Curse

jesh · Nov 17, 2005, 03:03 AM // 03:03

This is for Phades. I'm pulling all of this out of my butt, and spiderman cartoons.

Weapons: The class would have two weapons, in the offhand/weapon slots. The primary would be extendable, razor sharp wires. The offhand would be for close range combat, and would resemble metallic claws.

Characteristics: This is NOT a thief class for one reason - speed is not what this class is built for. Rather, it's a physical counterpart to the mesmer class, focusing more on disabling physically oriented opponents. RE: Anti-Assassin class.

Attributes: (off the top of my head)

Dexterity (primary): Each point decreases the recharge time on all class related skills, and increases your wire count by one.(more to be explained) Each point increases the effectiveness of all class skills by a small amount.

Acrobatics: Each point increases the effects of "In Air" status, and related skills. Each point also decreases the negative effects slightly.

Wire Weilding: Each point increases the damage of wire-type weapons and related skills.

Claw Mastery: Each point increases the damage of claw-type weapons and related skills.

Armor Level: Probably something like 70 AL, with no extra bonuses save energy for some sets, or something like a built in rune for other sets, or one set that's made for characters that will spend a lot of time In Air.

Energy: 30 energy with 4 pips of regen or so.

Wire Count idea: The wire weapon looks similair to a whip in its passive state, coiled on the characters back. The wire is actually a seperate special, magical creature, whos skin easily serrates flesh and metal. The claws that your character wears special gloves, (claws), so they can handle the wire creature without hurting themselves. (yes, this is possible, more on this later)
The more skill the character has with the wire, the more pieces that they can split the wire up into, and manipulate at once. At least one wire is required for each skill, and many skills scale up in power with the more wires involved.

Okay, I mentioned earlier that the claws were required for wire manipulation. Some skills will be similair to say, Oath Shot, where they can cause self inflicted pain (Wiretap Scars), or in the worst case, fail with too low of Claw Mastery.

Wiretap Scars: A condition that is either self inflicted, or caused by a wire skill. The recipient of the condition loses 25 hp per second when this is active. (does not appear as degen, just a red number every second; in this way you can add degen to the mix)

In Air: This is like a condition, except that it can't be cured with a mend ailment. Several skills will put your character In Air, and there are positive and negative aspects to this. With more Acrobatics, the effects would change, obviously. You'd get more evade, and less damage from air attacks. It might appear something like this to start off with:

In Air Status: Your character has a 15% chance to evade all projectiles, and melee attacks miss. You lose 40 armor to air type attacks.

Anchored Wires: This class will be able to anchor parts of their wires to the ground, or cliff faces, mountain sides, etc. This does three things.

1. It decreases your wire count by one, (duh),
2. It causes an immovable, almost indispellable object to appear on the playing field. (maybe certain, high powered fire skills could burn the wires up) All characters will have to walk around the wire.
3. Anchored wires provide is a means of escape and movement, by providing the character with instant access to the end of the wire, and giving them the In Air status. Maybe you'd press a direction key to travel to the end of the wire.

Okay, all of this might be pretty confusing to a lot of people, so I figure I should just make up some skills to better illustrate the abilities of my proposed class.

Shard Blast (Wire Wielding):
Skill: Lose all wires in use. Your wire weapon detonates, throwing metallic shards into all nearby enemies. 45-100dmg, causes 3-8 seconds of bleeding.
Cost: 10e/0sec/15 sec recharge (well size)

Grapple (Dexterity):
Skill: Cast a wire in the direction your character moves next. Your character can then appear at the end of the wire at will, or anchor it to the ground, at the cost of 1 wire count.
Cost: 5-1 Adrenaline

Wire Seeker (Dexterity):
Skill: Using intuition, your character becomes connected with a targetted anchored wire. 50% chance of failure with less than 5 dex, causes Wiretap Scars with a Dexterity of less than 10.
Cost: 5e/0 cast/3 sec recharge

Unleashed Wire {E} (Wire Weilding):
Spell: For 5 seconds, you lose total control of your wire creature. Lose all wires in use, lose 10% current hp. All wires shoot out in all directions. This skill causes 3x(Wire Wielding) dmg, 10-20 seconds of bleeding, 90% reduction in movement speed on all affected targets.
Cost: 15 Adrenaline (ward size, affected targets depends on your wire count)

Face Swipe (Claw Mastery):
Melee Attack:Target suffers from blindness and bleeding for 4-11 seconds and takes an additional 10-20 damage.
Cost: 6 adrenaline

Unnatural Prediction (Acrobatics):
Skill: For 2-10 seconds, you anticipate the next offensive move against you. For melee attacks, the attack misses, and you gain In Air status. For magical attacks, you use 1 wire to shield you. Lose 1 wire count for (15/Dexterity Count) seconds.
Cost: 5 energy, 0 cast, 4 sec recharge.

Wire Mesh (Wire Wielding):
Skill: Send out 3-7 wires to entangle target foe. Foe suffers from 95% movement reduction, and cannot use physical attacks for 5-15 seconds. Wiretap scars with less than 8 Wire Wielding for 4 seconds.
Cost: 5 energy, 0 cast, 4 sec recharge.

Razor Fist (Claw Mastery):
Melee Attack: If target foe is entangled, you attempt an attack that deals +10-34 dmg. Target foe suffers from Razor Fist for 3hp degeneration.
Cost: 8 Adrenaline

Impaling Thrust (Wire Wielding):
Skill: Lose all wires in use. Target foe becomes impaled with (wire count) wires, taking 2-15 damage per wire, and suffers from a deep wound. Suffer from Wiretap Scars for 5-1 seconds.
Cost: 10e, 2 sec, 10 sec recharge.

Whipping Restraint (Dexterity):
Skill: Use one wire to slow an opponent's movement by 66%, attack by 33%. Target and you suffer from Wiretap Scars for 1-5, and 5-1 seconds.
Cost: 10e, 1 sec, 0 recharge

Backlash (Dexterity):
Skill: Use two wires to wrap around both of an opponent's arms. For each skill the foe uses, they recieve 5-10 damage and 1-2 seconds of Wiretap Scars.
Cost: 15e, 1 sec, 8 recharge

Lightning Thrust (Claw Mastery):
Melee Attack/Touch Spell: You strike for +5-10 damage, and +5-24 lightning damage.
Cost: 15e, 1 sec, 20 recharge

Bird's Eye (Acrobatics):
Skill: Use two wires to thrust yourself off the ground and gain In Air status. You may not use any skills for the duration of this skill. For 1-15 seconds, your party's radar range increases by 10-50 feet, and all party memebers recieve +3-8 to their attacks.

Lightning Blast (Wire Wielding):
Spell: All enemies being affected by wires recieve 25-60 lightning damage.
Cost: 25 e, 3 sec, 30 recharge

Swift Strike (Claw Mastery)
Stance: For 5-10 seconds, all your melee attacks deal +1-5 lightning damage. You recieve a 33% IAS.
Cost: 10 energy, 0 sec, 10 recharge

Lost Circuitry {E} (Wire Weilding):
Skill: Lose one wire count. This wire is embedded in target opponent for 5-10 seconds. For each second, the opponent takes 6-18 lightning damage.
Cost: 10 adrenaline, 10 energy

Metallic Earth (Wire Weilding):
Spell: Lose all wires in use. Sacrifice 5% hp. Each nearby opponent is snared with at least one wire, losing 66% movement speed and 33% attack speed for 6-12 seconds. All remaining wires are split up among the closest enemies. For each additional wire, opponents suffer -7% movement and -4% attack speed. You may use other wire skills, remember, you can't just grow extra wires. The effect of the spell will be lost on the enemies no longer affected by wires.
Cost: 20e, 2 sec, 20 recharge

Electric Soul {E} (Wire Weilding)
Spell: For each wire affecting an enemy, you steal 1-3 energy.
Cost: 5e, 1/4 sec, 20-30 recharge

Signet of Reversal {E} (Dexterity)
Signet Skill: For 10-30 seconds, your energy regeneration reverses. If you have negative energy, it becomes positive.
Cost: 5e, 1/4 sec, 40 recharge

Acid Charge (Dexterity)
Preparation: Your next skill used is charged with the lightning attribute.
Cost: 10e, 2 sec, 10 recharge

Winged Stance (Acrobatics)
Stance: For 8-18 seconds, you gain 33% movement speed while In Air, and 1-3 energy whenever you're hit by elemental damage.
Cost: 10e, 0 sec, 20 recharge

Cursed Stance (Acrobatics)
Stance: For 8-18 seconds, you reflect all status ailments back to the attacker, but suffer 1 second of wiretap scars per condition reflected.
Cost: 10e, 0 sec, 20 recharge

Metal Storm {E} (Acrobatics)
Spell: For 8-18 seconds, you lose all wires and suspend yourself In Air. All surrounding opponents suffer from Wiretap Scars and take 1-5 lightning damage per second (25% AP). This spell can be stopped with any non melee interrupt.
Cost: 25e, 1 sec, 40 recharge

Foresight (Acrobatics)
Stance: For 8-18 seconds, all skills recharge and cast 33% faster. When this stance ends, you lose 2hp for each point of energy have.

Mind Adaption (Dexterity)
Spell: For 8-18 seconds, you gain 12 of the primary attribute of target ally.
Cost: 10e, 1 sec, 20 recharge

Some side notes. If someone touches an anchored wire, they suffer from Wiretap Scars as long as the remain in contact with it, and 1-3 seconds afterward. "Entagle" cannot be dispelled without fire magic. If you are on a wire, and it becomes dispelled with fire magic, you suffer from burning for 4-2 seconds, depending on your Dexterity. I might have left some lose ends on this, but I tried my best. Please post comments/criticism/questions. And ArenaNet, read this and use it!

::EDIT:: Sketches posted. I'll draw an "in action" sketch later, as the wire weapon will look quite different when it's in use.

jesh · Nov 17, 2005, 07:12 PM // 19:12

Wow, not even 1 comment? At least a, "this sucks nub", or, "what are you thinking?"

Shimus DarkRaven · Nov 17, 2005, 08:37 PM // 20:37

Has potential, but elaborate more: How would they be used in a group? Purely to go up and be the "physical counterpart to the mesmer" ..but really, whats the use of that? We don't need more people geared towards 1v1. Memers have no real good spells that target groups. Thus, it makes me believe this class would a be a 1v1 meleeish type..it doesn't really appeal. Make this idea more unique, I like how it's going.

--The Shim

jesh · Nov 18, 2005, 06:35 AM // 06:35

Did you read any of the the post besides the first part? Increasing your Dexterity will increase your wire count, in other words, making your skills easily repeatable for tons of monsters. Every time a wire comes in contact with an enemy, there'd be a gain of 1 adrenaline, so spammability of skills wouldn't really be that much of a problem for group settings. Plus the elite I made up definitely is made as a mob killer... I guess I'll come up with 100 something skills and draw some in action sketches so people can take this seriously.

Another idea: An opponent that has wires attached to them in any way loses 20-30 armor to lightning type attacks. Metal.. lightning.. makes sense, right?

chosenbygod · Nov 18, 2005, 07:22 AM // 07:22

it's too complicated for a new class, brand new weapons that can be used only by one class?! And for a dmg class, it has too much energy and 4 pips of energy regen is too much. I like the idea though, its just a bit too complicated to be implemented into the game imo

Symeon · Nov 18, 2005, 08:58 AM // 08:58

I read the majority of the post and I must say I generally like the idea. Some good stuff there.

Quote:

it's too complicated for a new class, brand new weapons that can be used only by one class?! And for a dmg class, it has too much energy and 4 pips of energy regen is too much. I like the idea though, its just a bit too complicated to be implemented into the game imo

That's a bit of a dumb thing to say, considering how complicated the classes already in place are. Never call an idea too complicated.

Aeon_Xin · Nov 18, 2005, 09:40 AM // 09:40

Very inovative ideas, but they do seem a little, totally fabricated, I will try to explain...

GW, is basically a mideval/fantasy type world, with all they typical monster types, gargoyles, imps, dragons.

Popular archtypes, outright fighter, mages/illusionists, rangers, necromancers, with upcoming assassin and pirate so far. Pirate is still unconfirmed as far as I know, so don't blame me when it's not in the box.

To create a new class from scratch though, for a world that is within the box, is not necessarily a good thing.(Note: the game play is entirely outside the box, or is on it's way PvE that's no different than PvP, class combinations, even monk necro, or ranger necro.....?)
Basically, they're using old ideas, but twisting them really hard.

Going out of the box is good, but when it's so far outside the box, it lands in a different box, well, you get the point. I hope.

jesh · Nov 18, 2005, 07:38 PM // 19:38

Actually I feel the energy is okay, for one reason. You're forced to wear two weapons, and neither of those will be adding energy.

And from what I can gather, everyone was complaining for lack of original ideas, now I come up with one, and it's too original. Good stuff.

::EDIT:: Added new some new skills.
BTW I'd love suggestions on this, especially the Acrobatics line, as I'm having trouble thinking of skills. I want that line to focus mostly on what you can do while In Air..

Mordakai · Nov 22, 2005, 02:43 PM // 14:43

Man, I like this idea better than the Assassin!

My fear is, though, that with the Assassin, the practical application of skills might be too similar (before you bite my head off, I realize the cosmetic differences - but, for example, there's a good chance that the Assassin's Shadow abilities might mirror that of the In Air abilities of this class).

I love the idea of Wires though, kind of a merging of Traps and Spirits!

I hope people at GW read this, and implement some of the ideas for the Assassin....

Watmonster · Nov 22, 2005, 03:12 PM // 15:12

cool ideas

with dexterity being the primary and increasng your wires, wouldnt this class be rendered useless as a secondary by the lack of wires? i was thinking of this with an ele or mes combo. u use the wires on an enemy and then spike em with armor penetrating air magic giving them around -50 armor to my attacks. Another would be to get a group of enemy's entangled in a wire then use chain lighting and a fast-casting fire spell to set them on fire when the wire breaks.
Being a mesmer would mean being the biggest anti player person ever! Also while being "In air" just use mantras.

my 2 cents...

actionjack · Nov 22, 2005, 08:49 PM // 20:49

Not a bad concept, and I like the idea of skill power depended on how many "wires" you have. (sorta like the Raggie's Monk's Chi Ball) Some nice skills as well, like jumping to the wire anchor positions, and grappling skills is well needed. But I also share some concerns with the above posts. Seem a bit complex, that would require some big change of codes/game-laws to accomandate, and might step on the role of an Assassin (being a melee claw/light armor type). And still not use to the Wire Creature idea.

How about changing wires to "Cords" (strings of Energy, with nice glowie effect), and make it a "Spell Weaver" type of class.
(http://www.guild-hall.net/forum/show...948#post377948 here is a nice spell weaver class I found. think it would nice to see a combination of it)

Overall a good job. Please also suggest some "skills combos" that one can use with this class. It would be a nice read.

oh yeah.. its a bit off topic.. but got inspire of this skill as reading it... not sure what class it is for...

Trade Blow
In next 3-6 seconds, the next condtion you suffer is also "reflected" back to the caster. (so if you get knock down, that enemy who knock you down is also knock down)

jesh · Nov 22, 2005, 09:42 PM // 21:42

Hmm sounds like lots of bond type skills.. which isn't a bad idea. I'd kinda lose the whole metallic idea thingy I had going on though. *cries*
Her idea also sounds a lot more caster-ish.

Btw I was hoping some combos would be pretty obvious.. example, Bird's Eye+Swirling Aura or Shields Up!+Deflect Arrows.. Also as someone else said, going ele secondary and using lightning spells. As far as taking the class as a secondary... I didn't really think about that much. I suppose it's no worse than taking ranger as secondary, with marksman and expertise being so closely tied together.

::EDIT:: Added a couple new skills, maybe tomorrow I'll post some more pictures showing the class in action.

Transluecent51 · Nov 22, 2005, 10:54 PM // 22:54

Mmm anti-assassin class. It does sound great although why wire type weapons? Not that I have any against it just its very unique. I'd love to see a class like this implimented especially if it can dish out some major physical damage =D. Kinda a class GW does lack atm because warriors really dont deal that much compared to other classes.

Thankz for the thoughts on the class tho. Your the kinda people that make it possible.

Pevil Lihatuh · Nov 22, 2005, 11:14 PM // 23:14

I read half the skills. hehe.

It sounds fun. Kinda like a Beastmaster crossed with...not sure what. lol. Something like this could be really interesting to play.

jesh · Nov 23, 2005, 09:41 AM // 09:41

Thanks for the replies everybody, I feel special that real people read the crap I write!

As for the wire weapons, I was trying to think of a way I could rip off spiderman without the risk of copyright infringement. And thinking of what else could follow from metal instead webs...
I still like the spider-sense thing, and I think that should be a larger part of the skills. As for damage, how's this sound?

Weapon Mimicry (Claw Mastery)
Spell: For 8-18 seconds, you lose 5-1 point in your claw mastery. You Claw Mastery attribute changed to whatever weapon you are currently weilding.

Just think of Impaling Thrust+Eviscerate+Swift Strike. Or switching to a wand and gaining magical attributes. Maybe it should have a different name.