Curse

hotspur · Sep 03, 2005, 09:59 PM // 21:59

I agree 100%, the other day i meet a lvl8 character, yes i did say 8, in droknars forge, so I asked what he was doing there as he couldnt possibly do any quests/missions.
He replied "I only want the armor so I can go back & kill everyone in the arena".
I then asked "but where is the fun in that"?
He said "I dont like the PvE part so I got my PARENTS to buy me 200k gp (I presume on ebay), so I could get uber, very fast".
Sigh,,,,,,Kids,,,,I forgot it is school holidays here in England.
(I work nights so can only play during the day).

Lebdan · Sep 03, 2005, 10:49 PM // 22:49

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Originally Posted by NiGht_HaWk

I have a better suggestion which i think would work well.

For the Ascalon Arena, make it so that any armor or skills you could possibly unlock from yaks bend on is restricted. For example. If a level 6 had yaks bend armor or better, they would not be allowed into the ascalon arena. Same for skills. If a level 8 ranger had Poison arrow equipped they would not be allowed until they remove that skill from their skill bar.

Same idea for Shiverpeak Arena, the limit there would be lions arch.

etc. etc.

Some may think its too restrictive, since it basically kills all runners by making them make a choice between uber leet armor/skills or arena play. But its the only way to make the arenas equally fair, which is what Anet has been striving to do the whole time: Equality in gameplay.

That's basically the checkpoints idea I mentioned on my first post this thread. Just uh, the checkpoint for Competition Arenas should be Beacon's Perch, because you can get to Droknar's Forge before LA.
And I think even though you can reach Yak's under level 10, I still think it's ok to restrict those from going on Ascalon Arena. It's not hard to get to 12 and get competitive in Shiverpeak's.

Sagius Truthbarron · Sep 03, 2005, 10:55 PM // 22:55

One time I had Mist Form on a level 8.

I don't think anyone really sees the level 1-15 areanas as being that serious. With faction this could get abused, but with random teams and the more than likely chance that everyone on the enemy team will have droknar's armor and elite skills?

I didn't even know any of those areanas existed untill I was level 20 o.o

Lebdan · Sep 03, 2005, 11:15 PM // 23:15

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

One time I had Mist Form on a level 8.

I don't think anyone really sees the level 1-15 areanas as being that serious. With faction this could get abused, but with random teams and the more than likely chance that everyone on the enemy team will have droknar's armor and elite skills?

I didn't even know any of those areanas existed untill I was level 20 o.o

The exact reason it shouldn't be allowed for advanced armors and skills is that. The early arenas are for those low level starting characters. What's the fun you'll find on a game you get owned on the first time you go on PvP because some <censored> rushed accross the game just to 'pwn'.
I think that kind of people should grow up too.

Whispering Siren · Sep 04, 2005, 12:05 AM // 00:05

thanks for all the responses this thread has gotten - glad to know that I'm not the only one that feels this way. Lower level arenas are for learning PvP and learning how to play your specific character, that's impossible when you're killed in a few seconds flat. (I really hate apply poison).

Anyway, keep this thread going, even if it is just to /sign it so A.net can tally up how many of us feel it is a problem that needs to be dealt with.

Seissor · Sep 04, 2005, 02:31 AM // 02:31

Nothing was more BS then when I went into the Ascalon 1-10 lvl PvP arena. Lvl 10 chars with drok armor, max dmg weapons and yes..elite skills. One guy had 3 lvl 10 chars which he uses only in the lvl 10 arena so he can farm for faction points.

So I went and got drok armor and came back, if the group I fought was really lvl 10's I took off most of my armor, if someone had drok or used elite skills, I made them my b!tch.

This probelm also carries over to shiverpeak arena. Most PvP arenas are heavily unbalanced. I dont even play PvP with my PvE char unless they are ascended have drok armor and elite skills. And then its unfair to others when i play in the lions arch arena and encounter a lvl 17 in lions arch armor.

for PvP arenas an armor req would be excellent. but for PvE annoying, i buy drok armor early as its cheaper to buy it first instead of always upgrade.

Iere · Sep 04, 2005, 03:23 AM // 03:23

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Originally Posted by Seissor

for PvP arenas an armor req would be excellent. but for PvE annoying, i buy drok armor early as its cheaper to buy it first instead of always upgrade.

Goodness, I agree.

Going through the game the first time, I didn't really notice the arenas, so I missed out (such a pity

) on Ascalon and Yak's.

Then, I brought my second character, a N/Me, into post-searing.

Went to Ascalon.

Holy...

So you know those smiters, the ones that are the current FotM? My team got one of those against us in the first bout we played. He started off talking big, then fired of Zealot's, shield of judgement, spammed with Zealot's and RoF. No Ether Renewal, but he beat us pretty bad anyways. He was also wearing Drok's. Of course, he bragged at the end.

Needless to say, I only go to Ascalon Arena when I'm at my most masochistic.

I think that a higher limit of armor and skills for PvP would solve the problem in a very nice way. Now if only the devs would agree...

Lil Cooter · Sep 04, 2005, 04:29 AM // 04:29

I agree with your post about unbalanced PvP in low level arena's. Anet says that it doesn't mind running, so to me that means the responsibilities lie with those who get run to areas. It is real simple, those people should be reported and banned for blatantly abusing the system. For anyone who has played "the hard way" running to droks with 2nd, 3rd, or 4th char is cool. Actually, when I did it, I used the missions and quests to make the money and supplies needed, and was getting last piece right when I beat dragon mission, go figure. Plus, if you have never ran it, try it, it is a thrill and extremely fun.

Shin Shadowbane · Sep 04, 2005, 06:40 PM // 18:40

Anet, Gaile Grey, Somebody in charge! Please give us some indication you are listening! This isn't a Nerf this Nerf that thread. Its about a genuine problem and basic Fairness.

What is Anet's position on this? I know earlier you guys said you have no problems with runners...that is why Lornar's Pass is there. You also said that it wasn't a problem for low levels to have Drok's armor....as long as they were not taking that armor and skills and using them in the low level arena's....YOU said you would be watching...

Well, its happening a lot now. My options are to either not do PvP before level 20 or to get a run to Droknars or over to Kryta for better armor and skills...just to be halfway competitive in the low level arena. It is not right. Do you need more proof than all the threads already made on this topic? I have a lot of screenshots of Knights and Platemail Armor and the character's names and levels (all 10 or under) and pics of the poison affect on my team. Just let me know where to send them...I will do the legwork for you to prove there is a lot of PvP abuse in the Low level arena's.

Lebdan · Sep 05, 2005, 01:19 PM // 13:19

Uhm, bringing it back to the first page. This really is an issue and shouldn't be left behind.

Whispering Siren · Sep 05, 2005, 02:06 PM // 14:06

thanks. let's keep this going. any more suggestions about how it could be controlled?

Could we get someone from A.net to acknowlege us maybe? Gaile - I know you're out there!?

DrSLUGFly · Sep 05, 2005, 02:38 PM // 14:38

I feel there's a very simple way it could be controlled... disallow certain armor levels in each arena (zone in and start the fight naked... "wtf???") And also disallow elite skills in the Ascalon Arena and possibly Yak's as well (since you wouldn't have gotten the cap sig yet).

Whispering Siren · Sep 05, 2005, 02:40 PM // 14:40

haha, you just made me laugh. that would be great - start the fight naked. A.net - hear that? PLEASE DO THAT!!! while you're at it - those elite skills they put in (not just elite, but skills from further areas would be nice to limit too) - have blank spots in the skill bar... so they'll learn!?

Lebdan · Sep 07, 2005, 12:31 AM // 00:31

Bringing the topic back to the first page.
It's not like I'd be doing this if they didn't tell you to post about this in the forums when you mail them so they can read the opinion of other players. But it doesn't seem like they're doing much research on the forums. I hope they change something this wednesday, or I'm gonna be seriously upset.

Mavrik · Sep 07, 2005, 12:54 AM // 00:54

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Originally Posted by DrSLUGFly

I feel there's a very simple way it could be controlled... disallow certain armor levels in each arena (zone in and start the fight naked... "wtf???") And also disallow elite skills in the Ascalon Arena and possibly Yak's as well (since you wouldn't have gotten the cap sig yet).

That I so agree with and have been saying myself. People are so concerned about runners getting armor and elite skills and going to the lower arenas, they fail to see the problem is with how the armor is used. Same with the skills.

I have a lv17 Ranger who since lv9 has had Droknar armor and a few elites, poison arrow to be one of them. I've never gone into an arena to battle, so am I hurting anyone? Nope? Am I hurting myself by getting run? Nope... I've gone back and done everything in order, just with better armor and skills.

See the real issue is people going there for droknar armor and going back to arenas. Cap the lv available in armor for each class. Say for example highest armor available for a warrior before yaks is 41 from collectors... then nothing more then 41 allowed on a warrior. Same with skills. It would be simple to know what skills are available up to Yaks and only allow those skills for a warrior at the ascalon arena. How hard would that be? Not very. And it would certainly shut up everyone complaining about getting pwned by noobs in uber armor.

So next on the chopping block... the use of purple and higher weapons in lower arenas.

MaglorD · Sep 07, 2005, 03:03 AM // 03:03

You know maybe the solution is to close the lower level arenas, since Anet finds it too hard to make the necessary changes.

Whispering Siren · Sep 07, 2005, 06:25 AM // 06:25

I agree Mavrik - i dont' care about people who get run, other than those same people using their better skills in lower level arena. (and i don't mean their real skill, but their spells, heh). The higher weapons - that doesn't make as much of a difference, in my opinion. if you meet the req for that weapon, use it.

and i certainly don't think the lower level arenas should be closed. i'd love to go in and play in those (and get a chance to live for more than a few seconds and therefore LEARN). but hey, maybe i'm asking too much.

strcpy · Sep 07, 2005, 08:05 AM // 08:05

Pretty much samething here. At some point I plan on having a char run to Droks (need to get thier legitmatly first, most likely have my warrior run). But no intention of using it in arena's and greatly dilike people who do.

I noticed the random arena when I first made it to post-searing and tried them, it was very late at night and not many people. Had a blast for about 30 minutes or so, then some guy with a flaming sword. I did 0, 0, 0, 1, 0 damage with my bow, when I hit him with a conjure phantasm he immediatly ran up and killed me (dang near killed him). Didn't really know what happened, why I died so quick and why I couldn't damage him, then noticed that the it took him longer to kill the elementalist on my team than me - signifigantly longer. Next round the ele was on the opposing team and I did something like 1-4 damage to her. Eventually figure it out from boards (didn't know you could run to get better armor and skills).

Haven't played PvP since then, can't really play it until you either unlock enough skills to make a useful PvP char (and it takes up a slot) or make it to droks. So I pretty much suck at it. People who sole fun in the game is to grief, or remove other peoples fun, should not be tolerated. As long as you are only effecting yourself (droks armor in beginning in PvE for example) wear it out, only you can decide what is fun.

gerb · Sep 07, 2005, 10:39 AM // 10:39

I did the droknars thing once. with an Ele/Ranger and i played in ascalon arena for about 2 hours got about 500 balthazar grew tired and started doing missions. im now lvl 18 and many people are extremely greatfull to have me in thier team for missions. I don't see it as a problem, if you take away running and such then you make the game more linear.

But if you do want it changed, you could work it through these logic gates...

Must do these missions in this order. if 0 then errormsg1
Must have selection of 20 skills in Ascalon arena. if 0 then errormsg2
Must have selection of 40 skills in Yaks Bend arena if 0 then errormsg3
Must have no weapon over 12 max damage in Ascalon Arena if 0 then errormsg1

Must have certain armour to enter if 0 then errormsg1

Hell maybe even a Must be Warrior/monk with frenzy, sever artery, gash, ress signet, endure pain, orison of healing and mending

Then everyone could have an equal chance GOSH that would be swell

May as well remove dyes and force specific height and faces ect. that would make everyone more equal then remove the obstacles from the map. no higher ground cuz it makes rangers "t3h win"

Maybe remove all colours from the game exept a mild tone of grey replace blue team with circles red team with crosses and develop a "grid" system if you will where you win by placing 3 of your team mates in a line.

obviously take it in turn to see who goes first. Maybe eliminate the score system. Have everyone on the same team. w00t Balancing is fun.

i'm sick of all this he ran to droknars stuff. If someone owns you with droknars skills, you go to droknars. Not that hard. I did it once now my air ele is lvl 18 and can still fight in LA, people who do it do not lose when they no longer have an edge (with the exeption of some very newbie people) it just give you more time to play with the skills, and find decent combo's.

AND PLEASE don't post telling me to get english lessons because my commas are in the wrong place or i missed a capital letter. you are all capable of reading this. Argue with my points, not with my grammer. We are all more mature here than to pick at spelling.

This is not supposed to be a whine or a flame, i am not a runner fanboy i did it once. Too much balancing could ruin the game. Running is available to everyone, complaining about it is like complaining about ure elementalist not being as good of a tank as a warrior.

Anet are doing a good job, i'm sure they will do all they can to level the playing field. BUT i hope it is done very subtley NOT by imposing stupid lvl caps and checkpoints.

YOU CAN TAKE OUR EDGE, BUT YOU'LL NEVER TAKE OUR FREEDOM!!!!

Whispering Siren · Sep 07, 2005, 12:18 PM // 12:18

No one said to take away running or put level caps on armor and skills for PvE - they said to make lower level arenas fair. I could give a crap if you run your characters - I'd rather not run mine, thank you. I'm not forcing you (nor wanting to) to NOT run, you can't say that I SHOULD run - or that that should be the solution. Yes, running is available to everyone (for a price) - that does not in any way mean that everyone wants to do it. If max armor was supposed to be had by all at the beginning of the game, it'd already be there.

Just because we want our lower level characters to actually have *gasp* a chance in the LOWER LEVEL arenas, doesn't mean we want to take away individuality or competition. In fact, leveling the playing field would INCREASE competition.

Just like anyone correcting your spelling and grammar would be "immature" (as you put it) so is confronting us with sarcasm and rudeness as opposed to a mature and thought-out argument and/or discussion.

Grow up. And yes - you are most definitely whining.