terrace solo, and still do sometimes for runes. Clearing out all the undead/ettins/bog scales would net me anywhere from 2p to upwards of 50k when i got 3 superior War runes in one run and sold them UNID'd for 15k a pop, and yes this was recent and after the faction PvP updates. Anyway, what I'm trying to demonstrate is it is still quite possible to farm if you desire, but never is it necessary.

Not signing =P.

Captain Arne Is PRO · Jul 17, 2005, 07:54 PM // 19:54

/signed

Mavrik · Jul 17, 2005, 07:55 PM // 19:55

/signed

Come on, if your going to make it hard for us to make money? Fricken lower the prices of everything thats for sale. If 2-3 hours of "farming" net me about 2000g in profit. How the HECK am I suppose to be able to buy good items and armor in this game? Think about the people who want that 15k armor but can never managed to have more then 11k in their accounts.

Yeah..

Magic Gan Man · Jul 17, 2005, 08:06 PM // 20:06

/signed

Nascent · Jul 17, 2005, 08:11 PM // 20:11

/Signed as well.

However, I'm not so much signing to bring back the old farming locations, but more just increase the rare drops all around. I took about a weeks break from playing the game and i've come back to find I'm getting litterally nothing on runs now. In the last two days i've done about 7 UW/Fissure Runs and random quests to help people out. This whole time i've gotten basically nothing, except one obsidian shard. Yes, I realise shards are 'rare' drops but when you get them and now you can't even sell them to the merchants for more than 100 g, and players really dont seem as interested in them as they used to, what are you supposed to do?

I do enjoy playing, so regardless of if drops increase or not I will continue to play merely because I have fun doing it with close friends. But its nice to at least get SOME rewards every now and again, if for no other reason than to say "you'll never guess what I got".

Hell, me and my friends have been joking when we do UW runs now. Everytime Demonic remains drop, we get overly protective and claim them as if they hold the same value as Ecto...cause its ALL you get now T_T.

Edge Martinez · Jul 17, 2005, 08:13 PM // 20:13

/signed

PieXags · Jul 17, 2005, 08:22 PM // 20:22

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Originally Posted by Thanas

Because you expected the game to be item based and its not and now you expect them to force the game in that direction. Unfortunately this isnt going to happen. Areas will continue to be nerfed to ensure that the game maintains its focus. This is an original game concept and not an old mmporg rehash.

You don't have any idea what I expected so I don't want to hear anymore of that filth again buddy. I expected exactly what the developers said this game would be, and it met their statements pretty much to the dot when I bought it and when it was released, and back then, we had farming.

You see, I honestly don't give a DAMN about the fissure armor, or the 15k armor, or even having the greatest weapons. Want to know why? I've already got what I want in that regard. I do know, however, that drops have significantly decreased since that point in time and continue to do so as the game is updated. I also know that most of these nerfs aren't mentioned in the updates.

So now you're problably wondering why I care at all about farming.

It's because it USED to be in the game, and they took it away, despite the fact that how it was, even 3 weeks ago, was not harming anything. Decreasing drops doesn't affect bots nearly as much as it pisses off the rest of us who enjoyed going out and having something to do once the game was over. We HAD a good farming/drop thing going in the game, that wasn't inflating the prices anymore (surely less) than they're being inflated right now, but they've been decreased anyway. PvP players enjoy doing PvP over and over again while getting faction, some PvE players enjoy farming over and over again while getting loot. Just a shame they took that away from many of us 'eh?

And it's not even so much that they took out some drops, that they nerfed a few things. You see that I'm all for so long as it's controlled, but when you nerf us so badly that it's more profitable to do droknar runs, then you know you've got a problem. I should not be outbought by every W/Mo out there who can spend 20 minutes running people to droknars for 3k each, and make a fortune in doing so each day.

When you get to the point where the game's market favors a particular group of people as opposed to all others to this extreme, you have a problem. Plain and simple.

Dagoth Umbra · Jul 17, 2005, 08:55 PM // 20:55

/signed

WTF is up with removing drops, pathetic storage, and every other dumb*** thing you have been doing to this great game. You slit the throat of whoever is not allowing storage and drops to be put in the game, and promote whoever added a larger friends list (GJ BTW

) It is getting to the point that I feel like I should just stop playing until I look at one of these fansites and see that you have taken your head out of your butt, and made the game FUN instead of FRUSTRATING!

Thank you for adding the friends list and faction and pvp exp. Now double and then double again the friendst list, remove refund points and make it so players can change their attributes any time in towns/outposts/pvp but they cannot change once zoned. And make it so that once one has gone through the game 3 times and unlocked EVERY skill available, elites, skill trainer, quests, all of them, and every skill for every profession including elites is unlocked, make it so that BOOM, all secondary skills are unlocked for all your pve characters, so that if my W/E unlocked all skills for W/R, my Ele unlocked all skills for E and Me, and my Monks unlocked all skills for Mo and Necro, then my W/E would be able to become a W/Mo, and use ALL the Mo skills. This must be done for those of us who must unlock everything, and who want to experiment. Also, make it so players can change their primary to one other primary and back, so players can be able to pve with everyone of the primary professions, and have all of the armors and etc... but would have to make 3 characters and go through the game 6 times, which would keep your longevity. ALSO, Make it so that players can remove runes and weapon upgrades from there armor and weapons WITHOUT destroying their armor, and make it 100% certain they will be able to do so. This is so players wont have to have a set of armor for every single style of play they want to try, therefore allowing them to experiment. Because there is no way I am going to add runes to my armor until this is done, because I am not going to destroy my knights armor to change a rune on it. All this I have said is necessary and MORE IMPORTANT than anything else you have going, including new areas and observer mode.