Curse

Lucius Hyral · Apr 02, 2006, 02:59 AM // 02:59

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Originally Posted by Skarjak

Actually, considering the Japanese have had much of a "warrior spirit" in history, it is perfectly normal for their warriors to be so well known to other cultures.

You can't expect everyone to know everything these is to know about every country on the map. I bet there are tons of things you dont know about Quebec, but you don't see me bitching about it.

But you can be upset when everybody is basing their historical perspective on
naruto or Kenshin.

KvanCetre · Apr 02, 2006, 03:38 AM // 03:38

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Originally Posted by Skarjak

Actually, considering the Japanese have had much of a "warrior spirit" in history, it is perfectly normal for their warriors to be so well known to other cultures.

Yes, no other asian cultures had great legendary warriors. None at all. Especially China. I can say with great honesty that there have been absolutely no books, movies, or game series based off Chinese warriors of the past.

/sarcasm so thick you can swim in it.

Halfthought · Apr 02, 2006, 03:38 AM // 03:38

well there is a armor +10 grim cesta...

Eltargrim · Apr 02, 2006, 04:29 AM // 04:29

You know what really pisses me off?

Assassins are not like ninjas!

A ninja would be more likely to poke you in the eye and run up a tree than go at you with knives! Ninjas were spies, not assassins!

[/rant]

In all seriousness, yes, Japan is not all of Asia; however, it is still included. Samurai are probably the most widely known of all authentic east-Asian warriors, so why not start there and go on?

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Originally Posted by KvanCetre

Give me two examples of Chinese warriors, or warrior styles, that are widely known outside of east Asia. I don't know any; granted, I haven't looked, but that would make me a perfect example of popular culture, wouldn't it?

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Originally Posted by Lucius Hyral

But you can be upset when everybody is basing their historical perspective on
naruto or Kenshin.

Thank you. My biggest complaint is not the classes themselves, but when they're shown as the stereotype portrays them. Historical accuracy ftw!

Skarjak · Apr 02, 2006, 04:41 AM // 04:41

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Originally Posted by KvanCetre

Yes, no other asian cultures had great legendary warriors. None at all. Especially China. I can say with great honesty that there have been absolutely no books, movies, or game series based off Chinese warriors of the past.

/sarcasm so thick you can swim in it.

Honestly man, what is your problem? This thread was merely a suggestion about having sheated weapons and it seems like you're trying your best to turn it into a flamewar. Calm down a little, release your agressivity against something else please.

Also, as Eltagrim said, samurais and ninjas are more a part of popular culture than chinese warriors. And before you reply to this, I'd like you to tell everyone everything you know about the different kinds of warriors there have been in the countries of Africa.

You can't expect people to know everything about the other countries. Japanese warriors have had more popularity, for some reason, and people know them more than the other asian warriors. Don't try to turn this into a political debate.

LightningHell · Apr 02, 2006, 11:10 AM // 11:10

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Originally Posted by Eltargrim

Give me two examples of Chinese warriors, or warrior styles, that are widely known outside of east Asia. I don't know any; granted, I haven't looked, but that would make me a perfect example of popular culture, wouldn't it?

Xiaolin styles (North/South)...they already encompass the Sword, Axe, barehand, spear, pole, ...et cetera.

Barehand, there are Mantis (seven star/southern Mantis), Bagua...

And to name a sword style, Juijien. (Or, Drunken Sword.)

Hmm, I can name a damn lot.

Rancour · Apr 02, 2006, 11:48 AM // 11:48

Not sure how many people will know the ones you name though... ^^

Anyway, I don't have much against the idea of a off-hand sheath but at the same time, I'd much rather have the Devs work on a better plot and new skills than a sheath for my sword.

Lucius Hyral · Apr 02, 2006, 02:30 PM // 14:30

Really though, LOLarity aside, there are plenty of impressive warriors from other asian countries, I mean; mongolians! That's Ghengis Khan man, get some manchus with 4 foot long beards and those kwandao polearms, it'd be wild.

Martian · Apr 02, 2006, 04:40 PM // 16:40

Yay! Go ninjas, wot is the problem everybody seems to have with Oriental warriors! they're way cooler than any bloody archer or magician in my books.

/signedsomuchmyfingersbleed

Prefectus · Apr 02, 2006, 05:37 PM // 17:37

umm...its really a sugestion for a off hand sheath, they were used in combat a lot hehe flame wars

Anraeth · Apr 02, 2006, 09:35 PM // 21:35

I have no problem with letting anet implement these ninja and samuri armors, it would make finding and ignoring idiots before associating yourself with them much easier.

S H I N O B I · Apr 03, 2006, 06:04 AM // 06:04

I guess that's one way of isolating yourself from 80% of the Guildwars population. You're cool.

Prefectus · Apr 03, 2006, 12:52 PM // 12:52

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Originally Posted by Anraeth

I have no problem with letting anet implement these ninja and samuri armors, it would make finding and ignoring idiots before associating yourself with them much easier.

Then why not stop playing all toghther?

Xenrath · Apr 03, 2006, 01:03 PM // 13:03

Europe, USA, Japan, Asia etc. do not exist in Guild Wars (outside of the text used in favour messages) - Tyria is not planet earth

S H I N O B I · Apr 03, 2006, 05:01 PM // 17:01

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Originally Posted by Xenrath

Europe, USA, Japan, Asia etc. do not exist in Guild Wars (outside of the text used in favour messages) - Tyria is not planet earth

Therefore warriors such as Knights, Rangers, etc. should not exist as well then correct? FFXI does not take place in Earth, but despite that, classes like Knight, ranger, thief, SAMURAI, NINJA, and the like still exist... Why not in Tyria?

Tufty · Apr 03, 2006, 05:24 PM // 17:24

I like the idea of having weapons on display in towns and outposts although icy dragons and the fiery counterpart may slow things down a bit. It would be a nice way to show your status I suppose. As for sheath focus items I think that is no bad idea although the sheathing of the blade is really unimportant. I mean we all know asthetically guild wars is far from perfect and the dev time there could be better spent elsewhere. As for new fighting styles. The katana based technique was very disciplined with thousands of individual moves I dont think it would look so good against an unarmed foe like a troll or golem.
As for the class war a samurai was a warrior so no need to argue over that we have warriors so a styled armour cant offend. Ninjas arent so hard to place really as are assasins when you think about it! I mean ninjas spy on people occaisionally bump people off and sneak about the place. Assasins generally travel by night killing single people in a quick effective way and generally when the target dies they are long gone. So how would either of these classes work in an environment where you tend to fight ever increasing numbers of foes!
Dont see the point in everyone flaming everyone else. Nobody ever seems to come out looking intellectual
(my spelling and punctuation are bad I appologise anyone who wants to take the mick do so but it's hardly constructive in the thread. If you spell and punctuate better than me I take my hat off to you but ask yourself 'Can I shoe a horse?')

Akhilleus · Apr 03, 2006, 06:13 PM // 18:13

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Originally Posted by Prefectus

Hey i was thinking that it would be really nice to see the katana get its counter part the iron sheath i think it would give the truest "samuari" look we could get in the world of guildwars this wepon set katana as sword and sheath as shields with a set of Legionnaire armor hopefully the 15k set will have a nice devil samuari look to it.
well tell me what you think

A: for ken its called a scabbard, not a sheath.
B: a "katana" is NOT a full-length sword, this is a very common misconception. a katana is actually a short sword designed for one-handed close-combat, and is more suited as a more defensive sword. a full-length japanese sword is called a "ken" and in some regions "kenpo" leading to the art of swordsmanship being called kenpo-jutsu NOT katana-jutsu. also, the scabbard (unlike in many samurai movies, where they are obviously not using real swords) is not meant as a shield or blocking weapon (the VAST majority were wooden, since an iron seath slowed down the draw), instead when using a katana the offhand is used to grab at limbs, while the sword is used to stab at weakpoints in samurai armor; most notably the armpits, underarm, inside of the thigh, flanks of the neck, the bottom of the chin, and the obliques.
C: the term "legionaire" is by large and far not an eastern term, as it is latin, from "legio" to refer to a military army unit, usually consisting of standardized equipment and training; with numbers varying depending on whether the early, mid or late period of the roman empire.
D: as for the name "assassin" itself...its a persian word (farci), and refers to an ENTIRELY different type of killing provided by that of a ninja, which more closely represent the assassins onf factions.

what is my point?
this is a game, if you want to get a "samurai feel" at least get an accurate one...its fine as is, doesnt need changing.

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Originally Posted by Lucius Hyral

But you can be upset when everybody is basing their historical perspective on
naruto or Kenshin.

couldnt have said it better myself, not a single person who argues for the whole ninja/samurai thing actually knows what the heck they are talking about.

Tufty · Apr 03, 2006, 06:28 PM // 18:28

Bearing in mind all this is for a game where semi naked woman dont die instantly in battle I dont think realism is much of an issue

Prefectus · Apr 03, 2006, 06:33 PM // 18:33

Wow you know its kinda odd i own 8 katanas and some are iron scabbard some are wooden. I will say that most are wooden though.
"the VAST majority were wooden, since an iron seath slowed down the draw"
the draw can be speed up with a iron scabbard if done right.

Akhilleus · Apr 03, 2006, 06:45 PM // 18:45

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Originally Posted by Prefectus

Wow you know its kinda odd i own 8 katanas and some are iron scabbard some are wooden. I will say that most are wooden though.
"the VAST majority were wooden, since an iron seath slowed down the draw"
the draw can be speed up with a iron scabbard if done right.

maybee now it has been changed, but theres a substancial difference between ones created fro movies and modern collectors, and the ones that actually existed during the height of japanese sword production.
and the draw from a top swordsman will always be faster in a wooden scabbard, since with iron you risk ruining the blade if you draw impropperly, such is not the case with wood (an impropper draw on a wooden scabbard would take far mlonger to dull the blade; wheareas a single impropper draw in an iron scabbard will siginifiacntly reduce performance) also, do you own katanas, or ken?
i own 5 ken, 3 katana. my grandfather owns a katana which was actually possessed by a japanese officer during ww2, which becomes mine when he passes.