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Hunter Sharparrow · Apr 19, 2006, 11:39 AM // 11:39

That would be nice Neven

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As someone who is sitting on plenty of gold I would like to see the opportunity remain for those that are new to the game. Shouldn't they also have an equal chance to gather gold to purchase items?

I agree with that as well but the problem is due to anets updates it isn't the case anymore. New comers don't have the same opportunity as those that played from the beginning do. Ah the good ol' day's. One of my favorites was the frozen chests in dreadnoghts drift. Me and my wife would go there with 5 superior salvage kits each and in the run of one hour come out with 30k worth of salvage each and that's selling it to the traders.

lord of shadow · Apr 20, 2006, 04:16 PM // 16:16

just wanted to restate the initial point i was making in this thread, which within two posts turned into an immature "farmers suck i hate j00 farmers ur all noobs" vs "I'm rich so i dont care" flame war

the main argument against farming seem to be "why should i grind just to make the same amount of money as everyone else", the intial idea behind this thread was to suggest more challenging places to farm, rather than "grind"

and WILL YOU STOP TELLING ME NOT TO FARM TROLLS
i dont farm trolls
i have no intention of farming trolls
i dislike troll farming because of the lack of challenge involved.

and just to let everyone know, i dont farm all day, i pvp regularly and am in a gvg guild, i dont have fow armour, nor do i ahve any problem with people that do.

quickmonty · Apr 20, 2006, 04:33 PM // 16:33

Amazing how quickly contraversial subjects degrade into ego battles.

I am in favor of more challenging places to farm, with some better rewards. I think Anet is (to some extent) making current areas more challenging. Case in point: Prophet's Path (along with other areas that aren't as drastic).

I don't farm all day either. Only when guildies don't need help or aren't interested in challenges such as Titan quests of SF quests. Then I farm for a while.

Undivine · Apr 20, 2006, 06:39 PM // 18:39

What I wouldn't mind seeing is all high-level quest rewards get much better, then impliment a few solo or small-team only quests. =) Could even be class-specific. I think that would be fun.

Minus Sign · Apr 20, 2006, 07:52 PM // 19:52

Supposedly, this is all an attempt by Anet to keep the in-game market from crashing. *shakes head* i really don't know anymore.

The only change farming-side change I'd like to see from Anet is for them to un-nerf hencmen and drop rewards. As it stands, it is actually easier for my MONK to kill a mess of mobs than it is for my monk and henchmen. And with henchies, the drops bite.

Honestly, I think that was the stupidest thing Anet ever did, and they've been catching ten different types of hell ever since.

Zhou Feng · Apr 20, 2006, 08:14 PM // 20:14

Im sick and tired of reading threads that say or post almost the same thing. Its really sad...

"Lets nerf farming."
"No lets have more farming!"
"NERF!"
"NOT!"
"NERF!"
"NOT!"
"SOLO"
"TEAM"
blah blah blah

Itd be a lot easier IF IN EVERY outpost or town there was this little icon. When you press the icon a window comes up. This window is a list of everyone in this place:

Character Lvl Profession Interests
Zhou Feng 20 Mo/Me Farming Group
Lord Shizo Zaibatsu 20 Wa/R Questing Solo
Lady Xin Yun Ming 20 Ne/Mo Farming Solo
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etc

This way you can see who are interested in farming solo, group or qeusting solo and/or in group. Then you can invitge them to quest or farm.

Secondly I believe farming should be viable. I have a dream that Guild Wars will reward both Solo Farming and Team Farming but in its own way. Perhaps Team Farming should be for higher level areas (make more of these) with bigger rewards. But I still think Mobs and Maps should be a bit more dynamic so farming can be interesting and challenging.

Third I believe that Quests should be not just more enjoyable but also offer very impressive rewards. Not just XP and Gold rewards but random uncommon to rare rewards including perhaps keys for chests and good loot. So that way you can actually have a good reason to do Quests.

Fourth I believe that Quests should be, perhaps, shareable. So if say I have done a quest but I go with someone doing a quest, I will get auto-flagged and gain access to the quests (This is an optional only suggestion. I saw this similalrly in WoW, but Im unaware how it works there) The gist is that people can redo quests AND GET RANDOM GOOD TO IMMPRESIVE REWARDS! So doing a quest all over again has merit and incentive. "Yo Im doing this quest for the 200th time but Im getting some good stuff! I even got a green!" That way questing will be more viable.

ANd please lets stop with the farming issue. Some people want to farm solo, team or quest. Thats fun for them. I do believe in reducing farming by actually giving incentive to do other stuff (24/7 farming ruins economy unless we get some serious cool cash sinks and cash loops like actionjacks Dungeon Amusement Park) so make Quests BE SOMETHING.

Finally sub arc and sub quests that alter story line in diffrent ways so we dont just have to farm farm farm quest quest quest but also enjoy diffrent story effects.

Reve2uk · Apr 20, 2006, 08:44 PM // 20:44

tbh the main reason i farm with my monk and warroir is for the chanllege, i have completed the game and done everything so y not be able to go farm certain areas to test ur skills and make a bit of money.

also agree with making farming hard but with better rewards, i mean i basicly cleared all of snakes and got one gold :/..... now that took alot of time and wasn't rewarding but it was a chanllege.

on another note i agree that farming has basicly killed UW groups for questing. its so hard to find a group and when u do they normel leave after 30 mins saying the drops aren't good

so as i see it i can farm hard area but get nothing good in partical or go to FoW *yawn*.... or just duo farm UW make money and do the quests >_>

Hunter Sharparrow · Apr 21, 2006, 01:01 AM // 01:01

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tbh the main reason i farm with my monk and warroir is for the chanllege, i have completed the game and done everything so y not be able to go farm certain areas to test ur skills and make a bit of money.

Well if Anet made the mobs more randomized that would certainly give you the challenge you want. If you couldn't predict the enemies location, class and skills then you would have your challenge. Actually it would probably be challenging enough that you would have to have atleast a few henchies. Then you can be challenged with finding skill sets that work well in a group.

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also agree with making farming hard but with better rewards, i mean i basicly cleared all of snakes and got one gold :/..... now that took alot of time and wasn't rewarding but it was a chanllege.

Yeah it's not what it used to be. I think anet made some program changes but I'm not sure. I think it could be a hint from anet.

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so as i see it i can farm hard area but get nothing good in partical or go to FoW *yawn*.... or just duo farm UW make money and do the quests >_>

Sounds like your bored with the game. Don't worry, Factions will be here soon.

Str0b0 · Apr 21, 2006, 02:20 AM // 02:20

I'd like to put out the call here to everyone with the extra cash. If people want to whine about farming I say farm more. Fatten up those bank accounts. Pay high prices for premium goods and sell high too. If anything jack the prices up some more. This economy is just like the real world economy. Money talks. the poeple with the money can swing the economy however they want to. If we want to preserve our way then we need to shut down this pathetic little anti-farming movement with strangling prices. Force a reset if we have to and then drive the prices right back up again. I know for a fact that there are those of us sitting on mass amounts of runes and ecto not to mention gold. We have the choice to either force a reset and then drive it back up with hoarding or dump everything and make the value of gold plummet so fast that it turns into an item based economy like Diablo 2. If all these anti-farming folks want to put pressure on ANet and whine in these threads then we should throw our clout about too.

quickmonty · Apr 21, 2006, 02:24 AM // 02:24

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

I'd like to put out the call here to everyone with the extra cash. If people want to whine about farming I say farm more. Fatten up those bank accounts. Pay high prices for premium goods and sell high too. If anything jack the prices up some more. This economy is just like the real world economy. Money talks. the poeple with the money can swing the economy however they want to. If we want to preserve our way then we need to shut down this pathetic little anti-farming movement with strangling prices. Force a reset if we have to and then drive the prices right back up again. I know for a fact that there are those of us sitting on mass amounts of runes and ecto not to mention gold. We have the choice to either force a reset and then drive it back up with hoarding or dump everything and make the value of gold plummet so fast that it turns into an item based economy like Diablo 2. If all these anti-farming folks want to put pressure on ANet and whine in these threads then we should throw our clout about too.

Give me another week. Waiting for Factions to find a good place to start using my hordes of gold.

Str0b0 · Apr 21, 2006, 02:30 AM // 02:30

I'm pulling my entire guild in on this one. All it would take is the equivalent of a few billion gold getting dumped on the market at once to crash the economy or like I said we can drive it up and wait for a reset then immediately drive it up again and constantly maintain the status quo. This anti-farming nonsense is just sickening and if reasonable discussion won't work then we just use the means we have at our disposal, our cash. they can't shout down our platinum. They can't argue with our gold. They sure as hell don't have the means to fight back. Get your guild in on it. Start smurf accounts so you don't get banned for hording. Put small ammounts scattered amongst multiple accounts and then just wait. If you want tp put your hordes of gold to good use though dump it into player based merchants like rune traders and material traders. Those are the ones that will put a hurting on the economy the most because they are the only variable merchants. All other merchants are money sinks. In general though the more cash that circulates in the economy the higher the inflation rate. Right now most farmers just sit on their loot and don't let it get back into circulation. If we ever dumped all of it at once it would crash everything. We can also artificially inflate prices by sitting on high end goods to increase the rarity if we like. Just remember it's us who has the power here not them.

Undivine · Apr 21, 2006, 03:31 AM // 03:31

I think my discussion was reasonable. You, on the other hand, are quite clearly just being a prick. Ruin the economy? Now who's being unreasonable?

Hunter Sharparrow · Apr 21, 2006, 08:14 PM // 20:14

Don't worry Undivine, anet monitors the economy and if they pulled something like this off anet would do more than just reset they will finally see the source of the problem and create a more extreme solution. They may even use the idea of making it a requirement to have a minimum number of people or henchies in your party to enter combats areas.

Maria The Princess · Apr 21, 2006, 08:22 PM // 20:22

i deleted my 55 monk cuz it got so easy it was boring... would be nice, not to nurf anything, but create in some areas that are Unused, high level mission with rewarding drops and more challenge, like anouther ToPK (cuz its just getting boring with all the rangers who dont have Barage and Pets, yet join B/P groups, it takes forever to find a PUG that can make it to end)

by unsused territoty maby.... east of Hero's Audience (where mountains are bloking passage), waaaay north Kryta or Jungle

quickmonty · Apr 21, 2006, 08:40 PM // 20:40

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Originally Posted by Hunter Sharparrow

Don't worry Undivine, anet monitors the economy and if they pulled something like this off anet would do more than just reset they will finally see the source of the problem and create a more extreme solution. They may even use the idea of making it a requirement to have a minimum number of people or henchies in your party to enter combats areas.

Guess I better get back to my extreme solo farming before Anet shuts it all down.

ROFLMAO

P.S. This thread now qualifies for the Off Topic and Absurd section.

Stockholm · Apr 21, 2006, 10:22 PM // 22:22

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Originally Posted by Hunter Sharparrow

Don't worry Undivine, anet monitors the economy and if they pulled something like this off anet would do more than just reset they will finally see the source of the problem and create a more extreme solution. They may even use the idea of making it a requirement to have a minimum number of people or henchies in your party to enter combats areas.

Hunter you still don't get it!
Nc-Soft would not let Anet do that, they make to much money on all the ppl in certain countrys bying multiple(100's) accounts for farming only, what we think about the economy in game has no effect on the economy at NC-Soft headquarters in Korea. The amount of sold games is what they care about in the end. Do you seriously think they are going to turn down selling X amount of GW to keep a couple of thousend ppl happy. They are likely banning xxx amount of accounts each day knowing that every ban will sell 2 or more copy's of the game. And aslong as ppl can farm they can ban do the math, no monthly fee's(no income) only source of revenu is SOLD GAMES.

Str0b0 · Apr 21, 2006, 10:40 PM // 22:40

All the resets in the world won't be able to shut down the sheer amount of gold that farmers are just sitting on. Not to mention the runes. If anything a reset will simply encourage us to buy up runes at the low reset prices until they jump right back up again. We have the money to do it so why shouldn't we? You people want to whine about it then we fall back on what we have going for us which is our vast reserves of loot. There is nothing they can do to stop farming. Even if they implemented the solo farming code that I've mentioned time and time again all it will do is make guilds like mine band up go farm with a full party and pool our resources like we always do. All you people are really doing is pissing off the one group in this game you really shouldn't piss off. We will survive economic reset after economic reset and as you can see from the current state of the game it takes us only a matter of weeks to drive prices back up to where you will complain. If you think things are bad now wait until farmers start getting together to make your lives really difficult. Seriously man we can swing this whatever way we want. If we want to make Superior Vigors sell for 100K at the merchant we certainly can. We've got the cash to do it. What's more we could do that, they could reset and we could immediately do it again. If you want to keep whining we can make this game impossible for anyone but elite farmers and we can keep it that way continuously. I've got the money to buy new accounts ad inifinitum, you might shut me down for a week but come payday I'll have two more accounts and what's more I'll do it just to spite you people. You guys have pissed me off beyond all reason and right now I'm willing to go through any expense just to make things difficult on people like you. So please keep on talking about how the mighty ANet will step in on your behalf. I'd love to see them do anything we can't undo. Like Stockholm here said every ban they make only sells them two more copies. So why should they fix anything?

Honestly the only thing I can see ANet doing to alleviate this situation is to do what Sony did with Everquest and set up servers for us. Otherwise we're going to sit here on our loot and we're still going to keep the poor people poor while we get richer because that's the way of the world. Is it fair? No but life isn't fair. I don't know why you expect a game that is made so that a company can profit to be fair either. Farmers are probably a huge percentage of their player base and farmers, because of space restrictions are constantly buying new games. So why should they try to shut us down when we make so much damn money for them?

Pandora's box · Apr 21, 2006, 11:17 PM // 23:17

I'm not sure what the Opp wants. Make farming harder and the rewards better? But...
Rewards can't get better because of the balancing system. Or do you mean more yellow/green drops? How whould that help? I mean: What's the difference between 5 farming runs and obtaining that specific green item, or 5 farming runs and buy it from the gold you farmed?

I think the ONLY acceptable reason for making farming even harder than its now, would be to reward it with items with extra bonusses. But that wont happen, will it?

I like farming and yes, I would like to have more yellow and green drops. But with the current lack of variation in stat combinations its quiete useless. So lets start to ask for more combinations. e.g. Why are so many items based on skills they don't 'help'? When I use a rod that halves my healing skills recharge I want it to be based on healing skills only and not on devine favor...

Hunter Sharparrow · Apr 21, 2006, 11:34 PM // 23:34

Do it. Im serious I want to see yas try.

You guys are just pissed because I was right. I proven what I've said while the rest of you just yap with nothing to back up your arguments.

quickmonty · Apr 21, 2006, 11:36 PM // 23:36

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Originally Posted by Hunter Sharparrow

Do it. Im serious I want to see yas try.

You guys are just pissed because I was right. I proven what I've said while the rest of you just yap with nothing to back up your arguments.

Nothing has been proven. We still farm and get richer.