Curse

Rayne Nightfyre · Mar 23, 2006, 12:43 AM // 00:43

/signed.

I agree that it's a bit unfair to have to worry about your server having favor to enter the only true challenging places in the game (IMO). It's sad that I hardly ever get to see UW & FoW, because the only times my server(America) has favor is usually very late at night, when I'm unable to be on due to my obligations in life. I hope you guys on the Europe server are having fun!

Kai Nui · Mar 23, 2006, 12:50 AM // 00:50

I would like to assemble teams for UW and FoW that are to clear the place out and stuff, but I can never assemble a team to do so. Everyone wants to just farm, and I want to do the quests. I have never completed a lot of the quests, and I'd like to explore the world there. Oh well...

Stalker Haras · Mar 23, 2006, 01:04 AM // 01:04

/signed

I prefer my PvE over PvP, and dont want PvP to stop me from PvE'ing.

BlackRecluse · Mar 23, 2006, 01:19 AM // 01:19

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Originally Posted by rayne2550

/signed.

I agree that it's a bit unfair to have to worry about your server having favor to enter the only true challenging places in the game (IMO). It's sad that I hardly ever get to see UW & FoW, because the only times my server(America) has favor is usually very late at night, when I'm unable to be on due to my obligations in life. I hope you guys on the Europe server are having fun!

i am :x <3 server switch and favor when i get home

Amsterdam · Mar 23, 2006, 01:27 AM // 01:27

Its called "Guild Wars", not farming for the win. I love playing in fow, and uw. I even have threads about both here on guru. But I don't agree with you at all. The point is for your country to earn the right to play this part of the game, get good at pvp, win halls with your friends, then go rock uw and fissure with them. ...Guild...Wars

Jessyi · Mar 23, 2006, 01:41 AM // 01:41

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/signed a 100,000 times over

The WaW concept is one of the -sorry Anet- dumbest ideas ever implemented in a computer game. PvE players can't influence favor, PvP players don't care for it...

Yeah, exactly what she said. /Signed another tenth of a million times just because this petition needs it.

-Jessyi

Kaly Mason · Mar 23, 2006, 04:21 AM // 04:21

/signed

I shouldnt be limited to go to FoW or UW based on how my server's PvP teams are doing...

I dont PvP and I yes I am happy that I am PvE only.

Mr Slashalot · Mar 23, 2006, 04:36 AM // 04:36

/Not Even Close To Being Signed

UW and FoW are a reward which has to be earned, It also give pvp'ers pride knowing there are helping all you pve'ers wanting to get there.

Plus if you had it all the time it would get bored of it, i myself enjoy PvP and PvE and i love shouting out loud YAY WE HAVE FAVOR. The Reason you all love it so much is because you cant have it all the time, Lets compere it to cake, I LOVE cake but i dont want it all the time because i would be sick of it (after a week and 3 new pant sizes).

All i can say is enjoy it as much while you still favor

Fantus · Mar 23, 2006, 09:36 AM // 09:36

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Originally Posted by Mr Slashalot

UW and FoW are a reward which has to be earned, It also give pvp'ers pride knowing there are helping all you pve'ers wanting to get there.

Yes, it gives PvPers bragging rights and makes them feel superior, to put what you meant in clearer wording (no, I am not bashing PvP players here, I am one myself).

Also if earning favor would even MEAN a reward for PvP players I'd be all for it. I can tell you the earning access to _PvE_ areas is NOT what a PvPer would consider a reward. The WaW system is broken not only because it pisses off three quarters of the Guild Wars planet at a time, but mostly because the people earning the reward don't GET it. If favor would mean PvP players getting more faction points while their territory has it (or more fame or whatever), now THAT would be a reward for PvP players. Can you give me one single reason why a PvP player would even care for favor since it doesn't influence them in the slightest?

Most PvP players don't even care enough for favor to play in their home district. The more serious players are assembling their groups in international districts. Why? Because a PvP player is concerned about getting the best players for their teams, so they chose them from all around the world. You recruit players, not passports, you know? Most teams don't even know which territory they're fighting for until they enter the first combat area.

I love both PvE and PvP. I even like to think that Guild Wars was made for players just like me. But: When I play PvE I am angry that I can't go to UW/FoW and that there is no way to win access to these _PvE_ areas by doing PvE. When I do PvP I am in a position to win that access but not to make use of it when I do so (since I am doing PvP in this moment). The WaW system doesn't make the slightest sense, neither from a PvE view, nor from a PvP view and not even from combined PvP/PvE view. The only reason it's still there is that Anet is obviously not able to admit that it was a huge mistake to include it.

Renegade ++RIP++ · Mar 23, 2006, 11:13 AM // 11:13

/signed

Karlos · Mar 23, 2006, 11:22 PM // 23:22

I am glad most people seem to be in agreement. Many of those disagreeing keep on saying "It's good to limit access to FoW and UW to keep them special and hardcore."

While there are flaws in this argument, I want to make it clear that this is not what the vote is about. If we want limited access to FoW or UW, then we can think of ways to implement that. That is a completely different concept than "we need to tie the high end end parts of the game to PvP."

I can think of different ways to limit access to either realm, but that is not what this petition is about. This is about the annoyance of tying our most beloved PvE areas to a realm we don't even want to play.

My guess is, ANet does not really care about PvE that much these days. I think they have made a decided move towards PvP in Factions. You can't even use the Res shrine straight up for God's sake without "Faction" with some group or another!

art_ · Mar 23, 2006, 11:26 PM // 23:26

I guess one good thing about it is that pve-ers have a reason to take an interest in pvp which may cause them themselves to become serious pvpers.

Karlos · Mar 23, 2006, 11:37 PM // 23:37

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Originally Posted by Mr Slashalot

/Not Even Close To Being Signed

UW and FoW are a reward which has to be earned, It also give pvp'ers pride knowing there are helping all you pve'ers wanting to get there.

Plus if you had it all the time it would get bored of it, i myself enjoy PvP and PvE and i love shouting out loud YAY WE HAVE FAVOR. The Reason you all love it so much is because you cant have it all the time, Lets compere it to cake, I LOVE cake but i dont want it all the time because i would be sick of it (after a week and 3 new pant sizes).

All i can say is enjoy it as much while you still favor

There is an obvious imbalance and you are only supporting it. Let's say you completely clear out the Fissure of Woe, a task that takes a good 4-6 hours depending on your team build and proficieny (if someone's team does it in 30 minutes, no need to brag). It's a monumental undertaking in the game's PvE world. What reward does the game give you? Hmm.. 100k exp? 8 Skill Points? Access to Obisidian Chests (chest runners ftl!)?

Compare this to a "ranger spike" build, or a bunch of IWAY guys who "skip" into the courtyard, get to the Hall of Heroes and even win there (by skill or chance or both). Takes them a good 1 hour. They get: The BEST chest in the game AND fame to raise their rank AND faction to unlock items in the game AND their name is announced to the entire game's world AND they control the fate of the best PvE areas in ALL game territories.

Does that sound logical?

Winning in the Hall of Heroes pays off in terms of PvP in the form of faction points and fame so you can brag about your peni... er... rank emote in front of others. You can screen cap the announcement of "IWAY is not Gay's team has won a battle in the Hall of Heroes and keps the favor of the Gods for Indonesia" and post it in forums.

So, all you are saying is that it is extremely satisfying to hold that kind of edge over PvE players. I am sure it is... I simply think it's stupid.

art_ · Mar 23, 2006, 11:47 PM // 23:47

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Originally Posted by Karlos

"IWAY is not Gay's team has won a battle in the Hall of Heroes and keps the favor of the Gods for Indonesia" and post it in forums.

Indonesia have been holding a lot lately :/

audra · Mar 23, 2006, 11:50 PM // 23:50

There's PvE-only content. There's PvP-only content. And there's content that requires the cooperation of both. That's cool.

Zhou Feng · Mar 24, 2006, 12:14 AM // 00:14

Well then the solution... could be (emphasis on could) be simple. UW and FoW should be accessed by performing some overtly powerful PvE Quest which grants that PvE character an alloted time to enter UW and FoW.

In english:

Character and PUG/Guildies go out and perform some overtly long and complicated quest in SF/Tombs once completed those that participated to the very end get "Favored" by the Gods. This "favor" will last approximately X days. While "favored" a character can enter UW and FoW. This moves the access to PvE but doesnt allow it to get abused.

So what do we PvPers get for our win? Id rather prefer that PvP "favor" grants all PvPers of that same country accelerated Faction/Fame benefits.

In english

Japanese Team wins "favor" in PvP during that time all japanese players get accelerated Faction/Fame when they participate in PvP events. There could also be other "favor" like special arenas available to said country... that would be much more interesting for us PvPers rather then UW and FoW which I haven't ever set foot on cause Im a PvPer...

Also they really really really need to do something about farming if what Im reading is correct: SF and Tombs reduced to farming spots... bleh I might not be a constant PvEr but reducing places to stupid farming spots is dumb. Id prefer that farming be affected by the time spent on a place. The longer peoples character spend on a place the less rares they get there. Force PvErs to do other things rather then just farming jeez......

Zhou Feng · Mar 24, 2006, 12:19 AM // 00:19

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Originally Posted by audra

There's PvE-only content. There's PvP-only content. And there's content that requires the cooperation of both. That's cool.

I believe that can be sorted out in a much better fashion. PvE content controlled by PvP can be annoying to those PvErs out there. Frankly I couldnt care a rat ass because Im a PvPer but I really feel for those PvE people out there. Not to mention if I get bored of PvP (rarely) I play PvE and I can sympathize with what is being said here. I believe some other sort of stuff can be PvE/PvP cooperative but controlling access to the best PvE areas in the hand of PvPers is not down correct. as well as making it harder due to all the other countries being brought in.

Siren · Mar 24, 2006, 02:06 AM // 02:06

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Originally Posted by Mr Slashalot

Lets compare Favor/UW/FoW to cake, I LOVE cake but i dont want it all the time because i would be sick of it (after a week and 3 new pant sizes).

Or compare it to sex.

Or maybe that's a lousy comparison, because I would venture a lot of the people here don't know what sex feels like. lol

icemonkey · Mar 24, 2006, 02:29 AM // 02:29

PvP players go to International districts to get away from IWAY only PvP'ers. You'd be hard pressed to find a balanced PUG in american district 1 but its mostly that in ID 1.. But SHHHHH don't tell the IWAY'ers we like ID1 to have less, although not much less, IWAY team spamming.

Alni Deathstryk · Mar 24, 2006, 05:34 AM // 05:34

i have to say i dont care either way, cuz i stopped trying when i couldnt find a group that worked together.