Curse

Cat Tabby · Aug 15, 2005, 10:00 AM // 10:00

HI; not sure if this is the right area for this, sorry if it is not.

I am getting increasingly annoyed with people (in my own guild, but i suspect it is endemic) swapping from the european to the american server just so they can spend more time in the uw/fow.

Us europeans should be showing solidarity with the european guilds - special mention to Esoteric Warriors; great work guys - who battle on our behalf. Also it makes cooperating in pve difficult. You can play in the international districts, but this area is populated solely by the rather creepy role playing fraternity. I ran into a bizarre situation in serenity temple the other day; some group were holding a mock funeral for one of their memebers, who i guess had got freaked out himself and left. Also lag in the international districts sems to be worse; although i may be imagining this.

Anet should allow you to swop once, or not at all, rather than the five it currently allows.

Draco Hunt · Aug 15, 2005, 10:18 AM // 10:18

I also switched from EU 2 US territory but only 4 support 2 my guild.
I have taken the role 2 get some more money and items 4 my guild members and after about 2 weeks im outa there and b back in EU. So its not always just 4 being more in FoW and UW its 4 a real perpose 2 for some like me.

And dont worry ill get back and defend EU intressest again in a few weeks

Charcoal Ann · Aug 15, 2005, 10:26 AM // 10:26

i changed to US server cos when i was on the EU server everyone spoke either french, german or Spanish. i'm can just about understand very basic french and german but spanish and the slang used made it impossible to do anything.
in one day i found 2 english speakers, just 2!!

then i got to the missions and just gave up.

when they implemented the seperate language districts on the EU server i thought: woot!
however by this point i was in fire islands and i had trouble enough finding enough people for an ok group on the american server... on the english language part i was like the only person around...so needless to say i swapped back again.

PS: i have only been to UW or FoW 4 times ever. so favor is not the reason.

Rayea · Aug 15, 2005, 10:28 AM // 10:28

wow, i had no idea there were roleplayers in the international areas...*big grin*

dont forget the borg team..i saw them a lot on friday or satday night ^^ i was running about thinkin, Go Borg ^^
right now, im trying to get a friend to play who is kick ass at PvP. he should be able to learn the class mixes after a few weeks, then he can train players to kick some HoH but, assuming he dosent runn off to play WoW

peope will go where they want, im afraid. if they want sometihng so badly, but are, like me crap at PvP, they will just switch servers till something is done about favour. me, i stay because i cant be arsed to work out how to change it, i tend to spank thing up good when i try to change settings, so i dont bother.
that and the fact that i have not goten round to asention nor level 20 yet...so dont need the UW yet, but that dosent mean i want to have to swap to get there when i do....

Charcoal Ann · Aug 15, 2005, 10:32 AM // 10:32

I seem to remember that Anet did change the balance of HoH to favour Europeans a while back...we had the favour for a day or two then lost it and it now very rarely comes back...either Anet gave up on this idea or the americans and koreans found out how to beat it or the europeans just became more crap

Draco Hunt · Aug 15, 2005, 10:35 AM // 10:35

Yeah ok its true its sometimes hard 2 find a team in the EU territory it bothers me 2 and the language thing i also agree 2 but still there should be more language districts because sometimes we still have a language problem

But still i will defend EU untill my last breath

Rulke · Aug 15, 2005, 01:17 PM // 13:17

I changed to the American servers temporarily to get into the FoW for some gold and xp for my class change. So I switch, and the moment I'm there, America has favour. So I'm at the ToA, and I see that the only people there are people looking for smite runs to the UW. I'm a necro, so I change district to find a group there. Smite runs, and a few trappers. Another district. Smite runs again, no trappers this time. At no point do I find a group willing to take a necro, and I only rarely see anyone going to the FoW. So I switch back to Europe, where I can get a group when we have favour. So far, I've seen us with favour once since then, and that was about a month ago. So now I'm trying to get good at PvP, so I can win the Tombs for gold, and GvG for faction to kit out any new builds I feel like, but I can't find anyone to teach me, nor can I find any good guides on the internet. If anyone knows of a good guide for a PvP necro, could they tell me where it is?

(wow, that rambled a lot)

trelloskilos · Aug 15, 2005, 01:43 PM // 13:43

Solidarity in Europe? How about just changing the whole WaW concept so that everyone who buys the game gets a similar experience rather than have to put up with a reduced gameplay experience just because of location? By this, I don't just mean the times when Europe has favour, but also in the lag and language issues.

After a huge debate and long thread on this forum, I decided to switch to the US server. Aside from getting more favour, nothing has really changed. Lag still causes hiccups (but a marked improvement over Euro-servers IMO), and although there are less multiple languages, there still are other languages spoken.

Also my one thought on the whole WaW thing is that it's a good idea but severely unbalanced. Yes, there are some superb PvP European guilds such as the Esoteric Warriors, The Wrong Guild and more who I've seen take the HoH, but for every 1 European HoH-beating guild, there are at least 4 or 5 US HoH beating guilds, and more in Korea. Also, European timezones span about 2-3 hours as opposed to US timezones spanning about 5. Notwithstanding the ratio of Euro-players to US players at any given time, it just means that any Europeans wanting a sniff at UW/FoW have to wait very long for any sort of chance (I think there was one day a week or so back when Europe held favour for 1/2 a day, which recieved quite a few raised eyebrows from around the world, but other than that, it's very infrequent)

Spouting "Euro-solidarity" is as nationalist as all those true-blue xenophobic Americans who show up saying how they want their US servers for the US only. Just play the game, and stop worrying about where everyone else chooses to go.

Nash · Aug 15, 2005, 01:55 PM // 13:55

And I should care about what you tell me to do... Why?

Linkie · Aug 15, 2005, 02:05 PM // 14:05

Get off my internet.

Silmor · Aug 15, 2005, 03:13 PM // 15:13

Hi! I'm from Europe. Most of my guildmates (and thereby friends) are Americans. We like teaming up for missions and quests, and Underworld/Fissure of Woe are no exception!

Are you saying we're not allowed to play Underworld/Fissure of Woe together?

Quinn Falcon · Aug 15, 2005, 05:03 PM // 17:03

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Originally Posted by Linkie

Get off my internet.

It's mine! You're just jealous 'cos im sharing it with everyone.

Besides, the lack of favour helps in europe

if we had it all the time people wouldn't all rush to ToA when we do, and we'd have hell trying to find a full 8 people at any one time

Makkert · Aug 15, 2005, 05:20 PM // 17:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cat Tabby

HI; not sure if this is the right area for this, sorry if it is not.

I am getting increasingly annoyed with people (in my own guild, but i suspect it is endemic) swapping from the european to the american server just so they can spend more time in the uw/fow.

Us europeans should be showing solidarity with the european guilds - special mention to Esoteric Warriors; great work guys - who battle on our behalf. Also it makes cooperating in pve difficult. You can play in the international districts, but this area is populated solely by the rather creepy role playing fraternity. I ran into a bizarre situation in serenity temple the other day; some group were holding a mock funeral for one of their memebers, who i guess had got freaked out himself and left. Also lag in the international districts sems to be worse; although i may be imagining this.

Anet should allow you to swop once, or not at all, rather than the five it currently allows.

let's place this in a different light:
since I switched from Eur to US, i have access to UW/FoW. By having access to these areas, I am able to gain skillpoints WAY faster then when I wouldn't have access. Also the money is quite good, which buys unid runes. So by playing on US, you become ready for competition (disered part unlocked) WAY faster then if I would have stayed in Europe. Sorry, the system is just flawed. I sympathise with your initiative, but it doesn't work practical. And coming back after unlocking: possible, but my guild plays on US servers....

Cat Tabby · Aug 20, 2005, 10:23 AM // 10:23

O.K; Trelloskillos; correct me if i am wrong; but europe is not a nation; and even if it were, my point has little to do with nationalism, or continetalism. I was diplomatic before, but heres what I really think. The WaW concept is a good one; the reason it doesn't work is because of a rampant possesive individualism that has come to define characters in the game. It is pathetic; and is symptomatic of a crawling and parochial liberal attitude that defiles anything anything it encounters. There, I said it. And Linkie; you are a petulant child.

Cat Tabby · Aug 20, 2005, 10:41 AM // 10:41

Sorry; shouldn't have gone off on one like that. I do however think its a serious problem. Apologies to all. Thanks for the constructive responses to this post.

Cat Tabby · Aug 20, 2005, 10:43 AM // 10:43

Although Nash; for someone who lives in Sweden I am very surprised you did not understand my point; or chose not to.

Mugon M. Musashi · Aug 20, 2005, 11:22 AM // 11:22

I'll switch back when Anet removes this WaW system (or when they make virtual territories instead of real territories)

trelloskilos · Aug 20, 2005, 11:47 AM // 11:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cat Tabby

O.K; Trelloskillos; correct me if i am wrong; but europe is not a nation; and even if it were, my point has little to do with nationalism, or continetalism. I was diplomatic before, but heres what I really think. The WaW concept is a good one; the reason it doesn't work is because of a rampant possesive individualism that has come to define characters in the game. It is pathetic; and is symptomatic of a crawling and parochial liberal attitude that defiles anything anything it encounters. There, I said it. And Linkie; you are a petulant child.

To all intents and purposes, you are right, Cat. Europe is not a single nation, and I'm sure your point of view has little to do with nationalsim. I wasn't accusing you personally of being nationalist/continentalist, and if it seemed that way, I apologise. However, in-game, Europe is lumped in as one geographical entity, and hence it must be treated as such.

I am also in agreement - I like the WaW Idea. It adds interest and competition to PvP. However, it is horrendously imbalanced. I could list why, but there are already several threads that discuss this.

Also, no matter how you look at it, any player has every right to choose to switch servers for any number of reasons, and none of it should be down to euro-solidarity, or showing any support for their geographical locations. If they are unsatisfied with the performance of the European server, if they are Americans who live in Europe, but whose friends in America also play, if they are tired of grouping with non-english speaking parties, or play at odd times when the American timezone offers more opportunities for PUGs, if they're sick of waiting 2 weeks for a 1 hour slot to form a UW/FoW group and just want to play the game, who are we to tell them that they should not switch and stay where they are just because the computer that they're running Guild Wars from is situated in a certain country?

Fact is, when I log on to play, I am taking on a different persona (This is an RPG last time I checked the box). My country of residence, real name, age, personal history and attitudes to global politics become irrelevant. The same should be the case with every other gamer out there. It is a game, and a window of escapism. - The WaW concept is flawed in that respect for a start, and it cannot be denied that large contingents of Europeans curse America and Korea, while Americans curse Korea, and are largely indignant when Europe do get favour. I'm sure the same thing happens with Korea.

There SHOULD be a WaW system in the game, but I do not think it should be tied in with any real-world geographical locations, especially if there is a large slice of Tyrian history to take advantage of. How about Ascalonians vs. Krytians vs. Orrians or some-such, where (and this is the good part) anyone can pick their side and swap if they are not happy? Initially, if Anet could impose it, The US server can represent Ascalonians, Korea as Krytians, and Europe as Orr. Then, as the WaW game progresses, there will be a constant shifting of parties. Orrians will most likely osmose into one of the two larger groups, while a stalwart core group may opt to stay.

What are the advantages of this over the current WaW system?

1. The game becomes much less linked to the real world, and WaW seems more relevant to the game.
2. It sorts out any unnevenness in the current WaW system
3. PvPers wanting to try for the HoH still have their challenges, whilst PvErs who have no interest in PvP are not hindered by the goings on and can carry on with their game.
4. The only element of "racism", "nationalism" etc. will be between fictional places, so there will be no more "Get your limey asses off our US servers", or "Bloody Yanks" derogatory attitudes. Also, you'd have to be pretty sad to go around spouting "Ascalon suck! Krytia are the b3st!" etc. as on the base level, it won't mean anything to anyone, but for more serious PvPers, placing allegiances between Ascalon/Krytia/Orr can be very tactical!

Celestial Harmony · Aug 20, 2005, 12:47 PM // 12:47

Im a EU player and think the WaW system is fine as it is.

*Ducks*

No really, maybe its because I play late at night sometimes but EU seems to have favor more often then, also you don't get the 'clickyness' (oh you're not a Warrior, Monk or Trapper - you can't come in our team) that people who have switched report from the more favor-having servers

Just my 2 pound-sterling

Cat Tabby · Aug 20, 2005, 01:01 PM // 13:01

Trelloskillos; o.k, the point i was making about europe wasn't meant to be a petty one, although it may have come over as such. What I meant was that if people would associate more strongly with european guilds, the WaW system would work. If people could not swop server, the european guilds would have to find a way to gain favour if they weren't getting it. Necessity is the mother of all invention.

However, i do accept your other points as to why people may want to swap server. And I think your idea for factions rather than continental blocks is a very good one. However, one would have to be careful to avoid a World of Warcraft scenario; where 70% or so choose alliance; have to cue to get into arenas for hours; and when they do get in; get beasted by the horde who have had far more practice because they dont have to wait as long. (personally i dont mind that as I play as Tauren; but for the good of the game).

This would also avoid the absurd racist chants heard in ToA and else where, which I also find abhorent.

It definately has potential.