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jibikao · Nov 12, 2005, 07:34 PM // 19:34

Hundred Blades is an elite and quite a few warriors don't use it because of its low damage and usefulness.

From my understanding, HB is good for building up adrenline but there are other ways to gain adrenline through faster attacking and other warrior skills which are not elite.

My question is will it be overpowering to at least add some damage to HB? I mean Sword Level has nothing to do with HB. Maybe +1 damage per lvl? Would that be too overpowering? Or maybe +8 at lvl 12 Sword and +13 at lvl 16?

What's your thoughts?

Tmm Ryan · Nov 12, 2005, 07:42 PM // 19:42

I agree with you tottally, i personally have hundred blades as my elite all the time, this is becz it fits in well with the rest of my skills. But yea a dmg bonus wud make me pwn even more.

And if they did do nothing about the damage, at least change the recharge from 8 to 4 or 3

Navaros · Nov 13, 2005, 12:23 AM // 00:23

Hundred Blades sucks.

Apparently in the beta it used to not be elite, and then they nerfed it by making it an elite.

Long past time to unnerf Hundred Blades.

Helios · Nov 13, 2005, 12:28 AM // 00:28

It got turned into an elite because it was being coupled with illusionary weaponary (at least that's what I've heard). At least it's had an unnerf. It used to do only 75% damage per swipe.

NatalieD · Nov 13, 2005, 12:53 AM // 00:53

If it's too good in conjunction with IW, they could solve that by giving it a failure chance at low Swordsmanship levels. That way IW builds would have to give up a lot in order to use it, while plain sword warriors would have no problems.

Skyheart · Nov 13, 2005, 01:18 AM // 01:18

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Originally Posted by NatalieD

If it's too good in conjunction with IW, they could solve that by giving it a failure chance at low Swordsmanship levels. That way IW builds would have to give up a lot in order to use it, while plain sword warriors would have no problems.

Well, yeah, but Illusionary Weapon is also an Elite now, so they really could boost it up, if Hundred Swords should stay as Elite.

Xasew · Nov 13, 2005, 01:26 AM // 01:26

It's elite, because:
-Stuff like Vampiric Upgrade, Mark of Pain, Conjures, Orders and Strenght of Honor get double effective.
-You get double adrenaline(more if you hit more than 1 guy)
-It's AoE
-Doesn't cost that much, especially with a Zealous Hilt

It's bad on it's own, but it has uses.

Skyheart · Nov 13, 2005, 01:34 AM // 01:34

Well, yes, but Cyclon Axe does more damage, also hits all enemies around, gets all the benefits you listed, and isn't an elite. Plus it recharges at double speed (only 4 second). This is kinda un-balanced, I say.

Hannibel · Nov 13, 2005, 01:50 AM // 01:50

hundred blades doesnt suck, it hits twice to any adjacent foe, maybe you don't know how to read skills more clearly, if it was +1 per lvl it would be way to overpower because you would swing twice with +dmg each time

Ian Savage · Nov 13, 2005, 01:53 AM // 01:53

doesnt suck at all. i use it as a constant elite on my N/W and i can level enemies with lower armor. two attacks for only 5 energy works for me. it may be underpowerd a bit, but i like it

Racthoh · Nov 13, 2005, 03:21 AM // 03:21

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Originally Posted by Skyheart

Well, yes, but Cyclon Axe does more damage, also hits all enemies around, gets all the benefits you listed, and isn't an elite. Plus it recharges at double speed (only 4 second). This is kinda un-balanced, I say.

Suppose we have 12 in sword, 12 in axe.

You use Cyclone Axe, +10 damage on top of the 28 max for axe dealing 38 damage.

I use Hundred Blades, strike twice at my maximum for 22, dealing 44 damage, and gaining two strikes of adrenaline over your one.

Not to mention that HB is by far more useful on a single target, and any warrior worth their value would know how to make two enemies stand next to each other to hit both with this skill.

From the PvP perspective, I could imagine it would be difficult to attack a fleeing target with Cyclone Axe, and you probably won't be able to hit a lot of targets with it.

A User Name · Nov 13, 2005, 04:01 AM // 04:01

Even though i'd like to see it have the +X. It could be overpowered. I mean if you strike someone 2 times for +X comboed with whatever that damage will really begin to add up. HB can be extremely powerful as it is with a good team (ex. warrior cunning+HB+ order of pain,vampire + vampric sword hilt.) That's an unblockable+10-22(2x)+17(2x)+17(2x)+(1-3)(2x) life steal. Adding up to around a 100 damage or more strike not including adrenaline gain. Meaning it prolly good for now.

Guardian of the Light · Nov 13, 2005, 06:05 AM // 06:05

The 100 blade team which is my creation takes advantage of 100 blades and if 100 blades would be increased in any way my build would become a 2nd IWAY http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=74121

Try it and you'll never underestimate 100 blades again.

O ya almost forgot the final version is on page 4 and ingnore Conjure I got rid of that

easyg · Nov 13, 2005, 07:02 AM // 07:02

Personally, I think HB is better than cyclone axe in a lot of ways. With my current set up, I use vigorous spirit and live vicariously at 9 healing prayer and a 3:1 vampiric weapon (axe of sword). Every time I connect with my axe, I get 21 health back and 1 strike of adrenaline. Every time I hit with my sword, I get 42 health and 2 strikes of adrenaline.

Say you're fighting 10 minotaurs. Assuming there's no blocks or misses:

Cyclone Axe: 210 hp and 10 strikes of adrenaline per 5 seconds
Hundred Blades: 420 hp and 20 strikes of adrenaline per 8 seconds.

This isn't counting the damage from HB, which obviously is much higher.

With a little practice, you can hit 10+ monsters at once with hundred blades. After you've agroed everything you want to kill, try walking away from the monsters while keeping your nose pointed towards them. The monsters come after you in a funnel like motions and get all packed together. Target the nearest and HB should hit everything. Just takes a bit of practice.

Deadlyjunk · Nov 13, 2005, 08:45 AM // 08:45

Especially in an Arcane Mimicry/Illusionary Weaponry build...
Look:
Illusionary Weaponry
+
Arcane Mimicry
to fetch:
Hundred Blades
With flurry, this deals about 900 damage in 20 seconds, of which 400 to all adjacent foes as well. Underpowered? I thought not...

kg_lildude1 · Nov 13, 2005, 11:30 AM // 11:30

add some damage to hundred blades per level and it would be NO different from Barrage except you have the very low possibility to hit 8 people in pvp, or even more in pve

/signed for boost

Symeon · Nov 13, 2005, 01:12 PM // 13:12

/signed it needs a bit of a boost

jibikao · Nov 14, 2005, 03:07 PM // 15:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racthoh

Suppose we have 12 in sword, 12 in axe.

You use Cyclone Axe, +10 damage on top of the 28 max for axe dealing 38 damage.

I use Hundred Blades, strike twice at my maximum for 22, dealing 44 damage, and gaining two strikes of adrenaline over your one.

Not to mention that HB is by far more useful on a single target, and any warrior worth their value would know how to make two enemies stand next to each other to hit both with this skill.

From the PvP perspective, I could imagine it would be difficult to attack a fleeing target with Cyclone Axe, and you probably won't be able to hit a lot of targets with it.

I don't think 100 Blades can deal +44 damage at max. The reason is that Cyclone's +10 damage is "on top of" damage so if the target has great physical defense (warriors), you are actually doing more damage with Cyclone per hit than 100 blades does. Not to mention Cyclone is not an elite and it has 5s recharge whereas 100 Blades has 8s. Another thing you forget is that 100 Blades swings twice at the target so two hits are reduced by Warrior's absorption. Of course you gain more adrenline with HB but don't forget the argument is you can gain more adrenline through other warrior skills.

I am not saying Cyclone > 100 Blades. I am just saying 100 Blades "may" need some boost. I guess you can only enjoy 100 Blades if you combo with secondary skills. 100 Blades by itself does very little damage and Sword Attribute has nothing to do with the effect which is what I don't understand. I like the idea of "success" rate with higher sword attribute.

Oh, and I think if you have Empathy on you, you take Empathy damage for every hit??? I know it happened to my Ranger's Barrage!! Two arrows hit the monsters and I took two Empathy damage! Ouch.

I do think 100 Blades can be a good solo farming skill since monsters only focus on you and you have much better chance to lure monsters to you.

Guardian of the Light · Nov 14, 2005, 11:50 PM // 23:50

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Originally Posted by jibikao

I don't think 100 Blades can deal +44 damage at max. The reason is that Cyclone's +10 damage is "on top of" damage so if the target has great physical defense (warriors), you are actually doing more damage with Cyclone per hit than 100 blades does. Not to mention Cyclone is not an elite and it has 5s recharge whereas 100 Blades has 8s. Another thing you forget is that 100 Blades swings twice at the target so two hits are reduced by Warrior's absorption. Of course you gain more adrenline with HB but don't forget the argument is you can gain more adrenline through other warrior skills.

I am not saying Cyclone > 100 Blades. I am just saying 100 Blades "may" need some boost. I guess you can only enjoy 100 Blades if you combo with secondary skills. 100 Blades by itself does very little damage and Sword Attribute has nothing to do with the effect which is what I don't understand. I like the idea of "success" rate with higher sword attribute.

Oh, and I think if you have Empathy on you, you take Empathy damage for every hit??? I know it happened to my Ranger's Barrage!! Two arrows hit the monsters and I took two Empathy damage! Ouch.

I do think 100 Blades can be a good solo farming skill since monsters only focus on you and you have much better chance to lure monsters to you.

I read in my 100 blade team someone said test Empathy + 100 blades and they say it does do double damage but I'm not confirming it myself

Dralspire · Nov 15, 2005, 09:32 PM // 21:32

Personally, I am not so excited by the recharge time of hundred blades, but that's just me.