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kyeo138 · Sep 07, 2005, 12:43 PM // 12:43

I agree with the OP too. I ran to droks, but it was my 3rd char, and I just wanted to run through all the missions quick to get skills. I think that's fine, but I like the idea of level-limits on some of the arenas.

You know, I'd even enjoy it if they let you create low-level pvp chars just for those arenas. You'd be limited to only those skills/equipment that's available when you're at that level too, so no elites in the yaks bend/ascalon arenas. I'd enjoy playing as a lvl10 or lvl15 in pvp... would be interesting.

gerb · Sep 07, 2005, 04:47 PM // 16:47

I'm sorry for adding a second side to this argument, i was hoping not to receive insults from you people, however it seems that is all i'll get for looking at it from arenanets point of view.

Me whineing? You are the one complaining, i would be happy seeing the game stay as it is, any balances might be nice. But certainly unneserssary.

Why do you even post if anyone who disagrees with you is to be insulted and ignored?

as for the sarcasm, it's a form of humour. I tried to use it to make me sound less like a whiner but it obviously failed.

I am happy with things as they are, how can this make me a whiner?
You are complaining and asking for change and yet you arnt a whiner?

i'm sorry if you have different opinion to me but that gives you no right to insult me. I have not knowingly insulted you i even added a side note to my post to try to make sure noone was offended.

I think you should consider what you write before you post it.

Also you use sarcasm and rudeness as well, "*gasp* stand a chance in low lvl arenas".

I'm dissapointed.

DrSLUGFly · Sep 07, 2005, 04:58 PM // 16:58

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Originally Posted by gerb

Must do these missions in this order. if 0 then errormsg1
Must have selection of 20 skills in Ascalon arena. if 0 then errormsg2
Must have selection of 40 skills in Yaks Bend arena if 0 then errormsg3
Must have no weapon over 12 max damage in Ascalon Arena if 0 then errormsg1

Must have certain armour to enter if 0 then errormsg1

Though these are sensible solutions, error messages are always annoying... and not in a way that really drives the lesson home.

If you zoned in (unable to equip your only weapon due to level cap, naked and unable to equip your armor due to level cap, minus 3 out of 8 skills because of level cap and unable to equip new ones cuz you're not in town) not only you would learn your lesson... but everyone on your team and everyone taking you on would quickly learn who was the red engine who was too scared to fight on par. And unless you mapped out you'd be the obvious target dieing faster and far more often than any others.

gerb · Sep 07, 2005, 05:02 PM // 17:02

that was intended to be sarcasm as i beleive those rules would ruin the game. just my opinion though.

Sofonisba · Sep 07, 2005, 05:16 PM // 17:16

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Originally Posted by kyeo138

I agree with the OP too. I ran to droks, but it was my 3rd char, and I just wanted to run through all the missions quick to get skills. I think that's fine, but I like the idea of level-limits on some of the arenas.

You know, I'd even enjoy it if they let you create low-level pvp chars just for those arenas. You'd be limited to only those skills/equipment that's available when you're at that level too, so no elites in the yaks bend/ascalon arenas. I'd enjoy playing as a lvl10 or lvl15 in pvp... would be interesting.

I agree with that idea, was tossing it around also. Let there be PvP templates for Ascalon and Shiverpeaks Arenas. Of course they would not include elite skills or max armor, but the reasonable items you would have by then. I also support the idea of a no-faction pre-searing arena.

gerb, I am sorry you feel insulted by folks on this forum. It stems from the frustration of going into the arena as a beginner, hoping to have a fighting chance at one’s own level—only to be ganked (is that the term?). These runners need an edge to win, and when they win, they feel like they are a better player, and tell you so in great flowery language. It is very disheartening, and pretty much make the arena unplayable for some.

Yes, the satisfaction of killing a Droks/elite loser—err, user—is great, when it can be done.

Whenever I say anything about elite-skill users, some people claim that one skill will never make/break a team. If that is so, you wouldn’t miss it too much if it is prohibited in the lower levels, would you?

Elemental Evil · Sep 07, 2005, 05:21 PM // 17:21

Lower level arenas are meant for people to LEARN PvP, not for uber nerbs to mow through noobs. I have ran my last 2 chars to droknars and wouldn't think of going to the lower level arenas now. What challege is it for me? Wow I can beat someone with half my armor ranking...thats impressive.

Bottom line is there needs to be a armor limit for the arenas and allow new players to learn the game. Not everyone has been here since the betas and they need a good starting point. I for one consider taking in high level armor in those arenas, cheap and sad. If it takes that kind of win for you to feel good about your gameplay, you just might suck. IMO

Skills? Yes I do believe you should have a skill limit as well. NO elites for sure and limit the skills to lets say the next 2 missions ahead or something. You don't want to let people get left out because they got one skill in the next town. There should be an easy balance figured out because it seems there are always those who try to find a shortcut. Truely sad to have to program a game around things like this.

Whispering Siren · Sep 07, 2005, 05:51 PM // 17:51

Gerb - I am open to discussing this like adults. Your post did not strike me as such. Discussing pros and cons would be one thing, but to shoot down my argument with sarcasm was, in my opinion, rude. You didnt' even discuss any valid points or invalid points (depending on your opinion). And your only solution to what a lot of us feel is a problem was to run to Droknar's ourself. Obviously, if we wanted to do this, we'd have done it already.

Yes, I answered in sarcasm, my mistake and for that I apologize. I am willing to hear what you have to say and (as I said before) I have no issue with people being run for PvE. Just please, discuss it instead of ridiculing.

jdwoody · Sep 07, 2005, 05:59 PM // 17:59

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Originally Posted by gerb

But if you do want it changed, you could work it through these logic gates...

Must do these missions in this order. if 0 then errormsg1
Must have selection of 20 skills in Ascalon arena. if 0 then errormsg2
Must have selection of 40 skills in Yaks Bend arena if 0 then errormsg3
Must have no weapon over 12 max damage in Ascalon Arena if 0 then errormsg1

Must have certain armour to enter if 0 then errormsg1

Stick with your day job, you won't make it as a programmer. None of your error messages will ever be shown as if 0 is always false...

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i'm sick of all this he ran to droknars stuff. If someone owns you with droknars skills, you go to droknars. Not that hard. I did it once now my air ele is lvl 18

You ran to droknars yourself? Doubtful. You paid someone to run for you? More likely and not everyone can do that.

I think a better solution would be to just look at places you've visited on the map. Once you visit Yak's Bend you lose access to the ascalon arenas, once you hit Lion's Arch or Droknars you lose access to the Yak's Bend and Ascalon arenas. People could still get some additional skills, but at least the armor would still be fair...

If you don't want people to make fun of you, don't be a twink. It's not name calling it's the term that describes what you're doing and has been around for a long time:

http://www.computerhope.com/jargon/t/twink.htm

gerb · Sep 07, 2005, 08:12 PM // 20:12

i wont stick with my day job as i am 15, i paid no one to run me, a guildie offered for free. no one got hurt as i came up against alot of runners. i see no problem. i got 60 consec wins with a non runner in ascalon arena, just because i experiment with the game doent mean im a n00b g4i l00s3r k1d, i did it ONCE, and i only played for about 2 hours in arena then i got bored. As you said, its no challenge. just did it for a while to get even with the other runners.

im not a scammer, i tried the invinci monk build, i try everything for my own reasons.

i handed out about 30 max dmg weapons blue purple an normal for free. Yea it aint much but it cheers alot of people up to have a max dmg fell blade given to them.

and for the lousy programmer bit first i do electronics and BEFORE programming we scetch the circuit in logic gates, IF, AND, OR, those are the main three (negetives are also made) my programming skills are limited to 28-pin PICs (i can do 18 an below of course) i never claimed it to be real programming script, i can only just do HTML and starting JAVA.

I apologise. No more sarcasm. My first post gave the wrong idea.

But i think you guys should apologise as well, you jump to the conclusion that im just a whining bitch (is that word alright here?).

Still i stand by my points and "twinking" doesnt look like a negetive thing. It is tottally situational. Sure i could play in arenas for a 24 hour stretch and ruin everyones day, but i don't.
This board doesnt seem very friendly. But i'll put this one down to my fault. Again, sorry.

jdwoody · Sep 07, 2005, 08:58 PM // 20:58

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Originally Posted by gerb

i paid no one to run me, a guildie offered for free. no one got hurt as i came up against alot of runners. i see no problem.

But your guildmates won't run everyone for free, so you can't say "you go to droknars. Not that hard" Also I don't know how you can say "noone got hurt," people used to enjoy the Ascalon Arena, now they don't. Believe it or not some people either haven't gotten very far in the game or they are just new and the Ascalon Arena is the only place they can realistically go for PvP.

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and for the lousy programmer bit first i do electronics and BEFORE programming we scetch the circuit in logic gates, IF, AND, OR, those are the main three (negetives are also made) my programming skills are limited to 28-pin PICs (i can do 18 an below of course) i never claimed it to be real programming script, i can only just do HTML and starting JAVA.

My comment was tongue in cheek (hence the smiley), but I would like to see an IF gate, it's been a while since I took an EE class, but I remember AND/OR/NOT as the main three...

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This board doesnt seem very friendly.

I think in general it's one of the more congenial boards I've seen, but on any board if you defend people that grief others to stoke their own egos you should expect to get a negative response.

Teklord · Sep 07, 2005, 09:02 PM // 21:02

As with the majority of posters on this thread, it is true that some sort of restrictions / system should be devised and implemented to prevent 'twinkies' (as I like to call them) from playing in the lower level arenas. I consider myself a pretty logical person and I just can't come to terms with any reason that could be remotely considered as logical to allow a twinkie to fight in a lower level arena.

I have no quarrel with allowing running. I have no quarrel with said people bringing back their elite skills, max armor, and max weapons to make the remainder of PvE childishly simple for themselves. That is purely their choice and their right. As with all things, if it doesn't effect anyone else then who am I to care. Bringing twinkies into the Lower Level Arenas does effect others, it is simple fact there are no two ways about it. It needs to be dealt with, swiftly and especially in cases of faction-farming - harshly!

zehly · Sep 07, 2005, 09:33 PM // 21:33

While I agree that this can be unfair, the truth is, sometimes, just for kicks and grins, I would be a little brat and take my level 10 Mesmer into the Ascalon Arena with Illusionary Weaponry or something. But after the match, I always told them I cheated and I was sorry. But I agree... people who do this frequently have, as Freud would say, "ee-shoos."

Lebdan · Sep 08, 2005, 03:21 PM // 15:21

Awesome. With the increased faction and new items, expect to see all kinds of rushers in the arenas. Go faction farming. This is getting on my nerves.

Jhyphi · Sep 08, 2005, 07:48 PM // 19:48

I believe that PVPX didn't have increased faction for the 2 low level arenas. Or at least not enough to warrant fighting there.

Sofonisba · Sep 08, 2005, 07:56 PM // 19:56

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Originally Posted by Jhyphi

I believe that PVPX didn't have increased faction for the 2 low level arenas. Or at least not enough to warrant fighting there.

I sure did... I spent several hours in the Shiverpeaks that weekend, got 8k faction in one day. Had to spend it because I approached the cap of 10k. Was definitely worth it for me!

Jhyphi · Sep 08, 2005, 11:55 PM // 23:55

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Arenas

Unique Kill: 20 in Team/Competition, 10 in Shiverpeaks, 5 in Ascalon

Victory: 25 in Team/Competition, 10 in Shiverpeaks, 5 in Ascalon

Bonus for Five Consecutive Victories: 25 in Team/Competition, 10 in Shiverpeaks, 5 in Ascalon

Bonus for Flawless Victory: 25 in Team/Competition, 10 in Shiverpeaks, 5 in Ascalon

No, it's not worth it. You'd have to double the amount of kills in the same time to make it worthwhile than from competition arena.

Sure you got 8k in that weekend, but you likely would've gotten more if you played competition.

Although, maybe not. If you have to resort to using armor and elites against beginning players to win at PvP, you probably SUCK and couldn't win even in competition arena.

Lebdan · Sep 09, 2005, 01:14 PM // 13:14

Uh, it still happens no matter how much you mock them Jhyphi. Besides, it's not hard to score a kill when you have the upper hand.

Whispering Siren · Sep 09, 2005, 01:23 PM // 13:23

I'm afraid the new faction rewards will only make the problem worse. Then again - maybe that will bring it more attention?? and A.net will notice? and something will be done about it?? Maybe??

I haven't gone into the arenas in a while. Seems pointless.

delfin42 · Sep 09, 2005, 03:01 PM // 15:01

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Originally Posted by jdwoody

I think a better solution would be to just look at places you've visited on the map. Once you visit Yak's Bend you lose access to the ascalon arenas, once you hit Lion's Arch or Droknars you lose access to the Yak's Bend and Ascalon arenas. People could still get some additional skills, but at least the armor would still be fair...

This is the correct answer. It allows players to pump up low-level PvE characters to their hearts' content, while eliminating inappropriate armor and skills from lower-level arenas. If you visit Droknar's, it'd be an implicit declaration that you are ready for advanced competition and thus "above" the early arenas, and a flag would be set prohibiting your entry. Likewise for other mid-range towns with armor-crafters and skill trainers.

Want big-boys armor and skills? Then you're ready to play with the big boys. If your L8 character can't hang with L20s in Competition Arenas, level up quickly with your new toys until you can.

Sofonisba · Sep 09, 2005, 03:15 PM // 15:15

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Originally Posted by Jhyphi

No, it's not worth it. You'd have to double the amount of kills in the same time to make it worthwhile than from competition arena.

Sure you got 8k in that weekend, but you likely would've gotten more if you played competition.

Although, maybe not. If you have to resort to using armor and elites against beginning players to win at PvP, you probably SUCK and couldn't win even in competition arena.

Well, Jyphi - I have made numerous posts railing against elite skills/max armor users in lower-level arenas, and their probable suckiness when they reach Lion's Arch. I would never ever ever run ahead to own in Ascalon/Shiverpeak arenas, not even as an experiment.

I prefer to take advantage of every level of play. I don't have a ranger at level 20, during PvP extreme I spent that time playing her--rangers are super-fun in arena! I don't consider the time wasted one bit, and the faction was a great bonus.

My personal best of 30-game streak was won with a team with no elite skills (that I knew of)--maybe it's me, as you imply, but I have never come close to that in the level 20 arenas.