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Hodor · Jan 20, 2006, 06:01 AM // 06:01

I was thinking about a separate system to rank, for pve only. A set amount of points per quest completed, only awarded once upon a quests first completion. You could have unique emotes, and so on. That would avoid farming completely.

Lampshade · Jan 20, 2006, 06:59 AM // 06:59

Maybe, if you kill the boss at the end of the new underworld/old tombs, you get a crafting material, customized to you, and you go and trade it for special armor/weapons?

Nessaja · Jan 22, 2006, 05:56 PM // 17:56

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Originally Posted by Banebow

Obsidian armor for the win?

Unless they spread you name accross the bottom of the screen like they do when you win the hall of heros, you are not going to become recognized for your accomplishments. If all you want is a cool emote, then I am afraid you will have to play PvP. PvE players get cool armors, PvP players get cool emotes, seems like a fair trade to me. If you want some intangible sort of "fame", the kind were you zone into LA and thirty different people recognize you, no emote is going to do that.

Except that PvP players get the cool armor aswell - the gold items in HoH and sigils is good money.

Obsidian Armor, while I have it on 2 of my characters, doesnt say anything. You can get a FoW armor by simply trading, that doenst show your experience.

You don't need to state the way it is currently, I'm already fully aware of that and that's why I'm suggesting new ideas.

Deathqueen · Jan 22, 2006, 09:12 PM // 21:12

Well random arenas are pvp, team arenas are pvp and there's no fame or rank for them and I believe there should be. Especially when a random team of four wins 10 in a row. Though I would give fame points for 5 in a row then 10 in a row in both random and team. Yeah that's the ticket.

Anets goal is to make everyone equal and happy, then give everyone fame and rank. (smile)

The Hand Of Death · Jan 22, 2006, 09:50 PM // 21:50

Well if PvP = fame, why don't we get fame from winning a GvG match, that would make some sense.

Deathqueen · Jan 22, 2006, 09:55 PM // 21:55

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Originally Posted by The Hand Of Death

Well if PvP = fame, why don't we get fame from winning a GvG match, that would make some sense.

Yeah I agree with that also, anything that involves pvp should give fame points.

Draeco_Smash · Jan 22, 2006, 10:22 PM // 22:22

You guys are confusing the purpose of fame...

FAME is specific to HoH because it is the most difficult form of PvP... to get involved in...
well next to the GWWC... of course,
you can bring your guild into HoH and fight for fame... or you can use PUG's and get fame as well... "which is quite painful"

I totally disagree that fame should be universal to CA and TA as well...
from what I gather on Fame is that it is there to pat ppl of a higher rank on the back for accomplishing something... personally I dont care about fame... because it doesn't really mean anything other than XP in PvP...

what ppl call skills in this game, is actually only knowledge... I have yet to meet someone "who wanted to learn" that couldn't fufill their duty in a certain Group build... NOOBS with fame ranks, shun those below them... as if they are skilled... or "talented" LMAO, its all knowledge, What everyone fails to see is that Fame, helps to motivate ppl to PvP in the HoH... enhancing the gaming experience... that is the purpose of fame...

I don't have a solution, I just dont feel having Fame in CA and TA "making it easier to obtain" will still make it as desireable...
ppl say IWAY is fame farming, well... its long grinding farming, and hell if thats what floats your boat... have at her, I'm not about to spend hours of my life seeking more fame... I play for fun, and until the rest of my guildies get into PvP... that's the way it will stay

,my two cents

led-zep · Jan 22, 2006, 10:53 PM // 22:53

oooh watch out the elitist pvp'ers think they might lose their little 'badge of honour'. so fame emotes should be for pvp only, you wont mind having the emote restricted for use only in pvp areas then and not in every pve town as per usual, no? i didnt think so.

/signed

pve'ers who hate pvp should have recognition too for their hard work in gaining experience not just the iway farmers

munkieix · Jan 22, 2006, 11:45 PM // 23:45

maybe u should get a emote when u hit a certain exp like 3 mill exp = lizard emote? idk

Draeco_Smash · Jan 22, 2006, 11:50 PM // 23:50

well fame has nothing to do with PvE or PvP characters... they set it to be on your account... I agree that there should be a "pat on the back" for PvE's to make them more interested but IMO FoW armour is essentially that...

Draeco_Smash · Jan 22, 2006, 11:56 PM // 23:56

The only thing that pisses me off is the fact the PvP players think that fame is needed to be good, PvE players tend to be more cooperative and friendly than the PvP players especially when it comes to their FAME...

If PvE fame is FoW armour, I have yet to see a group spamming... GLF ppl, "must have FoW armour"
Where in PvP Land "or rather tombs..." all you see is GLF R3... blah blah blah...
still can't believe IWAY users are LF R3+ players.... sigh...

Angel Develin · Jan 23, 2006, 12:09 AM // 00:09

whay not give fame for every mission/quest u finish, like 1 fame for every mission of your self and 0,5 (o_O) fame for every mission u help some other dude, and get less fame for easy missions ad more for hard mission.

And for ppl that say that farmers would do lots of farming, this would help out and I know ppl that are farming for rank now, just make a Iway team and go as fast as posible in the game, for an Iway team is allmost every first round a win, youlose? u go back again, this is the current rank/fame farming system, and dont tell me that IWAY is not a rank/fame farming team, IT IS.

Sure there are a few good IWAY teams but there are a lot that have not been to HoH or ever won the first battle in HoH and have rank 3 or more. Now thats sick, and PVE takes a lot longer to finish a hard mission so I agree with a ranking system for PVE and a gree with GvG ranking.

Think about this as a way to stop leavers in a mission.

Banebow · Jan 23, 2006, 12:12 AM // 00:12

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Originally Posted by Nessaja

Except that PvP players get the cool armor aswell - the gold items in HoH and sigils is good money.

Obsidian Armor, while I have it on 2 of my characters, doesnt say anything. You can get a FoW armor by simply trading, that doenst show your experience.

You don't need to state the way it is currently, I'm already fully aware of that and that's why I'm suggesting new ideas.

Your original idea behind this was to give recognition for players of PvE, correct? You say obsidian armor does not say anything? The same goes with rank and fame. IWAY removed any chance you had that the rank 6 fellow you picked up knew how to play, and one fame point per 100,000 experience will be exactly the same. "Rank 9 (pve rank) monk looking for group!" Would you take the monk? I would not, he got his rank from farming, not grouping. He probably does not even know what infuse health is, much less that it can be a handy heal.

I think it is stupid giving item rewards for PvP, for the simple reason that the point of tombs was to get favor for your country and earn fame, not earn gold. While I cannot take the items out of PvP, you could always start a petition.

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Originally Posted by led-zep

oooh watch out the elitist pvp'ers think they might lose their little 'badge of honour'. so fame emotes should be for pvp only, you wont mind having the emote restricted for use only in pvp areas then and not in every pve town as per usual, no?

Not at all. My rank is supposed to be an indicator to other PvP'ers that I have done tombs to a certain degree. If you want to restrict it to heroes ascent, RA, TA, and the guild hall, then by all means, do so.

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Originally Posted by led-zep

pve'ers who hate pvp should have recognition too for their hard work in gaining experience not just the iway farmers

Once again, it is called obsidian armor. You got your experience by farming or doing lots of fissure and underworld runs, and that means you have gold. If you don't like fissure armor, well, I am sorry, but not all of us like that it is a tiger at rank 9 either.

Players complain all the time about the idiocy of pugs demanding rank 3 or higher players. I ask you, what will happen if you add something to PvE similar to rank, so it is account wide? I'll tell you. You'll kill new players enjoyment of the game. You think tombs is bad? Wait till any player who tries to find a pug in PvE also has to be rank X. New players will drop the game very, very fast, because not a single player will group up with them. They are, after all, not "uber" enough to have an emote, which means they are new. If you tell me you cannot see ToA with every group spamming "looking for more, must be rank 7 or higher!!!", then I suggest you think a bit more about this. We all know players have moved away from PvP because of rank. They did not move away from it because it was "to hard", they moved away because they could not find a group. You are proposing to do the same thing to PvE.

Angel Develin · Jan 23, 2006, 12:25 AM // 00:25

so you say new players will not play the game any more just for the idea of ranking ?? so ther must be only a few ppl playing PvP. lol, if it was like u say then no 1 would ever play PvP any more or join PvP team or guilds this is what u say:

Wait till any player who tries to find a pug in PvE also has to be rank X. New players will drop the game very, very fast, because not a single player will group up with them. They are, after all, not "uber" enough to have an emote, which means they are new.

so make the PVE a PvP and this is what u get when you start PvP and have no rank.

Halmyr · Jan 23, 2006, 12:37 AM // 00:37

Yes fame, stick with PvP, I dont wanna see ppl be like, OMG YOUR NOT RANK 3, RED ENGINE GORE RED ENGINE GORE.

emote what keeps me away from pvp, dont wanna see that probleme cross over too pve.

Nessaja · Jan 23, 2006, 01:32 AM // 01:32

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Originally Posted by Banebow

Obsidian Armor argument

I have told you that Obsidian Armor is not related to PvE experience. I have played about 2000 hours now, and in that time I never even got a drop higher then 50k. In this weekend, selling and buying green items, I've made more Gold+Loot by trading then I have in those 2000 hours of playing.

Your argument that farming monks will have level 9 emotes, while true, is a bogus argument, as the same counts for PvP emotes. It's about recognition, not a solid way to get a "gosu" party.

Draeco_Smash · Jan 23, 2006, 02:06 AM // 02:06

All Hail Banebow!!!!
What hes saying is true,
That Rank does discourage new players from PvP... especially ppl who beat the game in PvE! they cross over, and suddenly they have no idea what is going on and because they dont have R3+ they can't even get into a decent IWAY group for F**K sakes...
So... they bash PvP, say it sux... and leave...
Fame has hurt PvP more than IWAY ever could...
but once again, it's a tactic to keep ppl who play and are committed more interested in that aspect of the game by which I mean PvP

Deathqueen · Jan 23, 2006, 02:20 AM // 02:20

[/quote] If PvE fame is FoW armour, I have yet to see a group spamming... GLF ppl, "must have FoW armour" [/quote]

laffin that was good haha "must have FoW armour" or you're a noob and we don't want you. laffin

And I would agree FoW armor doesn't mean anything towards fame because it's really too easy to get because of the 100gp ecto prices when they reset the economy. It really should be based on experience and perhaps tied to doing "bonus" missions of the PVE missions. Not likely farmers would bother working on bonus missions they are after gold anyway not fame. So, the experience you get from doing "bonus" missions would and could be the system used for gaining fame.

gotenks · Jan 23, 2006, 03:34 AM // 03:34

/unsigned

Last thing that PvE needs is some sort of rank system which makes life hard for new players. Seriously people, this game wont survive long if new players are not joining all the time. Personal rank is something that hurts the new players the most. Current PvP is an example of that. With factions coming out there will be a lot of new players coming in. As things stand now they will have no chance of enjoying PvP much as most good groups will be rank 6+ by then. It would be a nightmare scenario for Anet if groups in PvE also started having some sort of /emote rank x+ requirement.

Chicken Rice Seller · Jan 23, 2006, 04:03 AM // 04:03

Ranks imo is stupid ...come on i see someone with Woooow rank9 doing pve ..and he look like someone that just started playing..
and really some so-called high ranked players are more of a iway type ..

And wats with the name calling after each battle lost ..some people really need to "grow" up ..geezzz