Curse

Glints Bane · Feb 14, 2006, 04:02 PM // 16:02

The thing on SS isnt retarded because most necro's in the low lvl arena that have SS are doing upwards of 25 dmg with runes and all and with only a four man team usaully the enemy is spread out a bit so SS isnt as affective.

And I don't believe in the "if you cant beat em join em" thing. I believe use there own stuff against them.

And in the high lvl arena's I don't find it hard to win My pvp charactar on my other account has fame and his guild is ranked. And the thing about the unfair advantage is stupid because in ascolon I dont have an advantage actually I have a disadvantage becuase there are still people who go to great lengths to abtain skill to make super powerfull builds like there was a MM making minion bombs and I've also incountered a biuld similar to a 55 monk.

Sofonisba · Feb 14, 2006, 08:55 PM // 20:55

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Originally Posted by Glints Bane

The thing on SS isnt retarded because most necro's in the low lvl arena that have SS are doing upwards of 25 dmg with runes and all and with only a four man team usaully the enemy is spread out a bit so SS isnt as affective.

I'll ask again: Why even put SS into your skill bar if you think it's such a sad skill? Knowledgeable players will freeze (and probably not mouse over to see HOW much damage you're doing/not doing with it), new players will kill themselves.

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Originally Posted by Glints Bane

And I don't believe in the "if you cant beat em join em" thing. I believe use there own stuff against them.

Please describe the difference, using full sentences and punctuation for our maximum comprehension.

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Originally Posted by Glints Bane

And in the high lvl arena's I don't find it hard to win My pvp charactar on my other account has fame and his guild is ranked. And the thing about the unfair advantage is stupid because in ascolon I dont have an advantage actually I have a disadvantage becuase there are still people who go to great lengths to abtain skill to make super powerfull builds like there was a MM making minion bombs and I've also incountered a biuld similar to a 55 monk.

I have a question: If there were restrictions put upon armor and signets of capture--ie, you could not bring what you do currently into Ascalon and Yak's--would you still participate in the lower levels?

When you stated you were "sick" of the upper levels, why was that? Curious, because I would get sicker, faster, of Ascalon, seeing the same scenery over and over...

I'm sorry to say, I suspect twinkies NEED the feeling of pwning n00bz that they know they will encounter once in a while in the lower levels; that they are less than overpowering in level 20 arenas. There can be no other explanation.

Harmony · Feb 14, 2006, 09:02 PM // 21:02

/bump and definitely signed

I'm against running through the game in general, just for the record.

MinaDrakul · Feb 14, 2006, 09:04 PM // 21:04

/signed

I very much agree! I don't personally PvP very often, but I still think this should be fixed for those who enjoy it. Another problem is that it makes MORE people get run just to "keep up". It's a viscious cycle that needs to be stopped.

Glints Bane · Feb 14, 2006, 11:59 PM // 23:59

First with the SS thing it is a little something to add onto all the degeneration I have on my target foe. At LvL ten I still don't have alot of skills, I'm not like the other people who spend loads of money to get skills for higher LvL arena builds for the Ascolon Arena. So I use SS because it is the closest thing to a degeneration that I have because again other then SS all my skills are skills from Yaks Bend or earlier.

And on the "can't beat em join em" thing. If I were to join them I would go to extreme length's to make a perfect degeneration build that would own the Ascolon Arena along with hiring someone to run the two attribute's quests for me for extra attribute's. That would be joining them. Using there stuff against them would be buying droks armor for defense against those who are going to great lengths to get skills for higher LvL builds. Again SS is the only skill I use that is beyond Yak's. I only use SS on warrior's and casters who are mimicking higher lvl build's. That is how you use their own stuff against them. If the opposing team is not that good I do not use SS on them.

To answer your question yes I would since SS would be the only skill I couldn't use(I did use ether lord for a while but no longer do I use that skill).

The reason I was sick of the higher LvL arena's was the fact that your alway's fighting build's that are mostly the same. What I mean by that is not that everyone is the same but like in the HoH's the group builds are very similar and are repetitive because everyone has something for either Spiker group or or IWAY and so forth. But is the low LvL arena's you don't have as many attribute's as a higher LvL so you are then forced to ponder what you would do and what skills to use.

I feel like your last statement was an insult but I take no offence because I know that if your argument turns toward dagrading someone verbally I believe that you are not able to come up with anything else that could have any relevance in this argument for everyone thus far has repeated just about the same thing over and over. Now to set the record straight when it comes to the low LvL arena's I do not find any joy in killing a person that is new to the game anymore than I find killing a person who has 15k armor and is casting awaken the blood then echoing SS or a monk that is casting protective spirit and healing breaze along with mending and balthazars spirit and essence bond. Again it is more of a chalenge with less then one hundred attribute's.

Now I know that you believe what you believe and more then likely will not change your beliefs and the same is for me you cannot change my beliefs. So I hope that the verbal abuse from anyone will stop so that this thread may stay alive so other people like yourself and like me will be able to post what they believe.

M C H A M M E R · Feb 15, 2006, 12:20 AM // 00:20

In my opinion, when they enter the arena, all skills are set to an average, and AL is the same for all...I went into Asc arena with my lvl 9 necro, to find a lvl 15 with a victo axe, bulwark, and 15k gladiators with 15k plate helm...

M C H A M M E R · Feb 15, 2006, 12:21 AM // 00:21

In my opinion, when they enter the arena, all skills are set to an average, and AL is the same for all...I went into Asc arena with my lvl 9 necro, to find a lvl 10* with a victo axe, bulwark, and 15k gladiators with 15k plate helm...

M C H A M M E R · Feb 15, 2006, 12:21 AM // 00:21

In my opinion, when they enter the arena, all skills are set to an average, and AL is the same for all...I went into Asc arena with my lvl 9 necro, to find a lvl 10* with a victo axe, bulwark, and 15k gladiators with 15k plate helm...

M C H A M M E R · Feb 15, 2006, 12:22 AM // 00:22

sorry, comp lagged =S

Glints Bane · Feb 15, 2006, 12:51 AM // 00:51

The first post says lvl 15 warrior and the second and third say lvl 10 so which was it because lvl 15 cannot anter the arena games.

Whispering Siren · Feb 15, 2006, 01:47 AM // 01:47

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Originally Posted by Glints Bane

And on the "can't beat em join em" thing. If I were to join them I would go to extreme length's to make a perfect degeneration build that would own the Ascolon Arena along with hiring someone to run the two attribute's quests for me for extra attribute's. That would be joining them. Using there stuff against them would be buying droks armor for defense against those who are going to great lengths to get skills for higher LvL builds. Again SS is the only skill I use that is beyond Yak's. I only use SS on warrior's and casters who are mimicking higher lvl build's. That is how you use their own stuff against them. If the opposing team is not that good I do not use SS on them.

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Now to set the record straight when it comes to the low LvL arena's I do not find any joy in killing a person that is new to the game anymore than I find killing a person who has 15k armor and is casting awaken the blood then echoing SS or a monk that is casting protective spirit and healing breaze along with mending and balthazars spirit and essence bond. Again it is more of a chalenge with less then one hundred attribute's.

Your logic is fundamentally flawed.

You ARE joining them. You couldn't kill them with low level skills, so you DID go to extreme lengths (running, capping an elite at a low level, buying high level armor) to JOIN them in the same thing they are doing, in an attempt to "beat" them.

You claim that you don't use SS on those non-twinked players who are using only low level skills and armor and that (therefore) you do not ruin their game. First of all, having droknar's armor makes THEM less effective against you and it's practically impossible to kill you with any ease (aside from necro, mesmer or smite damage, since that directly affects your health). You have a clear advantage here. Second of all, you're only putting SS on those who are twinked like you are, eh? Well, guess what? That low level, non-twinked, new player standing next to the twinked one is ALSO taking the damage from your SS. Oh... and parties are random, so it's not like that person CHOSE to play with a twinkie!

Now what? Now that person dies (over and over again in every match) and their innocent fun is ruined. What do they do? They do what YOU have done, maybe trying to justify in the same way, maybe not... but then they ruin someone else's fun and the cycle just continues.

All in all, a very sore introduction to PvP for a new player. And it's degrading at a very rapid pace. I don't believe you could find a match that doesn't have at least one twinkie. I dare you to try.

Glints Bane · Feb 15, 2006, 03:37 AM // 03:37

Because of a personal letter from Sofonisba and some thuoght, for this issue has been on my mind for some while and reading all of your talk, I gladly and without regret recant all of my rants on this issue. I now think that elite armor and skills should be locked from low lvl PvP but should not be locked from low lvl PvE(well maybe the armor should). I think now that you should not be allowed to enter the low lvl arena game with elite skill equiped and elite armor on. These are my new beliefs and I wish that you WOULD question them.
Fly with Christ

Glints Bane · Feb 15, 2006, 04:02 AM // 04:02

Oh and I'm also on my free time going to the low lvl arena's and going to "preach" against the "twinkies".

P.S. Don't call me Glints Bane Call me the Twinkie preacher.(humor)

phreakilla · Feb 15, 2006, 02:19 PM // 14:19

who really cares? i mean really. one thing is to cut out running would greatly damage the economy of the game, or even to limit it. how many of you played the game then didnt want to do all the missions agian with your 2nd, 3rd or maybe 4th character. i for one used to run alot but ive retired unless a guild member needs it. but at the same time why should i waste 2 weeks trying to get my latest character up to lvl 20 with droks or even 15k or fow if ive done it 3 times before?

Sofonisba · Feb 15, 2006, 03:49 PM // 15:49

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Originally Posted by phreakilla

who really cares? i mean really. one thing is to cut out running would greatly damage the economy of the game, or even to limit it. how many of you played the game then didnt want to do all the missions agian with your 2nd, 3rd or maybe 4th character. i for one used to run alot but ive retired unless a guild member needs it. but at the same time why should i waste 2 weeks trying to get my latest character up to lvl 20 with droks or even 15k or fow if ive done it 3 times before?

phreakilla, the issue here is NOT people running to get armor and skills for PVE. I have no problems whatsoever with that, and I even helped run a guildie to Droknar's myself, knowing that that player had no intention of playing in arena. I don't think anyone cares, to answer your question.

The only issue is bringing the armor and skills to the low-level arenas, Ascalon and Yak's Bend.

Glint's Bane: Thank you as well for your note. I did not in any way believe I would help change your mind, nor was I really trying. I just wanted you to know why I felt so strongly and why I came off so harshly.

If you really mean to preach against twinkies, please do it here, not in-game. You will get more abuse and ridicule for preaching against the practice, than you ever would for being a twinkie. You can trust me on that.

Lord Cooper · Feb 15, 2006, 04:31 PM // 16:31

i totally agree with this..

just to clarify to everyone one more time though

the issue is not with runners and running in general each to their own they paid the money for the game is running is how they want to play thats their decision.

the issue is with people who abuse the low level arenas by going in with droks armour and max weapons and elite skills with the sole purpose of bullying new players. i suppose you could call it griefing.

anyway

/signed

Glints Bane · Feb 15, 2006, 04:43 PM // 16:43

What I ment by preaching it was asking my freinds that are twinkies to stop what they are doing.

Oh and /signed

Epinephrine · Feb 15, 2006, 04:49 PM // 16:49

That Anet hasn't stepped in really is upsetting. Ascalon Arena should be a place for new players to get a taste of PvP, and to have some fuin doing it. It should have PvE rewards (materials like Fur, Steel and such for armours, weapons that are great for low level play and dyes for example). It should be a way to get people into playing PvP, to experiment with their toons beofre setting out.

I am actually in favour ofPvE rewards for PvP, in the arenas. Make arena play a valid alternative to farming, and instead of having 90% of the community farming griffons etc... they could be farming in arenas, making for more PvP players, and making the game environment better.

In order to do it right, either have the arena simply cap the mdamge ranges on weapons, the AL of armour and block skills from outside the area, or most simply, if the toon has been past Yak's Bend it cannotcompete in the Ascalon Arena. Similarly, cap the Yak's arena based on travel through Dreadnought's Drift or the Sanctum Cay mission for example.

Glints Bane · Feb 15, 2006, 05:44 PM // 17:44

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Originally Posted by Epinephrine

In order to do it right, either have the arena simply cap the mdamge ranges on weapons, the AL of armour and block skills from outside the area, or most simply, if the toon has been past Yak's Bend it cannotcompete in the Ascalon Arena. Similarly, cap the Yak's arena based on travel through Dreadnought's Drift or the Sanctum Cay mission for example.

I don't think that Anet should cap weapon's smply because at a low lvl like lvl 10 a max weapon does not do max dmg on the contrary it doas below the minimum depending on your attributes. Now Anet should do something similar with the mods because lets say you have Villnars staff(+30HP and +15NRG req 9 curses) then it should be maybe half of the mods if you do not reach the req for the staff. Now on capping depending on where you have been thats just wrong Instead lets say a person at lvl 10 wearing 15k armor and elite skills goes to ascalon arena and clicks on the "enter mission" button on his/her screen a sign then should appear saying something like "You cannot enter because your equipment is above the maximum req for this arena" or something like that.

Age · Feb 15, 2006, 07:51 PM // 19:51

The Arenas themselves are a Joke in way and I mean all Arenas except TA.This is the reason why there are becoming bad players in the game.I got ran there myself but I am at a higher level past 15 anyway once I get to LA I am usually 15.There s nothing agianst running there to look at the armor and check the place out but in in general ppl would be better players if they took their time and played the game normally.This is the reason there are bad pugs and it is not just the Warriors but they are the majoraity.I go there to check the Ascalon and Yaks arenas out but when I see those in Droks armor I just give up and go play the rest of the game.The only good PvP is GvG there are bad pugs at the HoH as well.The only way to solve this and that is to let higher levels have access to these arenas those that are level 20 ascended play at the Ascalon maybe this would teach them a lesson.I would say no caps just remove them.