Curse

Mavrik · Sep 16, 2005, 07:59 PM // 19:59

I was so pleased when the update came out because I had an instant advantage over many who played the game the "right way"

Droknar was spammed with "LFR to camp Rankor!" while I simply had to map jump there as it was on my map from my run to Droknar haha. I even had citadel already to which is another access to the War Camp.

bash me for playing how I want to but I will continue to play it how I want to... solo with droknar armor on my warrior at lv14 through Kryta is SO much fun for me... a lot more fun then being killed constantly while wearing yak's bend armor.

infernal · Sep 16, 2005, 08:11 PM // 20:11

Wow Moskel.. that post was all over the place;
What do you mean, "Is yaks bend arena still there? I don't PVE much these days!".
Yaks bend arena, like all arenas are PVP and not PVE. I'm sure that must have been a typo=P (and yes, it's still there)

Secondly, you state the help someone has to offer on missions wearing droks, weilding max dam and equipped with elites.
You should really read the thread more carefully.
This isn't about restricting lower levels from having droks or anything else they can get their grubby pb&j hands on. If someone wants to get 'twinked' out so they can feel safer about doing 'The Great Northern Wall' mission (as if it isn't easy enough), then by all means.. 'Twink-away!'. Pathetic, but w/e.

It's about disallowing these toons from bringing all that crap into an arena where it doesn't belong (imho)! If high-end equipment belongs in high-end arena's then it follows that low-end equipment belongs in low-end arenas.
Surely you wouldn't feel too happy about a bunch of lvl 10's flooding LA arenas! And why?
Because you have honor and you want to win an honest fight, right?
Then perhaps the inverse is also true ~

You wouldn't want the lower arena's flooded with pseudo-lvl20s for the same reason: You have honor and want to win an honest fight!

Infernal

infernal · Sep 16, 2005, 08:28 PM // 20:28

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Originally Posted by Mavrik

I was so pleased when the update came out because I had an instant advantage over many who played the game the "right way"

Droknar was spammed with "LFR to camp Rankor!" while I simply had to map jump there as it was on my map from my run to Droknar haha. I even had citadel already to which is another access to the War Camp.

bash me for playing how I want to but I will continue to play it how I want to... solo with droknar armor on my warrior at lv14 through Kryta is SO much fun for me... a lot more fun then being killed constantly while wearing yak's bend armor.

Yup, I have no problem with this.
But this thread is about PVP and lower-level arena's, NOT PVE!!

Noone is bashing you, Mavrik! Instead, we're bashing those who take those advantages into an arena with level restrictions (which makes it's own case for the other 'proposed' restrictions as well) wearing droks armor, using elite skills and equipping some uber-max damage weapon.

Infernal

bobrath · Sep 16, 2005, 08:44 PM // 20:44

Forget level limits on skills/armor/equipement. All you have to do is restrict access to arenas to those that haven't passed threshold points. You can't enter just as if you were too high level.

Ascalon Arena is for those that have not been to Yak's Bend yet.
Yak's Arena is for those that have not been to Beacon's Perch yet.

At that point, you have eliminated any chance of someone bringing higher level equipment or skills back into arenas but have had *zero* effect on the PvE aspect

Sofonisba · Sep 16, 2005, 08:45 PM // 20:45

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Originally Posted by Moskel

I'm not really sure its worth the coding effort to put restrictions on the arena, I'm with the 'if you can't beat them, join them crowd'. If you want to play on more even footing pick a pre-made PvP only character and go to the Random Arena.

I think these devs are smart folks, and if there were some coding that they wanted/needed to get done, they would do it. Most of us are in this thread discussing our opinion that this coding ought to be considered. If I want an even footing, I guess I can take one of my four level 20 characters to the random arena. I have one slot open on my second account for PvP-only, maybe I'll use it one day. BUT what I don't understand, is why you and others like you, don't understand the concept of a lower-level arena.

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PvE is bring what you've got, should you also restrict somebody from doing Great Northern Wall with a max damage weapon, max armor and superior runes? Is it fair to the other people in the party then since they are being helped or does that also ruin their gameplay experience since the mission is a trivial joke instead of a fun challenge?

Totally off-topic, diversionary, and irrelevant.

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It only takes roughly 20 hours to play through far enough to get real skills and good enough armor that you can play, sure maybe its not in the Ascalon Arena anymore, maybe its in Yak's Bend now (is that arena still there? I don't PvE much these days).

Please stop telling me about how to get good skills/armor/weapons. This knowledge already resides in my brain.

What I ask for, and what others ask for, is for you to keep your twinked-butt out of my arena--that's all.

infernal · Sep 16, 2005, 08:53 PM // 20:53

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Originally Posted by bobrath

Forget level limits on skills/armor/equipement. All you have to do is restrict access to arenas to those that haven't passed threshold points. You can't enter just as if you were too high level.

Ascalon Arena is for those that have not been to Yak's Bend yet.
Yak's Arena is for those that have not been to Beacon's Perch yet.

At that point, you have eliminated any chance of someone bringing higher level equipment or skills back into arenas but have had *zero* effect on the PvE aspect

Well said!!
Bravo!

Mavrik · Sep 16, 2005, 09:00 PM // 21:00

Ah yeah I know no one is bashing me, I've posted a couple times in here about capping lv and armor lv, certain skills from PvP

Now thats a good idea about... ascalon access till you get to yaks, no ascalon access after yaks and so forth... only thing is for the actual (perhaps few) people who are playing the game properly, may make it to yaks and still wish to fight in ascalon, what then? They have not been run, they are playing the game properly... but now they can't go back. Kinda unfair for them...

Teklord · Sep 16, 2005, 09:13 PM // 21:13

If you play the game 'properly' and the 'right' way, you will already be beyond the level restriction for Ascalon Arena when you reach Yak's bend. I know all four of my characters were. Beacon's Perch is a bit different, you could easily be only 15 or 14 by then, but to that I just say too bad. The idea is for the greater good of the whole Guild Wars community, and that in and of itself is why it should be granted an audience with the developers.

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Originally Posted by Sofonisba

What I ask for, and what others ask for, is for you to keep your twinked-butt out of my arena--that's all.

Absolute perfection. As with others, if ya'll wanna make the rest of the game such a cake walk for yourself by all means. Keep it out of the Arenas, there is fun to be had there yet.

johnnylange · Sep 16, 2005, 09:26 PM // 21:26

lol, I'm surprised that so many take the low lvl arenas so seriously.

Teklord · Sep 16, 2005, 09:30 PM // 21:30

Can you answer me this one basic question: What is so great about being a twinkie in a lower level arena?

-malachi- · Sep 16, 2005, 09:47 PM // 21:47

No offense Teklord, but on new characters *I* rush them myself, none of that staying to pre until level 9 crap. I can make it to oasis at about level 15-17 usually, and ascend by about 30 hours (if people actually want to group with someone below a 20 there

)...so if you know what your doing...oh wait I forgot, most people who get run don't. They just like to "pwn' and talk trash in low arenas because they most likely can't hack it in the regular ones.

/signed (to lock ascalon once you get to yaks and so forth)

johnnylange · Sep 16, 2005, 09:49 PM // 21:49

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Originally Posted by Teklord

Can you answer me this one basic question: What is so great about being a twinkie in a lower level arena?

It's all about the cream filling!

Ok, I'll let you all in on a little secret...I quit playing in low lvl arenas long before this thread ever came out. Didn't care for ramdom teams and the flaming attitudes everyone had when their team didn't win.

Teklord · Sep 16, 2005, 09:50 PM // 21:50

What offense is there to take? If your getting rushed for your own purposes and reasons so be it. I only take issue to those that twink out and come to the lower level arenas...

Edit: Cream filling? I'm supposed to understand this term. Must be something new the youth use these days I'm figuring.

Sofonisba · Sep 16, 2005, 10:04 PM // 22:04

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Originally Posted by johnnylange

lol, I'm surprised that so many take the low lvl arenas so seriously.

So many people like the...um, I don't know, can't-beat-'em-join-'em-anything-to-win crowd?

I totally hear you on the bad attitudes you encounter in the arenas, it does get discouraging.

But I'm with Teklord, there is fun to be had yet in the lower levels, and I have been a part of that fun. I recently leveled both my ranger and my necro out of Yaks with almost the barest of skill sets - and now I miss that arena! (Luckily I've got another ele coming up, she still plays at Ascalon.)

I do look forward to working on them both and becoming a force in the level 20 PvP arena. Slowly adding skills and using my experience to watch how they fit into PvP or PvE or both - you just don't get that with the insta-PvP characters, or the insta-rushed ones either I imagine. (Disclaimer: Not everyone has to play my way, I never want to dictate that way.)

You wanted to know why I take lower-level arenas so "seriously?" Because I take the higher-level arenas "seriously." (As seriously as one can, considering it is yet a game.)

Sofonisba · Sep 16, 2005, 10:05 PM // 22:05

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Originally Posted by Teklord

Edit: Cream filling? I'm supposed to understand this term. Must be something new the youth use these days I'm figuring.

Hint: think "Twinkies" - the RL ones...

-malachi- · Sep 16, 2005, 10:06 PM // 22:06

No no no, I don't get rushed, I play everymission on a team, participating and I don't skip any missions...still getting to desert at around 15-17 and ascending by around 30 or so hours. I was saying that to tell you that if you play the game 'properly' and the 'right' way, you will already be beyond the level restriction for Ascalon Arena when you reach Yak's bend doesn't work as I can get to the desert without help by 15-17.

Teklord · Sep 16, 2005, 10:10 PM // 22:10

Ah, so I didn't get a real answer to my question, I understand. Of course to be honest it wasn't like I was expecting a real answer. Hard to give what doesn't exist I imagine.

Edit: Very well then, I was adding in XP from quests. None the less, something for the greater good needs to be implemented.

-malachi- · Sep 16, 2005, 10:38 PM // 22:38

I agree all the way, its sad that people push people around in the low level areans, I was just trying to point out a flaw a flaw in your math

...but something does seriously need to be done to prevent this stuff from entering the low level arenas. How about the "it removes their armor and gives them presearing armor if they have above the armor in yaks or ascalon" solution?

johnnylange · Sep 16, 2005, 11:05 PM // 23:05

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Originally Posted by Teklord

Edit: Cream filling? I'm supposed to understand this term. Must be something new the youth use these days I'm figuring.

You mean you never saw the old Hostess commercials? "Hey! where's the cream filling!?"

Lebdan · Sep 17, 2005, 05:32 PM // 17:32

/bump

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Originally Posted by zehly

I'm talking about EVIL fun.. I'm talking about:

(1) Ranger -> Punishing Shot
(2) Monk -> Shield of Judgement
(3) Elementalist -> Mind Shock
(4) Warrior -> Cleave
(5) Mesmer -> Energy Drain
(6) Necromancer -> Spiteful Spirit

... not that I've ever done this or anything... PM me for builds.

Now that's not evil :< That's plain mean.