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Gbuslayer · Jul 20, 2005, 12:27 AM // 00:27

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Originally Posted by GraceAlone

I haven't read through the entire thread, sorry, but here is my 2 cents. If ANet starts charging for the game, then I will no longer play. The entire appel of GW for me was the no monthly fee. Personally I'm of the opinion that I bought the game, why should I have to continue, monthly, to buy the game? But that's just me. Personally it is easier to drop $50 once a year on a game then to spend $20 a month for a total of $240, over the course of a year. So I'm very glad that ANet will never charge

Well i've only read up to this point and just in reply to this type of thinking why should they pay thier employees thier wage until the game is done and then continue paying it after the game is completed, Without monthly fees those games can not exist in a state of perpetual motion having it worked on every day of the year(although not always updated daily) they still have to pay thier employees, people don't always realize that when a game is released the company backing it is already in the hole, seeing as how they have paid people to develop it for often times years before its release and then they pay to produce the games and manuals itself(as well as advertising)

Guild Wars was a risky venture at best, due to all of the above and because of thier no monthly fees you lose a lot of services such as any form of message board or direct contact with Devs or support staff via customer support

And instead of following thier own plan for things to come they try and appeal to the masses and hope it works out in the end

Guild Wars is on unstable ground at best, while there are no specific numbers that I have seen for guild wars I can only assume from my own experiences that the community has shrunk since release in my first guild after release I had to kick a good 20 people a month and a half after release due thier month long inactivity, as well as the 4 or 5 friends that I had before the game was released who have also been inactive for over a month due to the boredom, even I wane in this dark hour

TheGreatBoo · Jul 20, 2005, 01:05 AM // 01:05

Adding a monthly fee will not be a miracle worker. No, I doubt that it will get rid of any dumbasses, noobs, or otherwise. What it will get rid of is people who appreciate the game, but simply can't afford to pay for it monthly. I for one, would have to lay down my {weapon of choice here} if they began charging a monthly fee. Yes, I do have a job, but its hard enough to pay for car insurance and the like. One of the major signing points that guildwars established was that it was free. This got a fair bit of attention. I almost purchased wow until I heard that this was free. I looked further into the game, and thankfully I picked up this game. I have a friend who purchased wow and ff11. In my opinion, both of them aren't as good as guildwars. And yes, they are loaded with obnoxious brats who think that their time and money entitles them to godhood. In most cases, it's not even their money. When I picture grievers and morons, a snotty rich kid tends to come to mind. When you have to work for money, you begin to appreciate its value. There is no debate here. All adding a monthly fee would do is decrease the number of good players, and instead of limiting the number of bad players, it would instead make them believe that their opinion is the word of some god. Their ego's don't need any more boosting.

Gbuslayer · Jul 20, 2005, 01:20 AM // 01:20

don't take me wrong here, I am in no way agreeing to the monthly fee, for that would be suicidal at this point for arena net, half thier user base likely has no way to pay for the game nor would wish to do so
And as for comments about purchasing additional expansions at later dates that information was out there when I bought the game after the second preview event and I purchased it knowing that it was quite possible they could charge for them(although they stated that any expansions to be purcahsed would add atleast as much content as was already in the game

Blow_Holez · Jul 20, 2005, 01:24 AM // 01:24

hey, all i did was read the forum title, not read a single thing said in this thread but.. HELL NO! Thats a good enough arguemnt for me!

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Sorry to double post, but i do see where the creator of this thread was going. Maybe charging lik 2 dollars a month would't be bad... Anet would still make a milloin or so a month lol. Still, I do not want monthly fees!

***added the double post part to this original post to keep you under the "no double posts" count***

Somhairle Isis · Jul 20, 2005, 02:55 AM // 02:55

What makes this game so good is the constant streamlined data, the depth, the fun, etc etc ALL FOR FREE!

I abhorr the idea of pay to play. I don't think ANY game should be pay to play.
Think about it this way. You pay 40 bucks for a pay to play MMO and then 15 dollars a month.

In one year you've spent 220 dollars on a game. THAT, I don't care HOW you look at it, is theft.

TheGreatBoo · Jul 20, 2005, 03:08 AM // 03:08

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Originally Posted by Somhairle Isis

I abhorr the idea of pay to play.

Oh, nice word choice. Thats quite a vocabulary you've got on you there somhairle haha.

Guild Master · Jul 20, 2005, 04:29 AM // 04:29

I looked at WoW and the monthly fee alone, despite all of the fun content it has in there, made me avoid it at all costs. Guild Wars is just as fun, but without a monthly fee. Guild Wars is tended towards casual players who want to have fun in an online community without putting themselves in debt. Adding monthly fees will not get rid of the people who ruin the game, but instead get rid of the fans who loved the game for everything about the game that makes it good. If I wanted to play a non-linear Guild Wars with a monthly fee, I would play World of Warcraft or Star Wars Galaxies. Guild Wars is a game Arenanet made for people to enjoy without paying for every month. Arenanet will never make a monthly fee for expansion packs, as an update, a marketing ploy, etc., period.

slasc · Jul 20, 2005, 06:01 AM // 06:01

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Originally Posted by Talesin Darkbriar

In California, we have some really nice parks and they used to be free admission.
After years of people defacing monuments, vandalizing park property and features, and generally making asses of themselves to everyone else's detriment, the parks instituted a entrance fee.

Problem solved.

You see, griefers on a whole don't want to pay a fee to destroy something for everyone else. They'd rather go where its free admission.

Talesin

Dude, California is not exactly a state I would model anything after. No offense, but there's a reason it couldn't pay it's own electric bills. My point is not to diss California though (it's a beautiful state), but rather to state this :

The reason people complain is because something is not working the way they were a.) expecting b.) wanting or c.) needing it to.

I have several disappointments with this game. I've stated many of them here in this very forum as I've raised a few ideas for improvement. If I was WILLING to pay a monthly fee, this would not be that game I'd play.

If they EVER start charging a monthly fee in ANY way/shape/form I will be gone.

You might come back and say that i must be one of those stupid people. Those idiots. Those complainers. (Well, I guess I do complain in the form of suggestions.) The truth is, I play decently well. I am not one of the people drawing xxx pics on the mini-map. I don't ridicule noobs. If I don't like a group, I leave. I don't start groups just to leave. I don't even play with groups most of the time anymore to avoid the very people you mention. However, they have as much of a right to play this game as you or I do. Deal with it.

(speaking of joining groups and then having people ditch out...
/temporary change of subject for story time :
I was in a group in Divinity Coast the other day. The character I was on was a mesmer, and the second lowest person in th group. The lowest was a monk. Halfway through the map, the higher levels started laughing and dropped out. (stupid bastards) Then, the next two gave up and dropped. Me and the monk, the lowest two levels of the original group finished that map on our own. That may have been the funnest mission I've ever run because we had to be damn clever to make that work.)

Makkert · Jul 20, 2005, 06:06 AM // 06:06

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Originally Posted by Jwh6913

the day they start charging, I will leave GW forever

/signed.

i bought this game because they made the 'no fee' promise. that, and the game is just good.

Makkert · Jul 20, 2005, 06:08 AM // 06:08

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Originally Posted by Talesin Darkbriar

I think this is as excellent idea.
Might I suggest the following placards?

"I'm a griefing A-hole"
"I scam newbies"
"I can't shut my foul spewing pie-hole"
"phallic-obsessed"

I'm certain ANet could put polite, but humorous lingo on the signs. Perhaps if violators agreed to wear these while online for 1 week worth of playing time (actual online hours) The placard would be removed. Otherwise, stronger measures should certainly apply.

Excellent Idea Old Warrior Dood.

Talesin

/signed!
sorry for double post...

SOT · Jul 20, 2005, 06:28 AM // 06:28

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Originally Posted by Old Warrior Dood

Talesin Darkbriar layed a post out in the open. It is not a popular post...but, he at least used his brain and made a suggestion. Build on that suggestion instead of attacking it. It is easier to Destroy then Build.

SOE propoganda is not an idea any of us who love this game WILL, SHOULD, or CAN take seriously. What he did was not offer a solution to some rampant problem that anet has on its hands. What he did was post a mega rant about people who piss him off, personally, and made it a broader confrontation by insinuating a random % of people who he believes to be idiots in a game that is being played by many many people. Apparently, his pissoff should be mine, and I disagree.

As before, if you cannot ignore someone, or swap districts, then you belong offline. Trying to start a monthly fee discussion of any kind is intentionally anarchic, and is designed to get the responses that inevitably arrived. That is not seeking solutions, that is causing problems on purpose. Therefore, this thread has no merit at all.

Methuselah · Jul 20, 2005, 06:56 AM // 06:56

I agree with most of the posts here. If there were a fee, I would not be playing. I have long looked at MMORGs and never played due to the fact that some months I might have lots of gaming time, others none at all. Why would I want to pay a fee for something I would not use to the fullest?

Guild Wars offers an opportunity to play with my friends in a RPG setting for free. I dont have problems with "idiots" online because its easy to ignore idiots. I have been playing quite a bit the past few months and have only had two or three groups I joined that I felt people were playing like "idiots". I either ignored them or left.

Just keep play within your own guild or if you dont like who is playing, just like changing the TV channel or radio station, find a new game!

I also agree that the monthly fee would only give people more ammunition to whine because now they are paying for a service.

You will NEVER keep any online game "idiot" free, the larger the group...the more stupid people you have...just like in real life.

KEEP GW FREE !!

neoteo · Jul 20, 2005, 09:25 AM // 09:25

you dont need a monthly fee , the morons will leave , give it some time ... the game just started

Nad · Jul 21, 2005, 05:51 PM // 17:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talesin Darkbriar

I think this is as excellent idea.
Might I suggest the following placards?

"I'm a griefing A-hole"
"I scam newbies"
"I can't shut my foul spewing pie-hole"
"phallic-obsessed"

I'm certain ANet could put polite, but humorous lingo on the signs. Perhaps if violators agreed to wear these while online for 1 week worth of playing time (actual online hours) The placard would be removed. Otherwise, stronger measures should certainly apply.
Talesin

OMG that is the best thing ive heard in this tread so far. I would freaking love to have "I'm a griefing A-hole" over my head, so people in the arena know whats comming!!

Digitalblast · Jul 21, 2005, 06:56 PM // 18:56

This thread sucks. close and ban please.

Bloods · Jul 21, 2005, 09:59 PM // 21:59

This suggestion really sucks...
in my suggestion, if you want bad manner'ed people to stop, squelch them.

eveler890 · Aug 04, 2005, 08:55 PM // 20:55

I love guild Wars but lack the disposable income to constanty pay a monthly fee for a game - i need food and rent and college money and there are only so many hours a week that one perosn can work. I would be incradably sad if guildwars started charging because i would have to leave the first game i have fould in a LONG time that i actually enjoyed playing. my recommendation is to shut off your chat window. plz close this thread it is negitive and hurts alot of people

bobrath · Aug 04, 2005, 09:00 PM // 21:00

Of course dragging it up from 2 weeks of obscurity (last post before yours was 7/21)probably doesn't help either...

Snuk the Great · Aug 05, 2005, 12:09 AM // 00:09

well, still want to loose my egg here (lol, dont think this is used in english. It means give my opinion cause I need too :P.)
Anway, they could not even add a fee. That would be doing the opposite of what they say that they would do. Besides, this game is such a succes because it is free.
Ah oke, feels a lot better, you can close em now :P.

zehly · Aug 05, 2005, 12:45 AM // 00:45

This idea is almost as absurd as saying, "OK -- GPL software is no longer free, you must pay for all your GPL'd software." HELL NO.

Charge me for the game? Better hope I don't find the corporate bastard who signed off on that one... I'll shove a nice "Ebon Foot of Fortitude" up his....

*EDIT* Do you honestly think this game was cheap for a college student, computer hacker like me? I had to budget it in between the porn, anime, and Starbucks...