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medikamen · Aug 24, 2005, 02:12 PM // 14:12

WHY is it everyone always wants to NERF the hell out of everything? For god's sake almost any class can solo - the auto nerfage of drops when one enters an area to many times is sufficiant. Quit complaining!

DioneR · Aug 24, 2005, 02:45 PM // 14:45

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Originally Posted by Argon The Seeker

Now I probobly shoulden't be saying this as I am currently createing a UW solo monk myself. But what if The Devs Raised the prices of superior runes in stalls and lowered the HP Drop? This way monks would be unable to lower their health so far rendering them mostly useless.

First off look at everything that has been nerfed,Anet doesnt plan on nerfing build configurations. The plan for the game was to discover these configs. To have someone figure this out ,taking hours and hours prefecting it just for Anet to destory it because its to good, would lose customers and players.

intense · Aug 24, 2005, 03:23 PM // 15:23

whaou Me/mo can do UW solo ??
pls what is the build ? because im curious to know what kind of skills should be use.
thx

Jessy · Aug 24, 2005, 03:47 PM // 15:47

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

... My biggest reason for nerfing it is because of the lack of monks available for groups now ... there's definitely a large population of warriors for groups so it's ok if they can solo stuff. ... Mesmers & Necros & Rangers also, but, not Elemetals, we need them for groups also ...

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coleslawdressin · Aug 24, 2005, 03:58 PM // 15:58

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Originally Posted by Jessy

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/signed (not the nerfage though)

why in the name of the holy red engine should they nerf prot bond/solo monks

you cant force me to team noob w/mo's who take no defensive stance/spell or ele's who try to tank everything then bitch at me when I cant heal them for 300 life per second - nerf whatever we will still be soloing somewhere somehow, not grouping random, strategy lacking newbs for missions

if they somehow mess up and really nerf the uw with enchant rending mobs in the front room.. ecto is headed to 20k+ prices... then we have 2 big groups of people whining:

- all of the 105 monks
- everyone else who wants fissure armor will bitch about trader prices

you people who want 105 nerfed are a vocal minority who dont deserve to be listened to. stop trying to ruin the game out of jealousy/laziness

Nec Romantic · Aug 24, 2005, 03:59 PM // 15:59

I'm not sure if anyone mentioned it, but all you have to do to get rid of soloing builds that use enchantments like invicimonks is have more monsters mixed in with the current ones that strip enchantments. No changing of skills necessary.

BierStark · Aug 24, 2005, 03:59 PM // 15:59

Who cares if they can solo the UW or not... if you are that bent out of shape about it, create a monk and get him ready to go do it yourself... it shouldn't take that long to setup.

I don't care if Mo/*, W/*, R/*, E/*, N/*, Me/* can solo anything... if someone figures out how to do it, then good for them. If someone wants to farm solo, then good for them. Let people play the way they want to play.

Jessy · Aug 24, 2005, 04:15 PM // 16:15

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Originally Posted by Nec Romantic

I'm not sure if anyone mentioned it, but all you have to do to get rid of soloing builds ... like ...monks is ...

I'm not sure if anyone mentioned it, but all you have to do to get rid of your chance to ever get healed is ...

Nash · Aug 24, 2005, 05:04 PM // 17:04

Nerf all skills, you can farm with them.

Sturmkoenig · Aug 24, 2005, 05:56 PM // 17:56

@LathalDraugr:
you do actually not want to get the point as it seems to me.
maybe you are a beneficary of the UW solo build yourself.
you should not look at my point from a selfish point of view and think other ppl would be as well selfish (that's what you are trying to allege to me)
however, everyone who has no monk at lvl20 (and that may not only be me but like half of the population, is in a disadvantage in farming UW.
you say, that i should be farming with my W/Mo but however, this hole topic is not about farming, but about solo-farming UW and nothing else.

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So you were in a team with no enchant removal or health degen and you're complaining you couldn't win?

the hell, i'm not complaining. i underlined, that this only happened 1 single time, so to say there is only like a 1% chance, that they can be effective and nothin more...

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Originally Posted by coleslawdressing

you people who want 105 nerfed are a vocal minority who dont deserve to be listened to. stop trying to ruin the game out of jealousy/laziness

ppl who jump at others for a nerfing issues have really proven to be arrogant and selfish. thank you mr. coles for underlining this point with a selfsacrifice

it is always the same here in a nerfing issue:
one side screams out loud: no one cares, it is good that way, ...economy... prices... only whiners if it is changed...
...but they don't see that they are the whiners themself, being beneficated as it is now and would rather die befor dropping an unbalanced advantage.

BierStark · Aug 24, 2005, 06:10 PM // 18:10

But the point is that someone figured out how to do it with the monk by playing the game, experimenting, rinse, repeat.... No one has just been able to figure it out with the other professions yet. You want to take away someone's hard work (these solo farm builds didn't just fall out of the sky).

My point is, if you have an issue with it, go try it for yourself with a different profession or create a monk if you want to farm. I don't solo farm the UW, but I don't care if other people do. If I get to where I want to solo farm, then I'll level up my monk or experiement with different builds.

Kampfkeks · Aug 24, 2005, 06:35 PM // 18:35

*sigh*
Did anyone scream "nerf the warriors!" when they were the king of the farming hill?" :/
Did anyone scream "nerf the rangers!" when they were starting to trap down there?" :/
Did anyone scream "nerf the elementalists!" when they found out how to farm Kryta?" :/
Did anyone scream "nerf the necromancers!" when they... well no clue where they farm."
Did anyone scream "nerf the mesmers!" when they started to use their secondary to farm?" :/

The answer to all of these questions is... no, only a few did so. So why... oh why do you insist on nerfing the monk farming? I just do not understand that. Let them have that build, it doesn't matter to me. I'm playing a monk myself, tried it one or two times with great success and a lot of boredom before it became the mega hype. Thats when i stopped doing it as it bored me to death. I'm just saying this so no one implies personal selfish motivation in my statement.

What i fail to grasp here is, why should the monks get heavy nerfs while every other class is allowed to carry on? Could anyone give me a valid reason with former logic backup behind it that is not made up out of... well made up numbers...

And again, as i feel my former argument being misunderstood. A lot of those people who made the monk to farm the Underworld made it for that sole purpose and will just delete it when it gets nerfed. And the few that started to like the class while farming down there are mostly poor played monks.
To give a somewhat picturelike comparison: Take a medieval Priest and force him to engage the hyperspace drive of your Starship. Boom. Failure is like a written plot by then.
Would you want such a medieval priest in charge of your precious hyperspace drive? Probably no. Why do you want poorly played monks in charge of your health then? This is basically asking for the same thing. A guaranteed failure.

I'm making that up a bit from myself, but to be a good monk player you need dedication and a deep will to accept your support role (well and a bullshit load of bashing and complaints from lousy players ^^). I'd never prefer to go into those places alone with my monk if i don't have too and every good played monk i got the honor to play with, thought along. Those are the ones you want in your team, not the farmers and stuff. Sure they have Monk labeled on their class, but just like every fake, it's not the real thing

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Not to mention it takes a lot of time to get a monk to work. A long long process you just can't skip (and certainly should not skip) to become a good player. Even if the 105/55 Farmingmonk understood that Mending is a big no no when fighting in several places, he will have a lousy... LOUSY energy management and run dry real fast. That is the magic i'm speaking about. Those just didn't learn to manage their energy. Sure they can spam now and then, even the most dumb kid can do that.
But what if the energy is used up? You'll notice those monks being sitting ducks while you see the good ones keep on casting like they have infinite energy (this is probably what made some wa/mos rush mobs, they did happen to have a truely dedicated monk ^^)

I hope it now did get across.

Most 105/55 Monks = Inexperienced Monkplayers who never did anything but use the 105 Build. Unleashing those onto the normal PVE Crowd will get a devastatingly critical situation.

lishi · Aug 24, 2005, 06:53 PM // 18:53

well if they nerf the monk patience i can live with it, but i surpassed the fase where i want to go UW or FoW no matter wich group.

i will pound well in wich group join ask the skill of warrior , ele ecc. before start even if it take some hour.

Sturmkoenig · Aug 24, 2005, 07:09 PM // 19:09

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Did anyone scream "nerf the warriors!" when they were the king of the farming hill?" :/
Did anyone scream "nerf the rangers!" when they were starting to trap down there?" :/
Did anyone scream "nerf the elementalists!" when they found out how to farm Kryta?" :/
Did anyone scream "nerf the necromancers!" when they... well no clue where they farm."
Did anyone scream "nerf the mesmers!" when they started to use their secondary to farm?" :/

well i'm sry if i didn't express myself clearly...
whenever i use farming, i mean solo-farming UW. nothin else should be mentioned in this topic like griffin-runs or whatever.
i'm not complaining about anything else. and why am i complaining about this? because the UW/FoW is not made to be solo farmed. FoW armor does not cost ecto, so you have to solo farm to get it, but to spend a great amount of time getting it. that's what the developers intended for this part of the game, and not that ppl go soloing there.

Kampfkeks · Aug 24, 2005, 07:16 PM // 19:16

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Originally Posted by Sturmkoenig

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And that is where i disagree.
Neither you nor i do know the developers real intention

And until Arena.net shows clear action pro or contra the 105/55 Builds, we will never know. Ah well and about the frog... the invincible thing it mentioned could be everything. Even Spirit Spammers.

On that part we can only wait and should not make another, and yet another and another post about the monk farming. I really do hope Arena.net does not give in to those that scream the loudest.

wolfy3455 · Aug 24, 2005, 07:30 PM // 19:30

The best way to stop it without screwing everyone else over is to add necro mobs with soul leach since life steal isn't effected. For everyone else, its just a hex to remove, for a soloer, that one cast for removal with soul leach on could be your death.

NekoZ · Aug 25, 2005, 07:25 AM // 07:25

You do know that with this build, there is the entire rest of the UW that this build can not take on solo? I hate people who complain about this for the only reason that they either can't do it themselves, or think Monks are purely for healing others.

"The UW is not made for people to solo."
-Says WHO? Is your only reason the level of the monsters down there? How do you figure that, I really do not understand. The game is made with so many different skills and possibilities so why is it wrong for someone to be able to solo anywhere?

NERF THIS NERF THAT.. God I wish that word was never created.

lishi · Aug 25, 2005, 08:02 AM // 08:02

The sad things is if the 105/55 was unable to farm UW we dont have to see all this nerf wish...

Maiyn · Aug 25, 2005, 10:17 AM // 10:17

Personally, it started for me when me and my fiance went out to lornars and I was able to protect him as he fought stuff. When the full build was perfected... well to be honest. I went on vacation a couple days after I fixed myself up (paid only 1k for all my super runes

) I thought by the time I got back home the skills would be changed.

People only care because monks heal. Ele/War/Ranger farmers..? what about them? Not so much of a big deal here is it.....

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Originally Posted by Rallymonkey

If you want the monk build nerfed so bad, why dont you cry about the solo warrior/necro/ele builds. Anybody with google can figure out how to do it, there's nothing to fix.

Precisely. I (we all did/do) used to, and still, solo with my Ele and my warrior LONG before anyone starting messing around with two team and finally solo monk builds....... Other classes are actually more versatile than the monk build simply because they don't die in one shot without enchantments....

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Originally Posted by EmperorTippy

You people do realize that the 105 build actually lowers most prices? They have lowered ecto prices by a good amount (about 4K each). They have made an influx of weapons and items.

Mmhmmm.. well said. Yeah they're getting rich as hell, but they're also providing people with what they need... and as you said.. prices have steadily been falling the past few weeks. Not just on ecto. ON EVERYTHING. Yay farming!!

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Originally Posted by slasc

Nerfing the 105 build is very simple. make protective bond not take only 1 energy at protectoin prayers 17. Make it take 2 like it does at 16.

Nah not at all.. before the 17/-1 was figured out it was all done with essence/balths to balance out the -2. Soloing still very much possible.

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

My biggest reason for nerfing it is because of the lack of monks available for groups now. I could care less if it's lowered the price of ecto by 4k, I can make that in no time. But, I can spend a lot of time waiting for a group with a monk or monks needed for them.

Monks have always been harder to come by.

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Originally Posted by Sturmkoenig

a very simple reason why ANY Mo solo build should be nerfed:
it is unfair to players who do not have a primary monk.
as simple as that. i have a W/Mo, R/N, Me/R and 1 slot for a pvp char...

Fair enough. However, You can farm just as efficiently with a W/Mo... the build is floating around out there. Ok no, maybe you can't solo the UW... however you can make a nice profit on just about anything else... Simply BUY your ecto :P hehe.

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*sigh*
Did anyone scream "nerf the warriors!" when they were the king of the farming hill?" :/
Did anyone scream "nerf the rangers!" when they were starting to trap down there?" :/
Did anyone scream "nerf the elementalists!" when they found out how to farm Kryta?" :/
Did anyone scream "nerf the necromancers!" when they... well no clue where they farm."
Did anyone scream "nerf the mesmers!" when they started to use their secondary to farm?" :/

Mmmmhmm. Couldn't agree more.

I think I'm done rambling. If they nerf it.. fine. I'll set up a two-team.. and I'll all purpose farm with my W/Mo or my E/Mo ... so then we can nerf those classes too... :/

Como Fort · Aug 25, 2005, 11:16 AM // 11:16

I think people are being greedy and only thinking about themselves, i.e. I can't get a monk for UW so lets nerf the soloing monks so they come on our team!