Curse

Loviatar · Jan 10, 2006, 08:21 PM // 20:21

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Originally Posted by King Symeon

I I envy all those rich people with 1000s of K who will have everything good when they start getting into Chapter 2.

will their brilliant sword of showoffsmanship that cant be seen in towns cut any better than your collectors sword of utility of the same stats?

i have Drok when i can afford 15k for the simple reason i wont pay for looks alone.

and i have just started another presear character because it is a nice place to visit

i play for fun not to keep up with someone else.

and i am middle income here

necromesmer · Jan 10, 2006, 10:26 PM // 22:26

Man get over it and earn some gold the old fashioned way. FARM!

Takeko Nakano · Jan 10, 2006, 11:51 PM // 23:51

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Originally Posted by King Symeon

I felt this was/is/will be a big issue, and asked Gaile about any plans for a currency change. Her answer was something along the lines of 'No.'

Excellent - I'm very happy to hear that. I started off when there were no get-rich-quick schemes, have not had perfect fellblades and eternal shields drop for me, etc. I also have only made a very modest amount of money from farming. And you know what, I have two 15k armour sets with superior runes (inc vigor) and another with a mix of 15k armour (looks better to me) - with lots of money in the bank.

I did play a fair bit, but I never played 24/7. If people want to play casually then they're playing casually. If you want to invest time in a game, you get rewards. Why should casual gamers get everything for nothing? They spend more time doing other things in the REAL WORLD, so they're not suffering.

If you want the top rewards, play the game to gain them.

BigTru · Jan 11, 2006, 04:01 AM // 04:01

I'm not among the rich either, but I don't see this as a problem.

I've never had money problems just playing through the mission (except for when I just got into Ascalon, where I didn't have enough gold to buy new armor)

Unless you are able to go to Lion's Arch and get a Drok's run, there really isn't much of an advantage anyone can have over you. Will others have cooler looking armor earlier than you? Probably. Will there be people who will be able to buy unneccissarily-strong-for-the-area weapons? Yes, that is likely too.

However, all the weapons you really need drop off monsters in your area, are obtained from weapon-smiths, or are forged from armorers.

The PvP missions are supposedly optional, and I imagine most people won't want to start doing them till they've atleast reached level 20, as with most other forms of PvP.

actionjack · Jan 11, 2006, 04:52 AM // 04:52

Well, how about this question?
Assuming that Yes, your new Assassin of Ritualist in Canthra have access to your save up riches early on, and that they could gain the best armor and weapon with it. And that the other new player don't have this option.

So, as a Dev, how will you design the new land/area/mission/pvp? Will you made it where it is balance for those with the basic stuff to get by? Make it more challenging for the better off people? Since everyone is not starting on the same starting line, how will you make the race fair?

Now, I would predict that A.net might do something where your new Canthra character will not be able to access to your storage still later on. Meaning lock you in a "no siginal" zone, much like Pre-Sear, till you are level 15 or so. Than, have no access to any running to higher level, with the "Mission Blockades". And only than, after you are lv18 or 20ish, could you have access back to CH I land. Of couse, that is only a guess, and also as a suggestion.

lord pun|shment · Jan 11, 2006, 05:01 AM // 05:01

dont quote me but i think that something was mentioned about a "pre-sear" like area in chapter 2.......i belive this would solve all peoples worries

Banebow · Jan 11, 2006, 05:11 AM // 05:11

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Originally Posted by actionjack

Well, how about this question?
Assuming that Yes, your new Assassin of Ritualist in Canthra have access to your save up riches early on, and that they could gain the best armor and weapon with it. And that the other new player don't have this option.

Probably things will be like what we have now. Armor levels will scale as areas get more difficult and as you progress in the game. As armor increase, collectors will be standing by to take all those easily-purchased or found monster drops from you and hand you a set of armor, or a strong weapon. No, the only advantage the rich will have is that they will be able to pay for the exorbitant run prices that will be charged (new area + new class + new armor + new skills = runners get rich) and the ability to buy any new 15k armor sets that come out. The super-rich may be able to buy any obsidian-like armor, but again, stats are the same across the board. If you are not taken into a group because you don't have obsidian/15k armor, then you probably didn't want to be in that group of farmers anyway.

The Herbalizer · Jan 11, 2006, 10:37 AM // 10:37

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Well, how about this question?
Assuming that Yes, your new Assassin of Ritualist in Canthra have access to your save up riches early on, and that they could gain the best armor and weapon with it. And that the other new player don't have this option.

So, as a Dev, how will you design the new land/area/mission/pvp? Will you made it where it is balance for those with the basic stuff to get by? Make it more challenging for the better off people? Since everyone is not starting on the same starting line, how will you make the race fair?

Comments like this make me very angry. What you want is a communist version of guild wars like what someone mentioned earlier i think. Good weapons dont make you a good player. And those that have worked hard to afford them are entitled to the nice stuff. Guild Wars would be awful if everyone started off with perfect weps and armor. Just because you are poor does not mean everyone else has to be.

Salia Mare · Jan 11, 2006, 10:52 AM // 10:52

As it has said ever and ever again, you don't need to be rich to get best stats items..
15k/FoW armors, where is the different with the drok's ones except skin ?_?
Max weapons..., did you hear of collectors?
And don't say Droks Armor or collector items are hard to get,
-if you play the game the way it should be (no pay for runs), when in Droks you have enough to buy yours-

I'm totaly sure same thing will apply in Ch2, i mean an easy way to get max common items and an harder for different skins (needing longer play).

lord pun|shment · Jan 11, 2006, 11:09 AM // 11:09

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

Comments like this make me very angry. What you want is a communist version of guild wars like what someone mentioned earlier i think. Good weapons dont make you a good player. And those that have worked hard to afford them are entitled to the nice stuff. Guild Wars would be awful if everyone started off with perfect weps and armor. Just because you are poor does not mean everyone else has to be.

i second the motion.

the simple answer is, play good, play hard, play long......for like 8-9-10 months long........then if your still "poor".....ill give you a loan

Battle Torn · Jan 11, 2006, 11:15 AM // 11:15

There will be new crafting materials needed for chapter 2, just remember that so no one will have the best new armour from the start. I for one am saving for the new chapter, it has given the game a new leece of life for me...why shouldnt there be some reward for the people who put the time in?...why are the poor allways bitching about the rich when they could be rich also if they choose to be but are either too lazy or not skilled enough?...nerf...nerf...nerf... I cant be bothered...or cant make money...erm so just nerf everythigelse in the game so i can have a fair start in the new chapter...ILMAO... get playing and saving like everyonelse. Sometimes I think people forget we are playing the same game here. I think it fair that Lazy players should be at some kind of dissatvantage for not playing and not the dedicated players otherwise there would be none. People are obsessed with equality in this game... well there are allways better players with better equipment and more gold that you and were all moving up the ladder. I want the best equipment, best skills, most money I can get.... doesnt everyone?

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There's an awful lot of whining in this thread. Nef this and nerf that. No one ever said that being rich makes you a better player. And assuming that everyone who is fairly well off ebays it is just plain retarded and ignorant.

Nerf the 55 build? Then nerf the solo warrior spider build. And nerf the solo warrior ataaxe build. May as well nerf the 2/3/4 man UW trapper build too. And make SS less powerful. If you whiners had your way every weapon for every class would do exactly the same amount of damage on every monster. Every hex and every enchantment would have the exact same effect. And every monster would drop exactly the same item/gold every time.

What a wonderful idea.

lol couldnt have said this better myself. if Anet nerf everything then most of the long term regular players would have no reason to play anymore and go play somethingelse....I know I would.

I honestly cant see any way of changing the gold in chapter 2 and I dont want to either. Ive put alot of time into this game and I want something back in return like being one of the first to be there with enough cash to get the items I want for a change before things get nerfed the way FoW armour was as it is alot more difficult to get now. I cant wait to see if there will be new armour.. would be great to have opposite of FoW armour... something shiny with rubies or saphs!

lord pun|shment · Jan 11, 2006, 11:34 AM // 11:34

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Originally Posted by Battle Torn

I honestly cant see any way of changing the gold in chapter 2 and I dont want to either. Ive put alot of time into this game and I want something back in return like being one of the first to be there with enough cash to get the items I want for a change before things get nerfed the way FoW armour was as it is alot more difficult to get now. I cant wait to see if there will be new armour.. would be great to have opposite of FoW armour... something shiny!

i couldnt agree more mate

....some of us were here & watched things evolve, & now....we could easily SAVE to buy FoW armour.......why bother? its nearly 1.5 million if not more in materials.......thanks too the 11yo ebay noobs that jack the prices sky high.

if you want to get angry at people, get angry at the ones who cause market prices to skyrocket, blame the ebayers, that buy 1 million gold & have all godly stuff at level 4 & then run around screaming "noob, noob"

blame the people with macro bots that farm ectos & shards till near extinction........then sit in ToA selling 100's & 1000's of them.....hell they even farm weapon drops......& material.........

GuildWars NEEDS the expansion, the long term players NEED the expansion, we need the new armour, the new weapons, the new choices.

the thing people need to remember is, GW is 100x better eye candy than WoW......& besides initial costs & new chapters......everythign is free.....free halloween events, free christmas events......free weapons like all the greens in SF, the IDS........how much would all this content cost if it wasn't free???

I DON'T WANT TO KNOW!!! I like things the way they are

so..sit back, chill, crack a beer & say cheers to the folks @ ANET.

They work bloody hard for us, dont make them start charging us for it aye?

Takeko Nakano · Jan 11, 2006, 11:56 AM // 11:56

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

Comments like this make me very angry. What you want is a communist version of guild wars like what someone mentioned earlier i think. Good weapons dont make you a good player. And those that have worked hard to afford them are entitled to the nice stuff. Guild Wars would be awful if everyone started off with perfect weps and armor. Just because you are poor does not mean everyone else has to be.

I agree 100%. Max weapons and armour are all fully available without too much trouble. Droknar's armour is affordable if you simply play the PvE game and collector's weapons are actually quite good. If you play PvP, then you can just make a PvP character with whatever you want.

There is no reason why anyone should have a huge advantage over other players permanently. It's all about skill-bar setups and little else. Who cares if someone else has an eternal shield!?! This is called "Guild Wars" not "Fashion Wars". If you're constantly obsessed with comparing yourself to others then you're taking this game far too seriously!

Wolvine · Jan 11, 2006, 12:35 PM // 12:35

At the end of the day the only difference between droks and any 15k armour is in look only (and yes I have several chars with both 15k and normal droks armour which can be killed just as easily as my chars with Ascalon armour).

I made a lot of money from the old guru auction system when I got a few great drop and sold them here the most I ever got for an item was 300k which got me 15k armour for 4 of my chars on 1 of my accounts and the corresponding runes. And last night I got my first black dye drop after 1000+ hours of game play but I have been luck in another sence where I have got 2 sup abs form killing monsters either in quests or doing farming.

Now that does that class me as super rich or just plain lucky as I dont see my chars as superrich

just plain lucky

with the drops as I have seen lower level chars get several near perfect items drop in a row when more powerful cahrs get white ones.

Thats the luck of the draw.

Gildor Took · Jan 11, 2006, 01:12 PM // 13:12

will the new armour in factions be "better" and make drok, 15k and FoW armour obselete?

Hockster · Jan 11, 2006, 02:08 PM // 14:08

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Originally Posted by Gildor Took

will the new armour in factions be "better" and make drok, 15k and FoW armour obselete?

Damn, my crystal ball is still in the shop.

As there's no level increase, it stands to reason that the armor will have identical stats to what's currently available. If it was any better the collective whine from the pvpers would be overwhelming.

badazzreddawg · Jan 11, 2006, 02:18 PM // 14:18

Dude, to put it bluntly get over it. The rich will always be rich the poor will always have to work to get it, with options out there to buy a million gold off of ebay, plus the price of some of the drops you get its always gonna be. One thing Anet could do is find a way to stop the sell of gold off of ebay but that will be like trying to stop a train with a twig, aint gonna happen. You want my advice on getting rich? Go buy money off of ebay. I personally am against it but if will keep you from posting another pointless thread crying cause your broke well there ya go. Go get rich the easy way. Have a nice day.

djfatben · Jan 31, 2006, 07:15 PM // 19:15

Something I don't understand - Why is everyone so against people buying gold? For some people it makes sense. By way of a for instance, what if you've got little to no to play, let alone farm, but you still want the best looking items or the best gear. Why shouldn't you be able to buy gold? It's basically paying so you don't have to spend time doing something you don't really care to do. I've never thought it was wrong. If you feel like spending 9 bucks to get 100k in a video game is worth it, you're more than welcome to do it. If you get lucky you can get an item worth the same amount in 20 minutes or less. If someone believes their time is worth more than the amount of cash it takes to get the same amount of gold, why should you stop them? Does it affect you directly? Possibly. But no more than if they were farming for gold and were good at it.

Loviatar · Jan 31, 2006, 07:38 PM // 19:38

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Originally Posted by djfatben

Something I don't understand - Why is everyone so against people buying gold? For some people it makes sense. By way of a for instance, what if you've got little to no to play, let alone farm, but you still want the best looking items or the best gear. .

it is against the rules you agreed to play by when you installed the game?

rich people have an advantage perhaps?

i just bought a fully twinked out account with the best of everything for only 500 dollars.

*I DONT HAVE TIME TO PLAY IT BUT DAMN I SURE IMPRESS PEOPLE IN THE GAME*

The Herbalizer · Jan 31, 2006, 07:38 PM // 19:38

Well i spend bloody ages trying to get enough gold for my fissure armor only for an ebayer to get the same amount of gold in minutes. Then when i do get it people just view me as another one of "those fissure wearing ebayers". I chose to invest extra time to afford such luxuries and if you have not got enough time then thats your fault.