Curse

Savio · Sep 29, 2005, 05:03 PM // 17:03

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Originally Posted by Slimcea

Furthermore, what am I to do if I want to experiment with builds? So basically I'm only restricted to skills from quests and probably a dozen other purchases before I run out of options and need to resort to farming if I'm poor? Even doing all the quests before embarking on a skill buying run leaves you with around 6 to 7 skills that hit the 1K mark to purchase - not exactly cheap if you don't farm.

What's expensive is if you keep buying skills instead of doing quests for most of them. For some reason I refused to spend my skill points on anything before I finished the game. I did all the quests and still had 20 or so regular skills to cap; throw in cap sigs for my elites, and that's maybe 50 skills I had to buy. So without buying, I had around 100 skills - hardly a restricted skill set. When I tried new builds, I often had most if not all skills needed for it, and buying 1 or 2 skills to finish it didn't kill me.

Besides, it's not that hard to earn money. You can get a fair amount of materials and items to sell just by doing quests and missions. For buying something that stays with you permanently as well as unlocking something for PvP, it's hardly not worth it.

Believe · Sep 29, 2005, 06:29 PM // 18:29

They made the skills at 1k a peice to push the fact that they want PvE to be a Team Thing. They want you to Complete Quests in order to get your skills instead of just buying them.

Slimcea · Sep 29, 2005, 07:06 PM // 19:06

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Originally Posted by Savio

What's expensive is if you keep buying skills instead of doing quests for most of them. For some reason I refused to spend my skill points on anything before I finished the game. I did all the quests and still had 20 or so regular skills to cap; throw in cap sigs for my elites, and that's maybe 50 skills I had to buy. So without buying, I had around 100 skills - hardly a restricted skill set. When I tried new builds, I often had most if not all skills needed for it, and buying 1 or 2 skills to finish it didn't kill me.

Besides, it's not that hard to earn money. You can get a fair amount of materials and items to sell just by doing quests and missions. For buying something that stays with you permanently as well as unlocking something for PvP, it's hardly not worth it.

I dunnoe, its probably just me, but when I leave a region, I try to leave with all quests/missions complete and bonuses if possible (harder in the Crystal Desert). This naturally tends to include skills/elites. And when I was a newbie, it didn't really occur to me that getting skillpoints post-20 was as difficult

I'd agree that money comes by relatively easily, but only if you farm/do areas/missions repeatedly though. I can't recall the exact details, but on my 2nd char through with little/no repeats, I was about 12K up by the time I hit Droknar's through the normal route, and skillpts were nearly at 1K. After spending on armor, by the time I hit RoF, I was left with around 5 to 6K to spend, which isn't much when skills cost ~1K and you've got 8 or 9 left, not including cap sigs.

To be perfectly honest, I'm fine with the prices per se, since once you start exploring/farming, experience tends to become the limiting factor rather than gold. But I'd much prefer it if all skills were available via quests - that way, buying a skill should then truly cost something. As it stands now though, having a high price is a flawed punishment since it also affects those who try for all skills negatively.

Chev of Hardass · Sep 29, 2005, 07:56 PM // 19:56

um, my skills were costing me 1400 gold per skill (and rising) before the update, and I had already unlocked all of the skills for my 2 classes and started a nice collection of other skills.

Now, they cost 1000 gold and are not getting more expensive.

All I can say is, "when you grow up, you will understand."

Kampfkeks · Sep 29, 2005, 08:13 PM // 20:13

There is one concept i seriously don't understand in an online game. And that is the community saying with all possible hatred "work for it". What is the problem? This is a fricking game... not some kind of replacement job.
If the way to achieve something is enjoyable... hell yes, it is making fun and you are making progress. But if you actually have to stop playing and start working just to get some skills learned on your character... something is going terribly wrong then. And these words are coming from someone who farms on a regular basis. It is boring. It simply, and downright is, fricking, unbelievable, monotonous, awful b o r i n g. It is something you can do when you just semideactivate your brain and just "flow". But it is no fun and i'm quite sure a lot of players feel the same.

So all you guys sitting here and stating "grow up" or "plan ahead" or "do all quests"... how many of you actually DID those things? The first one i'm quite sure most did not do yet. And yes, i'm speaking about maturity in this case. The second one... well the first time i played through the game there were no guides, no runners, people had no clues about missions and bonus. The builds we had were really terrible with some minor exceptions. But that was allright. Why? Because we could simply buy some other skills and switch.
If a new player now arrives... he gets a million guides thrown at his head and is expected to study them to their last line just to actually have fun playing? Once again, this concept is simply wrong. You should never have to study and plan BEFORE you enter a game. Though at the moment it is this way.

You must do all skillquests. Fine? Think about it. To actually know all skill quests you.. well sure you can just do them. But what about those in places far away from the normal route? Ooops... so you've allready got to look into online guides and have them partly spoil the quests. After you've done that... you play a bit and get bashed and flamed for bringing skill a over skill b. Well, you could change... but what into. Off to the study again. Breaking the game.. studying.. then looking as to which skill to buy.

GEEEZ. That is not fun at all. The way a GAME (for those folks that don't get it... G.A.M.E. and _NOT_ WORK) should be is to allow for an easy way in with lots of possibilities. And if you want to change something about your character, there shouldn't be thousands of barriers inbetween it.

Some folks really should consider coming down from their horse. You're not better than anyone of the new folks, yet you somehow think you'Ve got the right to bash those and force them into studying the game before they play it, so they don't "accidently" hit the skillbarrier.

Loviatar · Sep 29, 2005, 08:26 PM // 20:26

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Originally Posted by Kampfkeks

There is one concept i seriously don't understand in an online game. And that is the community saying with all possible hatred "work for it". What is the problem? This is a fricking game... not some kind of replacement job.
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are you after skills for PVP or PVE if you would not mind telling?

this is not getting ready to flame you because there is no *wrong* answer just that i am curious

thanks

Makkert · Sep 29, 2005, 08:28 PM // 20:28

I think you are forgetting that while the skills cost more moneywise, the XP cost is reduced.
I'm happy with this tradeoff. it still takes more time to get a skillpoint then to get the money.

/not signed from me....
sorry.

WhiteHand · Sep 29, 2005, 08:35 PM // 20:35

I'm a new player in GW, about 2 months now.

I think the ratcheting price for purchasing skills is fine as it is and don't mind paying 1k for a skill if I think I can use it. I don't buy all the skills and try to do the skill quests when I can as the skills are worth more than the XP offered in most cases.

If you're starting a new character, then enjoy the journey and do the quests that provide skill rewards. If you don't like the journey or adventure, then why are you playing this game in the first place?

If you are changing your profession in the crystal desert missions, then again, enjoy the journey and take it slow. I have yet to do this option, but will eventually but saving coin for when that happens.

Common MISCONCEPTIONS of success in GW; especially if you read guru too much like me:
1. You have to have Drok armor and a perfect weapon to be successful.
2. You have to have the "perfect" skill set someone else designed to be successful.
3. You have to farm for hours and hours to be successful.
4. You have to be level 20 to be successful.

Here is the truth my friends. To be successful, you have to enjoy the journey. You guys are investing HOURS & HOURS of time playing this silly little game, and if you are not enjoying it, please invest your time in something you do enjoy. I enjoy playing GW for the art, imagination, players I meet that are cool, and the creativity the designers put into it. It isn't a perfect game, but right now I am enjoying the journey.

Flame away all if you disagree.

Chev of Hardass · Sep 29, 2005, 08:39 PM // 20:39

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Originally Posted by Kampfkeks

So all you guys sitting here and stating "grow up" or "plan ahead" or "do all quests"... how many of you actually DID those things?

My first time through I messed up and bought a bunch of skills that I should have quested for. The next time through I planned ahead and did all the skill quests. Right now, I have to say that what A.Net did with the exp and costs for skills was right.

Then again, I planned ahead and built a farmer. I can get gold for skills, armor, runes, weapons (as if I cared anymore), and anything else that I feel I need.

So in my old age, over 850 hours, I have learned about how to build a character. I am almost ready to rebuild my first character, and fix my mistakes from when I was young.

Cjlr · Sep 29, 2005, 08:52 PM // 20:52

I don't mind paying once for a skill, but what annoys me, if only slightly, is paying for the same skill on multiple characters.

Chev of Hardass · Sep 29, 2005, 09:52 PM // 21:52

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Originally Posted by Cjlr

I don't mind paying once for a skill, but what annoys me, if only slightly, is paying for the same skill on multiple characters.

Same here, I had an idea to aviod that for PvP, but I am starting to feel like PvE characters should have acced to account skills and unlocks, after Ascention (or beating the game, or whatever).

My dust covered suggestion

Perhaps, this is a good idea on that. Maybe not, maybe you can come up with a much better idea.

Wraith_ · Sep 30, 2005, 04:05 PM // 16:05

/signed

jinxtwitchyboo · Sep 30, 2005, 09:36 PM // 21:36

It still amazes me that people to this day don't realize that doing some of the quests will give you skills for free. If you're gonna be lazy, they're gonna make you pay for the convinience. Why don't you start complaining about having to pay a service fee for gettin cash from a closer ATM than your bank's? Not everything in life will be just handed to you. Get used to it. I'm not saying plan your whole character out ahead of time or do ALL the quests. Just that you can carry 8 skills. Chances are there are only around 20 that you actually use on a normal basis. Just do the quests for those or be careful how you spend the skill points and you won't be out so much gold in the long run. Common sense. All the skills have a description. Read. If you think you're gonna use the skill, get it. If not, don't waste your time till later when you can go back as a much higher level and rock the hell out of the quest. People need to stop throwing their hands in the air and screaming at things that just really are not anywhere near as bad as they are making them out to be. Calm down, relax, and have some fun. It's a game. There's no monthly fee. If it pisses you off that much, turn it off.

Plague · Sep 30, 2005, 11:49 PM // 23:49

As far as unlocking skills go, PvP is the easiest way to go. Faction is simple to get these days. Unfortunately, unlocking a skill in PvP doesn't make it available for PvE.

If you're a PvE person, you'll be getting all your skills through quests, leaving only a few thousand gold worth of skills, not too bad, especially since it's only PvE.

Unfortunately, if you want to change professions and unlock all of those, you're screwed. Good luck with that.

Mr Wolfmaster · Sep 30, 2005, 11:59 PM // 23:59

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Originally Posted by jinxtwitchyboo

It still amazes me that people to this day don't realize that doing some of the quests will give you skills for free. If you're gonna be lazy, they're gonna make you pay for the convinience. Why don't you start complaining about having to pay a service fee for gettin cash from a closer ATM than your bank's? Not everything in life will be just handed to you. Get used to it. I'm not saying plan your whole character out ahead of time or do ALL the quests. Just that you can carry 8 skills. Chances are there are only around 20 that you actually use on a normal basis. Just do the quests for those or be careful how you spend the skill points and you won't be out so much gold in the long run. Common sense. All the skills have a description. Read. If you think you're gonna use the skill, get it. If not, don't waste your time till later when you can go back as a much higher level and rock the hell out of the quest. People need to stop throwing their hands in the air and screaming at things that just really are not anywhere near as bad as they are making them out to be. Calm down, relax, and have some fun. It's a game. There's no monthly fee. If it pisses you off that much, turn it off.

What if you've done all the quests like me? I switched my secondaries and now I have a good say...10 necro skills maybe? Oh well I guess I don't need em that bad...

I edited this cause I was mad and said some stuff I shouldn't have so yeah...I'm sorry

Detis Zan · Oct 01, 2005, 12:27 AM // 00:27

Quit Highschool and quit your job... right =P

Getting the cash isn't as hard some people make it seem, you can easily sell unid gold items for cheap and what not but just playing the game and all the little crap items on the way.

If you read his post more closely you would see that he said do some the quest that offer the skills you NEED or want to try with. You don't -repeat- DON'T need every necro skill because some of them aren't really needed at all. I have almost every necro skill on my main necro and a lot of the skills I don't even use =P Look up skills you want, and do the quest to get them.. don't want to? Then buy some simple as that.

Don't type when you're mad because you make yourself look pretty bad =P
Trust me I've done all the quest like you.. and now I switched my secondary to monk.. And I haven't even bothered to get some skills simply because I prefer the Necro skills. Only monk skills I have is like..rebirth.

I see your point but you're a little overborad about the money deal =P It's not that hard to grab some cash. I did a run with a friend in SF and got 4 golds and 2 greens. I sold the gold alone for 10k after trying to sell for a 1/2 hour. And it was all unid stuff just cheap crap with high reqs.

Anyway moving on the 1k per skill over after 20 skill points is here. You can make money for the skills, and /or do specific quests (And it's not hard to know what quests has the skills you're looking for.) for your skills.. In honesty I haven't been "screwed" over by the prices at all and I game like crazy.

Tuoba Hturt Eht · Oct 01, 2005, 12:30 AM // 00:30

1k skill trainers is fine by me.
At least I don't have to pay 2k for a skill anymore.

/not signed.

Mr Wolfmaster · Oct 01, 2005, 12:59 AM // 00:59

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Originally Posted by Detis Zan

Quit Highschool and quit your job... right =P

Getting the cash isn't as hard some people make it seem, you can easily sell unid gold items for cheap and what not but just playing the game and all the little crap items on the way.

If you read his post more closely you would see that he said do some the quest that offer the skills you NEED or want to try with. You don't -repeat- DON'T need every necro skill because some of them aren't really needed at all. I have almost every necro skill on my main necro and a lot of the skills I don't even use =P Look up skills you want, and do the quest to get them.. don't want to? Then buy some simple as that.

Don't type when you're mad because you make yourself look pretty bad =P
Trust me I've done all the quest like you.. and now I switched my secondary to monk.. And I haven't even bothered to get some skills simply because I prefer the Necro skills. Only monk skills I have is like..rebirth.

I see your point but you're a little overborad about the money deal =P It's not that hard to grab some cash. I did a run with a friend in SF and got 4 golds and 2 greens. I sold the gold alone for 10k after trying to sell for a 1/2 hour. And it was all unid stuff just cheap crap with high reqs.

Anyway moving on the 1k per skill over after 20 skill points is here. You can make money for the skills, and /or do specific quests (And it's not hard to know what quests has the skills you're looking for.) for your skills.. In honesty I haven't been "screwed" over by the prices at all and I game like crazy.

Meh you're problably right I should just kept my mouth shut. The only reason I was mad was with all the people saying "just do the skills quest" even tho it's not always that easy. 2 greens in one sf run? Wow thats lucky. But I hate trying to sell items to other players...Took me like 6 hours to sell this one bow...ugh..I guess I'm just not as lucky as other players...Anyway my apoligize you're right.

generik · Oct 01, 2005, 01:19 AM // 01:19

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Originally Posted by dargon

Lets see, common arguements

1. You don't need to have every skill on a pve character
2. Come back when you have more $$$ to spend
3. Short term it's more expensive, long term it's way cheaper if you plan to have 1 character with every skill in the game
4. Money is easy to earn later on when mobs drop 90+ gold each

1. But it is good to have no? Strictly speaking nobody NEEDS to play GW for entertainment too. Needs and wants, please don't confuse yourself.
2. So you are saying things should be better for players with more $$$?
3. That's true, but it'd be much better if the price increment curve were the same as before, with it capping at 1p.
4. Not if you share with 7 other bozos.

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Originally Posted by 2_fingers

1. It encourages intelligence. You do not need all the skills u have in your class to play. PvE, u do not need all, u need a couple.
2. Money is a weird concept in the game. Just play the game - somehow, the longer u play u eventually still get drops and can make back that cash u need.
3. DO THE QUESTS. If u need the skill badly, do the quests. If u want the short cut, pay for it.

Take it as a challenge - do quests to earn ur skills. its more rewarding (think blood & smoke)

1. Kind of defeats the purpose of Anet's recent buff doesn't it? To encourage the "in the closet" skills.
2. Gold is essentially useless, but you really will kick yourself for not having the gold to capitalise on new items when it is cheap and demand isn't that great due to ignorance.
3. Where can I get meteor shower please? From a quest. I do not care about Captain Greywind and his rip off prices.

There you go.

Detis Zan · Oct 01, 2005, 02:23 AM // 02:23

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Originally Posted by Mr Wolfmaster

Meh you're problably right I should just kept my mouth shut. The only reason I was mad was with all the people saying "just do the skills quest" even tho it's not always that easy. 2 greens in one sf run? Wow thats lucky. But I hate trying to sell items to other players...Took me like 6 hours to sell this one bow...ugh..I guess I'm just not as lucky as other players...Anyway my apoligize you're right.

Hey hey don't sweat it. I understand where you're coming from lol.

Yeah I was pretty lucky but I have yet sell the greens =P

I hate selling as well just takes patience and the right time and place.

Don't get all flustered about other people's posts that's all.

In the end it's just a game we all should enjoy and count the 'blessings' one could say.

Anyway don't sweat it.