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Porkchop Sandwhiches · Jun 16, 2005, 09:09 PM // 21:09

No offence, but you people who complain about timing and how long things take have never played EQ

I dunno, for me this game is fantastic, lol. Right before I left EQ2 I was playing Guild Wars while camping a rare mob with my former guild in another window at the same time, haha.

There are no spawns in this game to steal, or to camp. No grinding for hours on end. My main character had about 70 days play time (yes, thats DAYS) in EQ2, while my characters time in Guild Wars is counted in hours.

Okay, I'll stop gushing

Edit: Wait, wait.

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Originally Posted by Niare

I have just one point of view about the topic of walking to complete quests. I know it's probably been brought up before, but honestly. Try playing WoW, Ultima Online (back in the day), EQ, etc. You have to walk -everywhere-. You can't warp back to town like we can in GW. Personally, I'm thankful that we can warp from town to town...Imagine having guildmates in Amnoon Oasis and you're in Lion's Arch and they want you to join them for a quest or mission or something and you have to travel from Lion's Arch to Amnoon Oasis on foot.

How I agree. When I played FFXI it took over a half hour to WALK (or Chocobo!) to places... Unless you spent a lot of time playing and unlocked all the airships, which still took a good 5-10 minutes per trip.

Makarei · Jun 17, 2005, 12:16 PM // 12:16

7 tries to kill your mirror. well the game is supose to be challenging.. not some game you pass in a few hours, just to think to yourself.. why did i buy such an easy game. ive died 46 times trying to kill a super healing boss and his minons.. but trial and error i guess. thats what i love :-)

Celes Tial · Jun 17, 2005, 01:50 PM // 13:50

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Originally Posted by Louis Ste Colombe

I fully understand the problem. I played MTW/RTW in a clan with 50% real girls, and there were no way we would have accepted TS/ Vent.

Huh? Why would having 'real girls' be a reason to not accept TS/vent within your clan? I'm a bit confused.

Maybe the 'real girls' were male after all, but didnt want you to know?

Louis Ste Colombe · Jun 17, 2005, 02:31 PM // 14:31

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Originally Posted by Celes Tial

Huh? Why would having 'real girls' be a reason to not accept TS/vent within your clan? I'm a bit confused.

Maybe the 'real girls' were male after all, but didnt want you to know?

Something about jealous hubby not playing and some online sex practices...

Furthermore... We're an international clan, for many members, writing/reading or using in game interface for message was a lot easier than teamspeak.

Louis,

Celes Tial · Jun 17, 2005, 02:42 PM // 14:42

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Originally Posted by Louis Ste Colombe

Something about jealous hubby not playing and some online sex practices...

Now I'm more confused... the jealous hubby lets them play GW, but doesnt let them use a voice chat interface where he could actually hear every word and confirm it is not sex-related (as opposed to text?)

If there are some online sex practices, I doubt they depend on using voicechat or not... and I still think your real girls werent real girls after all. That argument just doesnt make much sense to me, heh.

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Originally Posted by Louis Ste Colombe

Furthermore... We're an international clan, for many members, writing/reading or using in game interface for message was a lot easier than teamspeak.

Louis,

Thats a valid argument and one that I understand entirely. However, I was only confused about 'having real girls' being a reason against voicechat. I understand there are other good points against it, but the girls one just doesnt make any sense to me.

Jawz Swordthane · Jun 17, 2005, 03:10 PM // 15:10

To orignal poster:

How dare you say something bad about this game! If you have ever played it you would know that it is the greatest game ever and there are absolutley no flaws in it. You are just a whining noob. How dare you have a different opinion from the rest of the fanboy's on these forums?!

Bloodyblackthorn · Jun 17, 2005, 11:22 PM // 23:22

ditto :P

funbun · Jun 18, 2005, 02:26 AM // 02:26

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Originally Posted by ManadartheHealer

First, I doubt it is the worst community ever (from my experience). I have yet to run into these "extremely immature people (maybe because I play mostly at night, after their "bed-time" lol).

Second, I am a monk (and I hope not a jackass, but I try my best

). i do not think healing is a tedious job, because I am Heal/Smite skill build (can deal some damage too, but since I got to the Desert, I found myself equipping much more healing spells than I used to have

) Taking monks out and giving every class good healing would not work, and create tons of balance issues...

Next, there is only a grind if you want it to be there. I got level 20 rather quickly, and not "grinding" a single second, but rather calmly and slowly exploring and taking in the scenery. I got level 20 after 80 or so hours because of this. The problem is probably you wanted to get there so fast

About the difficulty, of course Ascension is supposed to be hard. If it were easy, it would just be crap and boring... So far, the main problems you are having is because you want everything NOW, rather than actually playing through the game to get it.

And Guild stuff is expensive so that one person can just walk in and make a "one man guild" with everything. You have to get a group that is willing to donate funds towards these ends.

I do think there are some things wrong with this game. Luckily, all or most can be fixed with the free live updates, and the rest will be resolved in the expansion pack. However, if you do not like the game, i strongly encourage you to start playing a different one, as games are supposed to be for fun anyway.

I agree. The game is about team work. Most people don;t even understand the fendamentrakls of team play. If you think Monk are jackasses, I meet Tanks who were equally stupid 10:1 ratio.

The game ist that hard. It's all team work:

1. Call targets (preferably Rangers or tanks)
3. Everyone attack the same target
2. Follow the leader
3. Pull enemies toward you (preferrably Rangers)
4. Never wonder off alone
5. Don't aggro

These simple guide line can make the game easy. If you don't folow them the game will be almost impossible. Good teamwork is needed. Make sure your team has spells to compliment each other. For instance, Necromancer Blood Well, Elemenist Ward Against Melee, and Monk Balthazar's Aura. Just those 3 spells would ensure victory in almost any PvE mission.

So when picking team make sure everyone 's spells complememnts each other.

Spartan2 · Jun 18, 2005, 06:45 AM // 06:45

Lol this argument is like complaining that their is porn on the internet

Who knew? Get used to the fact that there are morons in this game; there are morons abundant in life too!
"The hardest thing to accept is the fact that you are the only one that can get yourself angry" : My Grandpa said that

ManadartheHealer · Jun 18, 2005, 06:47 AM // 06:47

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Originally Posted by Spartan2

"The hardest thing to accept is the fact that you are the only one that can get yourself angry" : My Grandpa said that

Your grandfather is an intelligent man.

Reflex Dragonfire · Jun 18, 2005, 09:42 AM // 09:42

Yeah.....you are right about some stuff, but i still like the game but there are a lot of people in it that show no respect to other players at all. i started with a ranger monk so i have almost all monk skills.i desided to make a pvp monk and it aint hard to find a party then unlike with my ranger. I think i am doing a good job as a monk aslong as they dont drain my energy wich happens a lot...then i cant heal anyone and they start calling me a noob and other names and stuff. i just ignore them coz they are the ones who think they are he best out there but they dont even know that someone can be drained out of energy. and there are other things like that. ones someone reaches lvl 20 they start to think they are better then someone else. but most of the time they are not.....the are just ******** .... cant say that here. the best way to enjoy is to do things whit youre own guild members. atleast they show respect and you can tell them why things went wrong so they can support u next time

Lamoi · Jun 18, 2005, 11:06 AM // 11:06

Okay Garric and Co. you have a serious dis-advantage here. Your're outnumbered and outnumbered by people with good vocabularies! I think this is the first fourm where I've seen true enough in the proper context and without removed e's or added f's (tru enuf). Also since your outnumbered you should and still can make it all easier. Conform to peer pressure! I do it all the time at school and it gives you a hollow sense of pride! It's awesome. All the cool me's do it.

EmperorTippy · Jun 18, 2005, 11:23 AM // 11:23

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Originally Posted by Lamoi

Okay Garric and Co. you have a serious dis-advantage here. Your're outnumbered and outnumbered by people with good vocabularies! I think this is the first fourm where I've seen true enough in the proper context and without removed e's or added f's (tru enuf). Also since your outnumbered you should and still can make it all easier. Conform to peer pressure! I do it all the time at school and it gives you a hollow sense of pride! It's awesome. All the cool me's do it.

lol

While you do bring up a few good points Garric, manily about the crappeness of the community, you have some seriously flawed arguments.

First you bring up monks/healers with *****y attitudes. This is usally caused by a lack of good groups and bad groups blaming the monk for the stupidity leading to there death (althrough there are some just plain sucky healers out there). The monks are also mad because they have reached a mission that they cant figuire out how to do with henchies.

Next you mention that there is serious grind. As others in this thread have stated when compared to othe online games there is little grind.

You also say that this game is too hard. This is a horrible lie. I beat the game in about 60 hours of play using a combination of henchies and humans. Teamwork is what makes this game easy or hard. If you dont no what teamwork is well then you should probably go and play Starcraft or an FPS.

Lt.Crumpet · Jun 22, 2005, 01:43 AM // 01:43

honestly garric stop complaining. i dont kno why im typing this seeing as your type will just say that im a pompus beurocrat or somthing but im typing it anyway. did u every come to realize that the community u complain about sounds an awful lot like you? sure the snotty monk says he wont heal u, but then u flame the monk! how convientiently u left the last part out! if u got a problem witht the game, please stop playing. i really wont mind.

liuzg · Jun 22, 2005, 10:10 AM // 10:10

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Originally Posted by Mistress Eyahl

Just out of interest, if you don't want quests which involve, "Talk Walk Fight Talk Fight Walk Reward" ... then what would you like? I mean, the whole bases of this game is a storyline. To find out information and the story you need to talk to people.

I know!
Garric should go play 'The Sims (1 or 2)'!
Or maybe he should play 'Dynasty Warrior'!Oh wait, that isnt RPG.........

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Don't understand why you have to moan about a game that you don't like. If you don't like it, make your own.

If he puts the same amount of effort on learning programming instead of ranting,he might become the next Sid Meier~~~:b

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I always feel bad for people who developed the game if they see stuff like this. They worked so hard to try and bring you everything they think you want. Come on, this MMORPG has some really strong points. Seems when you moan you just throw it back in their faces. Beggars can't be choosers.

This game is the first of its kind,so expect flaws.

Nokomis · Jun 22, 2005, 01:28 PM // 13:28

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Originally Posted by Jawz Swordthane

To orignal poster:

How dare you say something bad about this game! If you have ever played it you would know that it is the greatest game ever and there are absolutley no flaws in it. You are just a whining noob. How dare you have a different opinion from the rest of the fanboy's on these forums?!

LOL. Good one. That is pretty much spot-on mockery of what many here post.

--Nokomis

Nokomis · Jun 22, 2005, 01:35 PM // 13:35

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Originally Posted by Celes Tial

Now I'm more confused... the jealous hubby lets them play GW, but doesnt let them use a voice chat interface where he could actually hear every word and confirm it is not sex-related (as opposed to text?)

If there are some online sex practices, I doubt they depend on using voicechat or not... and I still think your real girls werent real girls after all. That argument just doesnt make much sense to me, heh.

Thats a valid argument and one that I understand entirely. However, I was only confused about 'having real girls' being a reason against voicechat. I understand there are other good points against it, but the girls one just doesnt make any sense to me.

I believe many women playing online games don't choose to use voice chat because the mere sound of a female voice triggers the less mature adolescent males in the game to start uttering moronic pick-up lines and worse. Seriously. They hear a female voice and WHAM....they try to start an online nookie session right there in the middle of a mission. With a complete stranger. It is beyond pathetic. MOST guys wouldn't do this, I know, but believe me, it happens to female gamers of all ages. :-( Every female gamer I know is reluctant to use voice chat in an online game unless only playing with people she knows. And most of us hide our gender at least half the time.

--Nokomis

Celes Tial · Jun 22, 2005, 01:46 PM // 13:46

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Originally Posted by Nokomis

I believe many women playing online games don't choose to use voice chat because the mere sound of a female voice triggers the less mature adolescent males in the game to start uttering moronic pick-up lines and worse.

That is possible, though I have never experienced it. However, I found it odd in the case mentioned because Louis said having female players was a reason against using team chat among guild members in his guild. I doubt their guildmates would have harassed those women. Which is why the argument made no sense to me.

I have never experienced any problems maybe because I am pretty picky who I use TS with. I dont use it for any PvE, except -maybe- for underworld / fissure if the group seems mature and experienced. If they have no clue what they are doing, TS doesnt fix a thing, and using it is pointless.

The reaction I usually get is interrupted sentences followed by surprised silence as soon as I say something for the first time, but so far I havent heard any comments whatsoever. If I ever get an immature stupid comment, I'll tell them thank you for letting me know I'd be better off in another group.

I know I'm derailing the thread, but it was another of those flame-fests with endlessly echoed arguments anyway.

ElderAtronach · Jun 22, 2005, 02:16 PM // 14:16

I'd just like to say... You don't need a primary monk for the PvE missions. You really don't.

I've done Ring of Fire and Hell's Precipice (last 2 missions in the game) with either no monk, or in a party where our monk had to leave or got d/c. Your party just needs to know how to work together and be organized. Also packing self heals doesn't hurt either, and I find the seeming over-reliance on monks is because people just don't know how the hell to keep themselves and their team alive, using *gasp* strategy!

This game is only hard if you don't know how to use the skills available to you, effectively. It's a skill-based game, and it was even advertised as such.

younggun87 · Jun 27, 2005, 04:50 PM // 16:50

Ok... I have skimmed through this thread and all that comes into my eyes are Garric VS MCS little fray.

Well, I aint here to flame this conflict further on. All I have got to say to both GW players is that...

To Garric: if you don't like this game, which seems to be the case, why not try other games out? This game obviously does not suit your taste.. and it seems silly how you come back to this GW forum (the game which you aren't satisfied with) and pin back flaming replies back at MCS. If you do not like the game, there isn't a single reason why you should visit this forum.

To MCS: with all due respect, which I have gathered from your post on "100k+ trading" which is some spectacular idea, I am tentatively sensing an equally immature part of your replies.. I understand your discontentment towards Garric for posting a very very long, and somewhat "whinning" thread, however, there seems very little reason behind typing out the entire conversation you supposedly had with Garric via an online chatting system. I trust that you were in a bad mood..

Well, my comment ends here. Just have fun with w/e game, leisure, activities you choose to pursuit. If you do not like it, why struggly to like it or hate it? I personally enjoy this game very much and I hope all the other GW players are feeling the same.

Garric, this might help you out:

"God grant me the strength to change the things I can, and the courage to embrace the things that I can't"