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Kishin · Aug 05, 2005, 06:02 PM // 18:02

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Originally Posted by Thomasuwoo

Erm.. So you're complaining about their effects? They have a 5 seccond cast time! Interupt them! Blackout them! Diversion them! Sig of humidity (Oath shot) them! Blind (Oath shot again) them! Or just Kill them!

Gah they can be countered lie evrything else. This takes me back to the spike build debates

I know better than anyone exactly how much time to cast, my primary character is a Ranger.

Now, let's see. Blind gets removed by a Monk with Mend. Diversion? Just wait/Oath Shot. Signet of Humility? Well, you've already got a couple down anyway, may as well wait. Blackout? Wow, you've stopped them for a whole 5 seconds. Interrupt them? Oath Shot. Especially since your average idiot team has half the team spamming spirits haphazardly, you simple cannot keep up.

What you don't understand is that there are skills built into to counter Spiking (Ie, Protective Spirit) Nothing counters Nature's Renewal but playing under Nature's Renewal, which removes a ridiculous amount of build options. Fertile Season giving spirits more HP makes killing them at any reasonable rate impossible. Oath Shot and Quickening Zephyr combined allow placement about x4 as fast as normal. Multiple Rangers doing it only makes it worse.

Please, try actually playing Guild Wars instead of suggesting obvious failed counters. Do you think if your ideas -worked- people would still be protesting and raising balance issues? Or do you believe you're the only person in Guild Wars who ever heard of Signet of Humility and Diversion?

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Originally Posted by Dan Mega

And again yesterday, my spirit team was defeated! If you cannot counter or beat the team, it means you aren't good enough at the game!

Maybe you're just not good enough at spirit spamming. I think that's more likely.

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

I don't disagree, but it would shut people up and get them thinking of new builds again. That would be a nice change.

I'd love to think of new builds, but you know, with the fact that using enchantments and hexes in Tombs is pointless, that takes awhile.

Desecration Station · Aug 05, 2005, 06:18 PM // 18:18

the fix is easy. Make it so that there can only be one spirit of said type down at once. If you cast a new spirit in the range of the old one then the old one disappears and the new one replaces it. Problem solved... no more mindless spamming, but you still have the option to effectively maintain spirits up (just takes more brains than spamming sheer numbers).

Pinch · Aug 05, 2005, 06:22 PM // 18:22

I like to dodge spirit spammers oath shot. They get awwwwwwfully mad.

Kakumei · Aug 05, 2005, 06:24 PM // 18:24

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Originally Posted by Pinch

I like to dodge spirit spammers oath shot. They get awwwwwwfully mad.

and here i thought my posts were useless

MSecorsky · Aug 05, 2005, 07:01 PM // 19:01

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Originally Posted by Kishin

I'd love to think of new builds, but you know, with the fact that using enchantments and hexes in Tombs is pointless, that takes awhile.

Which I think a signet of spirit slaying or whatever would do the trick. People could still spam spirits, but there would be a spot on folks skillbar set to minimize the impact of that.

SOT · Aug 05, 2005, 07:03 PM // 19:03

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

I don't disagree, but it would shut people up and get them thinking of new builds again. That would be a nice change.

Have you ever been around other people?

MSecorsky · Aug 05, 2005, 07:10 PM // 19:10

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Originally Posted by SOT

Have you ever been around other people?

Heh heh.. OK, maybe I'm a dreamer.

Might buy six hours peace though.

Timoz · Aug 05, 2005, 08:18 PM // 20:18

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Originally Posted by ZD_kusanagi

It really is true people. even though they DO alot of damage to teams, there ARE ways to counter them. the most prominent way is experience. you just have to know how to do it. and believe it or not, Spirit groups are not winning the HOH 80% of the time. So what does that say about you people who just can't seem to beat them no matter what? I guess it means your not good enough to beat them? It's all about skill and experience. And if you cant beat that, then i guess you dont deserve to beat it. I do realize that NR is very potent, but there are ways aroun it people. Anet knows about this build sweeping the pvp areas. If it hasn't been nerfed yet, it doesnt need to be nerfed.

Agreed. Only those who really know how to use spirits and spam properly are doing well in the tombs, others will get beaten by a good smiting team on the way. It's not spirit groups holding the HoH most of the time but healing groups like Sissy Boys, who seem to like to stand in a healing ball at the moment.

People seem to be complaining because others are, if they actually got to the hall of heroes they would notice spirit groups don't get all the way most of the time. As for NR, whats stopping any groups from using it if it really is as powerful as you seem to think? Why not use it yourself until or IF it is nerfed or changed in any way. No need to keep complaining i'm sure it will go noticed in one or two threads and on the game if anet think its that much of a problem.

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Originally Posted by Kishin

I'd love to think of new builds, but you know, with the fact that using enchantments and hexes in Tombs is pointless, that takes awhile.

Let's not over exadurate now.

It's really not impossible to counter. It's not even that hard if you think about it that much, but garunteed a good ranger team will be able to overcome you true. You can't beat everyone its the point of a strategy game, there's a counter to everything. It's the kind of skill i guess that seperates the good from the very good.

Chrisby Pwns · Aug 06, 2005, 12:13 AM // 00:13

Best Way to Nerf Spirit Spaming: Make Rangers Take -1 regen to their energy for every spirit put down.

Thomasuwoo · Aug 06, 2005, 12:26 AM // 00:26

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Originally Posted by Chrisby Pwns

Best Way to Nerf Spirit Spaming: Make Rangers Take -1 regen to their energy for every spirit put down.

you could just hit the ranger. Spring is easily interupable.

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Originally Posted by Kishin

Please, try actually playing Guild Wars instead of suggesting obvious failed counters. Do you think if your ideas -worked- people would still be protesting and raising balance issues? Or do you believe you're the only person in Guild Wars who ever heard of Signet of Humility and Diversion?

Guess you got me there Kishin. Yeah theres no way to beat then. Nope deosn't work. Odd thing is though my teams have only lost against this thing once and we were two men down by that point. Why don't you actually TRY what i suggested?

keen · Aug 07, 2005, 07:22 PM // 19:22

sissy boys is not a healing ball group. dont say what you dont know ^_^

and spirit spamming i believe in fact is imbalanced... spirit spam done RIGHT, cannot be killed without two GOOD teams in HOH.

the imbalance is that spirit spamming leads to long drawn out boring games. In the letter on gw.com they said they would address the issues that keep the game from being fun. Fighting spirit spammers has never been fun, e.g. long long boring gvgs vs KCHS, to the state of tombs today. Spirit spam groups cannot usually kill us, but there is no effective way to kill them. It should be fixed anyway to the point where one team alone has a viable chance to kill them... I remember when burial mounds would last 5 minutes... now 30+ is not uncommon.

signet of humility will work against the oath shotter, althought not well unless you have two... the best spirit groups dont have one spirit dropper, although they usually only have one oath shotter.

Thomasuwoo · Aug 07, 2005, 07:50 PM // 19:50

Righ Go here to beat em.
How to beat Spirt Spammers

Now shut up and go play.

Maltare · Aug 07, 2005, 09:09 PM // 21:09

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Originally Posted by Zell Murasame

That's a good idea, probably would need some rewording to sound more... "arcane and mystical". Oh, and Signets never cost any Energy.

But Signets have longer recast times which I think would be more important for this situation

Nash · Aug 07, 2005, 10:52 PM // 22:52

Wow, more random scrubs with no understanding, saying spirit spam is balanced. I think I'll stick with my own, Ensign's and the rest of iQ's, and pretty much the whole competitive PvP community's view on the matter.

Linkie · Aug 07, 2005, 11:14 PM // 23:14

NR would still gimp enchantments and hexes. And signets don't have energy cost (not that is matters).

Timoz · Aug 07, 2005, 11:42 PM // 23:42

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Originally Posted by keen

sissy boys is not a healing ball group. dont say what you dont know ^_^

Your right there i got the wrong guild name, i seem to remember beating the sissy boys and then they were the ones who complained at me and my guild team for beating them with sprits. I remember loads of insulting etc because they didn't win. Maybe you could explain that?

Another quick question if you check this thread again, i heard the sissy boys are offering the chance to join their guild for 10$, firstly, is this true? secondly if it is, that is stupid imo.

Spirits are unbalanced, yes. As for your part about long, boring games i gotta disagree. Personally, but this is just me, i wouldnt want games over in a flash with a quick smiting run, smiting teams bore me to death theres so many.
Yes, they're complex.
Yes, they're hard to organise.
But the builds are just lying around on forums for people to pick up, ranger teams are only good if you really know how to use them, it takes skill and even if you pick something up from a forum there are so many other things to organise.
But i guess im not with the majority and others hate ranger teams and disagree. Just speedy battles not my kinda thing, long battles require consistency and more skill (strategy).