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Arcanis Imperium · Aug 22, 2005, 08:52 AM // 08:52

Fine you know what, if people dont want this spell changed.

Then change this: Just like Supervixen suggested. The Requirement on the staves. For casters it deals with the type of magic they use. Fine, if say my staff or wand has a Req of 8 in Fire Magic, and I have a 12, then my Staff/Wand should be stronger because of it.

Its not Staff Mastery, but its being stronger in the category that my weapon is tied to.

I'm not saying that Staffs should do 50 damage a hit. But they should be allowed to atleast hit somwhere in the 11-22 damage range they have at Max. When was the last time you ever saw a max damage Melee weapon do under its damage cap, without the opponent having some extra armor spell on?

Eripens Vitae · Aug 22, 2005, 08:52 AM // 08:52

A staff isnt meant to deal the same damage as a sword/axe/hammer, because if it would, then the casters would also have a lot more painful skills to go with that already painful weapon. And a staff still does a decent amount of damage to a caster, i hit for 10-20 on them most of the time.
Wouldnt illusionary weaponry be completely out of flavor for a warrior as well? They already use weapons who can deal that amount of damage, so why would they want to change taht if it prevents them from executing special attacks.

Arcanis Imperium · Aug 22, 2005, 08:54 AM // 08:54

I give up, I'm just not gonna win this.

I'll find some other way to make my staff stronger, this is RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing biased.

Supervixen · Aug 22, 2005, 09:08 AM // 09:08

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Originally Posted by Arcanis Imperium

And you know what else, editing your posts to reply to me is really freaking childish, knock it the hell off. Oh, there's no staff mastery in the game? hey, guess what there should be? What's my primary attritbute? Fast Casting, hey I use Air magic, whoops, dont need Fast Casting... Stop bitching at me because I dont want to be just another mindless caster who cant do anything else but do his spells. Narrow vision of playing, yeah right. I want something changed so I can be more than what I am, and your calling my style of play narrow.

Weapons do damage, casters use projectiles, if the weapon isnt doing damage, then the attack isnt working. I dont use Inspiration Magic, so I dont have energy stealing. I cant take energy for my spells. Hey look at that, Mesmer spells have HUGE cast costs, you cant spam them.

So you Fast Cast the spells, and then your out of energy, oh what should you do? I know, I'll sit there with my thumb up my ass since I cant attack with my staff because there's no freaking way to make it stronger!

Uh, newsflash, I edit to reply to your edits. If you'd stop editing then my post would actually reflect an accurate reply to what you first posted. So now you're editing to reply to my editing that replied to your editing. Pot calling kettle isn't it?

Well, yes, if other people can work with the skill and you can't, who's the one who needs to change his playstyle? I'll give you two chances to guess correctly.

If you're playing with Air, the exhaustion that comes with key Air spells demands that you learn how to manage your energy wisely. If you don't and find yourself using your staff then seriously, learn better energy management. Don't demand for a skill to be adjusted just because you refuse to do that. It's simply not a valid argument.

Indeed, you're not going to win this. Not even with bringing melee weapons into the picture. If you think what you're doing with a staff now is bad, wait till you see -0s floating up from the head of some level 28 boss, who isn't using an armour buff...

Nightwish · Aug 22, 2005, 09:12 AM // 09:12

I have to disagree with allowing IW usable by long range weaps. How can you expect warriors to continue existing if even casters can do such constant damage =/ Why would I play a warrior when I can switch to IW on my caster and slash from afar for 40dmg/hit :P

Thomasuwoo · Aug 22, 2005, 09:13 AM // 09:13

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Originally Posted by emil knight

Wow yeah... this would be overpowered. I could use my Ranger and hit you from a distance for 30+ chaos damage which was unblockable unless someone blinded me. All I'd have to do is hit Tiger's Fury and you'd be toast.

Blind doesn't effect illusionary weaponry since you technicle avided it anyway. The only way to stop a mesmer from hitting you with Illusionary is to strip/shatter the enchantment or keep out of melee raduis. No blinding, dodging, blocking will have any effect...

Oh, Pacifism and Amnity will stop the atatck.

If you want to do damage with a ranged waepon then you should be using the ranger class. As a caster the only time you should be attacking with a staff is when you want to stop a ranger laying a trap. Notice how you can't get sundering staffs? It's is because a staff is a defensive weapon in guild wars.

Illusionary is a great way to get a warrior off your back. Chuck it on and follow it up with distrotion. The warrior won't be able to hit you much and you'll be knocking off around 37 hp an attack. Because it ignores armour it's great for heavily armoured foes.

Anyway I belive it's fine as it is now and I've said all i need to say on this topic.

Arcanis Imperium · Aug 22, 2005, 09:21 AM // 09:21

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Originally Posted by Supervixen

Uh, newsflash, I edit to reply to your edits. If you'd stop editing then my post would actually reflect an accurate reply to what you first posted. So now you're editing to reply to my editing that replied to your editing. Pot calling kettle isn't it?

Well, yes, if other people can work with the skill and you can't, who's the one who needs to change his playstyle? I'll give you two chances to guess correctly.

If you're playing with Air, the exhaustion that comes with key Air spells demands that you learn how to manage your energy wisely. If you don't and find yourself using your staff then seriously, learn better energy management. Don't demand for a skill to be adjusted just because you refuse to do that. It's simply not a valid argument.

Indeed, you're not going to win this. Not even with bringing melee weapons into the picture. If you think what you're doing with a staff now is bad, wait till you see -0s floating up from the head of some level 28 boss, who isn't using an armour buff...

Dont talk down to me like some noob, I've been playing long enough to know exactly what I'm complaining about. You have no right to treat me with the type of disrespect that you are. I did nothing to you personally, I spoke my opinion, you bring my play ability into this.

Well screw you then.

I use Chain Lighting as my only Exhaustion spell, and I dont spam use it, cause I know better than to drain myself. I never let my energy fall to zero. I'm not saying Staves or Wands should have specialty attacks, I'm not saying that I should be able to do major damage like a warrior each hit.

I'm saying that I should be allowed to use a temporary enchantment, that can be stripped pretty easily, to up the attack of my weapon for under a minute. Am I gonna crush someone in this attack form? Hell no. Am I gonna atleast be able to add to the damage my spells are doing? Yes.

This isnt highly unreasonable. Being able to do damage with a weapon. And not even huge ammounts, just justifiable 10 or 15 per hit.

If this is so unreasonable, maybe the problem isnt me. Maybe the problem is people who think they're class would be underpowered because my class got a little added power.

And if that's the case, then I'm not the one who needs to change.

Warlawk · Aug 22, 2005, 09:31 AM // 09:31

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Originally Posted by Arcanis Imperium

I give up, I'm just not gonna win this.

I'll find some other way to make my staff stronger, this is RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing biased.

the tools are there, you jsut refuse to use them, and would rather whine for a skill to be buffed in a way that would completely destroy game balance instead... wow, you sure showed us.

ok, so IW works on staves... and likely wands. why wouldnt it work with bows?

and youre completely wrong, chaos damage DOES ignore armor. watch your chaos strom damage, it will hit warriors for full damage every time, ignoring thier armor. your staff on the other hand, doesnt do chaos damage.

the problem with your little arguement here is that you refuse to look at the bigger picture. you want IW to work for your staff so you can feel uber in pve after your pisspoor build with no energy management has cast itself to uselessness. well... hey, lets take a look at pvp, since after all thats what this is supposed to be all about.

IW works with staves, and likely wands. sweet, how do ya like my w/me with a wand an shield using flurry to rip apart your whole team with ranged IW attacks? how bout that ranger with all his fancy stances so he can laugh at warriors, and his nice elemental resistant armor so he can laugh at eles while he uses tigers fury and a wand (assuming IW doesnt work with a bow) to destroy the guild lord in gvg, solo.

hey, heres a viable suggestion for the OP... remove head from ass BEFORE posting. youre an idiot, and with every post youre just digging yourself deeper.

Silmor · Aug 22, 2005, 01:20 PM // 13:20

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Originally Posted by Arcanis Imperium

I use Chain Lighting as my only Exhaustion spell, and I dont spam use it, cause I know better than to drain myself. I never let my energy fall to zero. I'm not saying Staves or Wands should have specialty attacks, I'm not saying that I should be able to do major damage like a warrior each hit.

Energy Management comes in five forms:
- using skills that reduce the energy cost of other skills (Divine Spirit, Glyph of Energy, etc.)
- using skills that replenish your energy (Energy Drain, Ether Renewal, etc.)
- using skills that improve the efficiency of other skills allowing you to use up less energy for a sufficient effect (Divine Boon, Blessed Aura, etc; note that this only applies to reactive builds such as a healing monk)
- using weapons to replenish energy (zealous upgrade)
- increasing attributes that have innate energy management properties (Expertise, Soul Reaping, etc.)

Not using spells to preserve energy has nothing to do with energy management. While you're not doing anything, nothing happens. An elementalist not casting spells isn't managing his energy, he's just being useless.

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I'm saying that I should be allowed to use a temporary enchantment, that can be stripped pretty easily, to up the attack of my weapon for under a minute. Am I gonna crush someone in this attack form? Hell no. Am I gonna atleast be able to add to the damage my spells are doing? Yes.

Hello Conjure Flame/Frost/Lightning! Look at that, spells that add on damage to your wand/staff attacks, check. Operate from a distance, check. Enchantment lasting just under a minute, check.

It's not like you haven't got anything to protect yourself close to enemies. There's Physical Resistance to shield you in pretty comfortably against opposing physical (warrior/ranger) damage, there's Distortion (illusion as well, look at that!) to get 75% chance to evade any incoming attacks. If you're facing a caster, bring Blackout to put a pause to his skills while you chop away. But really, don't even consider bringing Illusionary Weaponry without 16 illusion and an attack speed buff, or you're simply wasting time. This is not a skill tailored to incidental use from a distance between skills, this is a skill to provide armour-ignoring unblockable undodgeable damage, and the trade-off for this power is having to approach your opponent. Balance is a bitch.

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Originally Posted by Warlawk

and youre completely wrong, chaos damage DOES ignore armor. watch your chaos strom damage, it will hit warriors for full damage every time, ignoring thier armor. your staff on the other hand, doesnt do chaos damage.

Chaos damage doesn't ignore armour, which is quite evident from every mesmer wand and staff available. Skills like Chaos Storm ignores armour, sure - but that's because the skill ignores armour, not the damage type. Don't spread misinformation.

Iceciro · Aug 22, 2005, 03:10 PM // 15:10

Chaos damage just means it doesnt have an elemental or physical type - you cant add specific extra defense to it. But basic armor works on it, except for the mentioned skills.

Arcanis Imperium · Aug 22, 2005, 05:22 PM // 17:22

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Originally Posted by Warlawk

and youre completely wrong, chaos damage DOES ignore armor. watch your chaos strom damage, it will hit warriors for full damage every time, ignoring thier armor. your staff on the other hand, doesnt do chaos damage.

Oh, so that's why my staff says "Chaos Dmg: 11-22" because it doesnt do Chaos Damage..... yeah, and I'm the idiot...also FYI the spell Chaos Storm, doesnt say it does Chaos Dmg. Name one spell that does a certain type of damage, and doesnt say that it does....

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Originally Posted by Warlawk

the problem with your little arguement here is that you refuse to look at the bigger picture. you want IW to work for your staff so you can feel uber in pve after your pisspoor build with no energy management has cast itself to uselessness. well... hey, lets take a look at pvp, since after all thats what this is supposed to be all about.

Pisspoor build huh, what's my build? Do you know it? Tell me it. Tell me how you know its piss poor. Want to know it?

Empathy
Energy Surge
Conjure Phantasm
Chaos Storm
Lightning Strike
Envenerating Charge
Chain Lightning
Conjure Lightning

Is it really that piss poor? huh? Tell me which spell sucks, I'm sure I'm the only one who uses them...

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Originally Posted by Warlawk

IW works with staves, and likely wands. sweet, how do ya like my w/me with a wand an shield using flurry to rip apart your whole team with ranged IW attacks? how bout that ranger with all his fancy stances so he can laugh at warriors, and his nice elemental resistant armor so he can laugh at eles while he uses tigers fury and a wand (assuming IW doesnt work with a bow) to destroy the guild lord in gvg, solo.

I gave up on IW last night, where have you been? I'm talking about creating something else now. Get with the program buddy...

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Originally Posted by Warlawk

hey, heres a viable suggestion for the OP... remove head from ass BEFORE posting. youre an idiot, and with every post youre just digging yourself deeper.

Tell you what, I'll take my head out of my ass, when you stop blowing yourself for fun and profit. Sound fair? You're the idiot, and you shouldnt have even bothered posting. Jeez... Like I said, dont f'ing attack me personally, you're just a moron for doing so. And your an f'n n00b if you keep doing it.

Cant you have a rational rebuttal, or do you have to insult me some more to make a point?

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Originally Posted by Silmor

Hello Conjure Flame/Frost/Lightning! Look at that, spells that add on damage to your wand/staff attacks, check. Operate from a distance, check. Enchantment lasting just under a minute, check.

No offense man, but read my first post. I said I want a spell that upgrades my Mesmer Staff. Try to keep up here.

Someone close this, I'm sick of watching people be morons because I said one suggestion. Wow, this thread was really worth all the time you people put into it to try to make yourselves feel big by trying to make me feel like crap.

Guess what, you didnt, and I still have the same opinion. That make me an idiot in your opinion, I dont care. Too bad. Sorry, I'll cry over it later. Wait, no I wont.

If it doesnt get closed, go ahead to keep insulting me, I'm not checking this thing anymore. Enjoy.

Born · Aug 24, 2005, 10:40 PM // 22:40

If IW worked with every weapon this would be my build :

Mesmer / Ranger

1) IW
2) Dual Shot
3) Lightning Reflexes

IW damage = 38 x 33% speed x dual shot + use long bow with the 1.5x range.
No one could even get near you, they would be dead trying to run up to cast or melee.

BUT it doesnt work with bows, too bad it would have been fun.

Forboding Angel · Aug 24, 2005, 10:55 PM // 22:55

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Originally Posted by Arcanis Imperium

Oh, so that's why my staff says "Chaos Dmg: 11-22" because it doesnt do Chaos Damage..... yeah, and I'm the idiot...also FYI the spell Chaos Storm, doesnt say it does Chaos Dmg. Name one spell that does a certain type of damage, and doesnt say that it does....

Pisspoor build huh, what's my build? Do you know it? Tell me it. Tell me how you know its piss poor. Want to know it?

Empathy
Energy Surge
Conjure Phantasm
Chaos Storm
Lightning Strike
Envenerating Charge
Chain Lightning
Conjure Lightning

Is it really that piss poor? huh? Tell me which spell sucks, I'm sure I'm the only one who uses them...

I gave up on IW last night, where have you been? I'm talking about creating something else now. Get with the program buddy...

Tell you what, I'll take my head out of my ass, when you stop blowing yourself for fun and profit. Sound fair? You're the idiot, and you shouldnt have even bothered posting. Jeez... Like I said, dont f'ing attack me personally, you're just a moron for doing so. And your an f'n n00b if you keep doing it.

Cant you have a rational rebuttal, or do you have to insult me some more to make a point?

No offense man, but read my first post. I said I want a spell that upgrades my Mesmer Staff. Try to keep up here.

Someone close this, I'm sick of watching people be morons because I said one suggestion. Wow, this thread was really worth all the time you people put into it to try to make yourselves feel big by trying to make me feel like crap.

Guess what, you didnt, and I still have the same opinion. That make me an idiot in your opinion, I dont care. Too bad. Sorry, I'll cry over it later. Wait, no I wont.

If it doesnt get closed, go ahead to keep insulting me, I'm not checking this thing anymore. Enjoy.

This is why guild wars should have an IQ test before allowing some kid to play.