Originally Posted by PieXags

Alright, I don't often put up petitions like this. But you see, for a while there I could put up with it. Now though, when every last spot I've ever found in the game has been nerfed to the point of 2-3 drops per run, well that's just the straw that broke my back, so to speak.

Alright so what do we know, well we know that I'm really pissed off for one. Secondly we know that they've gone and nerfed every single farming spot in the game that I could find, I've spent my entire day trying to find a new decent spot, even one where I could make say, 10k per hour or something, and I'm still OUT OF LUCK. No jades anywhere drop a damn thing, the gates of kryta enemies, no matter where they are or what they are, when from dropping several mediocre things that you could very SLOWLY make gold on to dropping NOTHING (almost literally, I kill 30 enemies, I get 4 drops.), the griffons drop one or two blue items...maybe, the random gold outside fishermans haven? Now considered an exploit. The UW/FoW? Yeah, if you want to spend every hour for a week that your country has down there just so you might get a max damage storm bow to sell for 30k, be my guest. A droknar runner will make more than you do in the UW/FoW, in less time than you'd ever thought.

Farming, buying/selling/giving away things...it's all that was left for me in this game. I enjoy testing builds but I can't do that because of attribute refunds, I can't get anymore money because every spot I can find at all has been nerfed to the point that it's impossible to almost find a drop period.

My question is why, why is it necessary? Droknar runners can make money, PvP players can make money, but normal PvE players who actually use the money, make it the slowest. If you're not rich already you can't expect to be able to buy much anything worthwhile anymore, because unless you get extremely rich you'll be fighting for the last bit of money for your last bit of dye.

Now that every spot in the game has been nerfed except for the lost strongbox (which isn't even a farming spot...and will maybe get you 6k in 3 hours or something...), you just can't make money. I ENJOYED working towards a goal or set of money, I enjoyed needing 100k for something and then farming solo until I reached that goal, I was motivated and it's what I did in most of my free time...because it's all that's left. But now that's been taken away from me as well. Even if they add these two new "zones" to the game, it won't matter. Go through 'em once or twice, or even 10 times...and no big deal, fun over. Then if you tried to farm there, nerf bat for sure.

I would rather see my farming spots back than the two new zones, I enjoy the feeling of being alone out there just me and the mobs making money towards a goal, and now that I can't do that...period, I need to start this petition thing.

Basically saying that---WE WANT OUR FARMING SPOTS BACK. It doesn't HURT anyone, being able to make money at a decent rate won't matter now that you've got so many gold sinks in the game. Hell how was I able to spend 200k in a day? I bought a new set of 60k armor, some dye, helped some players out, and now I've not a chance in hell to get any of it back. Some people enjoy doing PvP in those arenas and tombs over and over again, some of us enjoy working out in the zones by ourselves farming stuff. PvP people get the "here you go, you want it you have it" bat, we get the nerf bat. What's up with that? I'm tired of being bought out by droknar runners every day, lets get some farming back!

/signed

Originally Posted by Thanas

I don't agree with any of this!

1)Farming messes up the economy. people who farm have lots of gold they do a lot of buying and selling and thus they set the prices, prices which are too high for non farmers.
2)Yes there's a money sink. However just because its there it doesnt mean you hav to spend all your time trying to fill it. It's not the aim of the game.
3)The game is skill based, not item based. This has been re-inforced many times. The items are purely collectables, things to show off. The 15k armours demonstrate this. The only differences between them and the 1.5K armours is asctetics i.e the 15K armours are for the vain. The weapons also make very little difference to gameplay, they are again collectables and this is perfectly in line with the games direction. If the game had wanted to be item orientated it would have been and would have resulted in something like Diablo2 for example. The game is skill based to allow anybody to play. In most item based games you have to play many hours collecting UBER items before you can even compete with others. Obviously such items would unblance the style of play that was intended.

Thus in conclusion farming is a pointless activity followed by many who are exploiting the game. And yes it is an exploit because as I have mentioned this isnt within the game plan. If you really want to farm in this manner. Play a game which promotes an item based system or rethink your gaming attitude.

/against

Originally Posted by Thanas

I don't agree with any of this!

3)The game is skill based, not item based. This has been re-inforced many times. The items are purely collectables, things to show off. The 15k armours demonstrate this. The only differences between them and the 1.5K armours is asctetics i.e the 15K armours are for the vain. The weapons also make very little difference to gameplay, they are again collectables and this is perfectly in line with the games direction. If the game had wanted to be item orientated it would have been and would have resulted in something like Diablo2 for example. The game is skill based to allow anybody to play. In most item based games you have to play many hours collecting UBER items before you can even compete with others. Obviously such items would unblance the style of play that was intended.
/against

Originally Posted by =HT=Ingram

man you people are crazy. Drops for me have increased since the last update. both gold and purple. Main reason... I DONT FARM OUT AREAS LIKE THEY ARE GOING OUT OF STYLE. DON"T FARM, just play the game. there is plenty to be got just from that. I see NO new players complaining.. only you babies crying cause there are other ways to get the runes and materials you want to inflate again. And all the gold getting pulled out of the game finally may the gold piece worth something again. You want some gold... go play PvP for a while and get a sigil. bingo more then enough for anyone. then continue playing Pve and get you uber armors or whatever you want. All this has done is cut out the resellers from having both BUYERS and Supplies to continue their inflated tendencies. and It has also made it EXTREAMLY hard for Gold resellers to stay in business.

I praise Arenanet for their efforts, and hope they keep it up.

Originally Posted by EmperorTippy

And the responce by the farmers is that PvP is a pointless activity. You farm in there so by your logic it is pointless. While the PvEers farm gold to buy the 15K or FoW armor you farm faction to unlock that item mod or Superior Absorbtion.

The PvPers are the ones raising the prices on weapon mods and the like. The largest source of inflation is the sigils given for winning HoH.

Originally Posted by PieXags

Lord knows calling us crybabies hurts my feelings a lot man. I mean hell, I should totally be insulted especially since we've got now 5 pages of positive feedback with about 3 people who disagree. Unfortunately mate, you're in those "3" people here. This thread in itself, has problably become one of the larger petitions here quicker than many others, than in itself should speak for something. You see you aren't really, listening to anyone you just don't have anything else to say but "quit crying". You see new people don't "cry" because they're new, they don't realize that the game actually USED to be better like the rest of us. They think it was always like this, when in fact it wasn't. The gold sinks were fine, it was a nice way to make people with more money have a place to spend it, but now that there are severe drop decreases you've got no ways to make money, only ways to lose it. It's the fact that we used to have it, and it was taken away that pisses us off.

All PvP is is one large grind. You just do the same small scale crap over and over, you get faction for it, and that's else. Then you go unlock skills, weapon upgrades, and runes with the faction that you get by doing the same activity multiple times. This is what farming is. Except instead of fighting small groups of 8, we fight groups of mobs to get our gold. We farm places for gold, PvP players farm the arenas for faction.

The devs made it so that every PvP battle gives faction, but our runs in PvE give nil. You see traders and "gold sinks" ONLY work if there's actually money to spend on the items, and right now there's only gold in a few places. PvP people don't complain ANYMORE, because they got "faction" they FARM faction all day long. So while the devs go and give PvP faction, and the ability to unlock anything they want simply by doing an activity over and over again...while it's GUARANTEED that they'll get rewarded for it with some form of faction points...at the same time they DECREASE the rewards for doing the exact same thing in PvE.

Doesn't sound fair to me, give PvP whatever they bitch for while removing content and rewards from PvE. Not a smart move at all. Droknars rushers should NOT be the richest in the game, simple as that. The only things inflating the prices right now are bots (which haven't been affected by the nerfs), those selling sigils (that haven't been affected by the nerfs), and droknars rushers (that haven't been affected by the nerfs).

Doesn't make any sense at all. And that's what this thread is for, to let them know they've gone and messed something up for us.

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I'd like to add that I've still gotten no response from Anets support team to the email I sent them some 35 hours ago. Guess I'll keep waiting.

Originally Posted by Calimar

Well, most of the people that are against probably don't care about signing this. In fact it WON'T affect me in the least if they nerf farmsites more. Economy won't go that much up just because you guys farm like crazy, unless you all start buying tons of, say, linen and sell it on the market (then merchants will have high prices and all).

Still, while I agree that the whole point for some might be farm money and buy better armor... the 15k armor is designed to be a definitely rare thing. It wouldn't cost 10 times as much as the others if it wasn't, by design, rare. You want it? Ok. Work hard. Some guys want the prize of hard work without the hard work... that should not happen. I *will* have 15k armor. In time.

Farming as in repeatedly hitting the same location avoiding monsters and such is - for my PERSONAL PvE mind - boring and cheap. PvP pointless? If you think PvPers are PvPing to unlock stuff, you're very wrong. Unlocking is just a way to better your chances at a win, not the reason to play PvP. It's a tool to an end, not the end.

What *is* indeed pointless is this ongoing war where PvEers complain about PvPers and vice versa. You can do one without the other in GW, but you'll never be top notch. And you'll have a hard time getting anywhere - try using PVP only and see how long it takes to unlock stuff when all you can count on is 1 weapon and no skills. Means no GvG wins, no HoH wins: 2 faction at a time is not much when it takes 1000 tu unlock a minor rune you can get in fort ranik.
Now complain about farming being too hard.. laugh.

Guys... A.net made a PvE AND PvP game. Realize that if you want to be on just one side of the fence, you're going to be 80% effective or less.