Curse

Zhou Feng · May 02, 2006, 06:50 PM // 18:50

As well as a lot of:
Im pissed off Anet
And other literal translations to Anet doesnt know what they are doing. Correct me if Im wrong at perceiving it.

Zhou Feng · May 02, 2006, 07:00 PM // 19:00

Okay from what I gather what you believe should be done is:

Have the normal party window and two extra ones so you can see your allies. With the new addition to compass you can see whos within range when their names are dimmed, correct? So youd have one usual window with four characters and two more windows beneath that one with all the other allies.

Have some sort of tab in chat called Alliances or sort of so you can communicate with your other allied teams (I suppose TS and Ventrilo can be easily used for your team but not for random allied teams so the chat box may be needed)

Eviance · May 02, 2006, 07:03 PM // 19:03

Is it ok for people to have feelings and feel betrayed? Becuase they expected one thing and got another?
They are pissed off! I cannot blame them - heck if you read some of my previous posts I shout about it - another thread by my husband that Gaile herself responded to and cleared up a matter that also had me pissed.

She appologised for the misunderstanding and so did I.

But people have a right to be mad when something was built up to be one thing, they spent a lot of money for that one thing only for that one thing to no longer be!

Someone else said it best with this: It's like buying a new car and finding out that the engine isn't there but they tell you it is your fault for not looking under the hood....

Who the heck would buy a NEW car expecting it to be missing the engine?

They have a right to be angry and writing to Anet gets you this response: Please post your ideas and opinions on one of the fan sites.

and that is exactly what they are doing. They are of the opinion that they were screwed and pissed for it!

And yes this was the basic idea - but if you recall the first mission in Cantha (the Tyria character first mission) we started out with Mhenlo and Toga in our allie box but only Mhenlo was on our side of the battle - they could put all the rest of the allies in one box but as someone stated maybe they should have another box for pets? But yes this would keep the uber heal party and aegis from keeping the battles from lasting ungodly long.

And yeah about the TS, there is just no way to get a massive TS going at this moment on something like this with no way to chat other than sending whispers to each person -_- We deffinately need a dialogue box of some sort.

derrtyboy69 · May 02, 2006, 07:13 PM // 19:13

My main complaint is the lack of being able to join alone. The only kind of PvP that i can do whenever i feel like it right now is CA, because i need to sit around and find a team anywhere else. So many people liked the 12v12 because it was a chance to have some fast fun in pvp, with objectives rather than just annhilate your oppenents, and on a large scale. So my suggestions:

Penalties for quiters:
A. Take away some of their faction used for skills, unless they are losing by a massive amount (this would be several hundred points, although im too sure if it matters now that 7 control points instantly wins.)

Requirements: Lvl 20, a good amount of health (no 55ers), and a full skills bar.

Mabye if the alliance battles didnt matter for favor, it wouldnt matter. so:

Rewarded Alliance battles: You gain a reward for winning a alliance battle that matters, my problem with my own suggestion however is it would turn into a HA style rank-fest. So how about gold for the winners? Who can complain about getting gold? For pvp! Hell heres a cure to the 15k unlocking in pvp that people bitch about.

Unrewarded alliance battles: There would be these and rewarded alliance battles, so that people could join alone and have FUN.

PS; one last thing, many people bought the game for the fun 12v12 battles, and if anet keeps it the way it is, they can expect their sales to drop massively. Lets not gives us a preview and a different product Anet. It feels like a i bought a ferrari but got a Mercedes: I bought it for the PvP because the PvE was dull in Prophecies, but instead i like the PvE, but ahte the new pvp

Eviance · May 02, 2006, 07:27 PM // 19:27

I also agree about the entering as one thing... So many are saying it won't turn into a rank title fest, but when people in PVE Missions are flashing their rank and shouting Rank 6 so and so lfg! Ya know its all headed there -_-
I was amused at how many people were yelling about being infused as well >_>

People think rank is the only thing that matters and the sad part is that anyone even slightly knowledged at IWAY can farm that rank. It's not that I don't know how to IWAY, I want to gain my rank with the knowledge that I earned it!
My guild brought back the necro spike and now its everywhere! It went pretty good but some of our guildies were new to halls and such and didnt have everything unlocked.... We wrapped if up after a few hours.

Now I walk into HA without my guildies and I have to be a rank 6 to get into a blood spike -_-
It's just sad cause Rank doesn't always mean you are all that great.

My guild follows be these simple rules:
You are only as good as your team.
No question is stupid except the question not asked.
No one is more leet than you, nor are you leet.
If you cannot have fun making the journey to the top it's not worth being there.
And of course as you can tell the Golden Rule is our biggest and best friend an enemy.

If everyone followed the Golden Rule things would be so much nicer ;_;

I guess what I am saying is that I don't know that your reward system is all that great, but you are right when you want the one person enter mode.
There has to be a way to penalize quitters without hurting those who honestly just want to play!

kyro27 · May 02, 2006, 07:27 PM // 19:27

/sign

maybe they should make a rule that if you leave, you cant do another aliance battle untill that one ends

nyxnemesis · May 02, 2006, 07:43 PM // 19:43

/signed

Martian · May 02, 2006, 07:49 PM // 19:49

Is this why they took maximum minions down to 4, cos they were overpowered in FPE? Thats bollox, i love my minion armies, although i do admit they were manic in 12 vs 12.
Why does the minion cap have to affect the whole game?

Misa · May 02, 2006, 07:52 PM // 19:52

/signed.

Eviance · May 02, 2006, 07:54 PM // 19:54

actually hun you get 2free minions for lvl 0 of death
and 1 minion for every 2lvls of death there after - so if you are totally maxed out and have a sup rune you have

2 free
+ 6 (if you stop at lvl 12 atts)
+ 2 more if at lvl 16 with a sup
= 10 minions total!

It's really not so bad - most MMs can deal and there is even a counter for ya so that you know how when you can raise more and such. When not raising well of power is sexy for you, your party, and your minions!

And yes the minion armies were GREATLY overpowered in the FPE!

heheh my fuzzy math fixed I over counted for the last 2 -_-

Crisis54 · May 02, 2006, 10:28 PM // 22:28

/signed

What Anet has done is a travesty.

I was reading a developer interview and he said that so many people were playing 12 v 12 and how much they enjoyed it. Then they go and do this.

Where is the sense?

Tuoba Hturt Eht · May 02, 2006, 11:07 PM // 23:07

If you take a look at the current state of the 12 vs 12 Alliance Battles, you will notice that hardly anyone plays in there.

I believe the reason is quite obvious.

Gale Force · May 02, 2006, 11:10 PM // 23:10

I want the FPE 12v12 to come back.

I saw this coming and still bought factions hoping they wouldn't change the great Alliance Battles we had.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3000396

I won't be buying Chapter 3.

Mad Joe · May 02, 2006, 11:22 PM // 23:22

/signed xBeastx is my guild leader and I fully agree with her....

dry_water · May 03, 2006, 12:10 AM // 00:10

/signed

The only reason why I'm not doing alliance battles that much right now is mostly from the need to form groups. I also miss the randomness where everyone would shout stuff in team chat.

Kieren · May 03, 2006, 12:24 AM // 00:24

Absolutely!!! to everyone that supports the plea to change it back!

We need this change, if anything hopefully it can bring back the old levels of play as well, it sucks so much waiting to get into the missions, and perhaps if everyone was allowed to join in 1's or groups, then that would make less wait times!

Please Anet!!! respond or let us know that changes can or will happen! They are needed desperately!!

Bartuc Galadwor · May 03, 2006, 12:42 AM // 00:42

/signed
It was so much funner when it was random, easy to join and you could actually plan with your team.

Eviance · May 03, 2006, 01:12 AM // 01:12

Thanks for that link Gale Force!

So wait.... all those people that said we asked for it... did they read all the disaproval? I mean I am only to the second page but about 80% of the first page was Do NOT change it!

again on the second page... still this time over 80% of the page says leave it the hell alone?
(on the 5th page does this all change?)

Twicky keeps going on about how it is a joke to serious pvp players - but HA is a joke to me. I take pvp very seriously when I play it and I can lead a team to victory and I managed to do it several times in these alliance battles as well.

had he or she bothered to try and lead these new people who didn't know how to lead or what they were doing he/she would have taught them something and that would have made a world of difference...

Instead he/she left them to be newbs and probably bitched about it in local chat after the loss. No one learns without patience, practice, and a little teaching!
Why can't these idiot elitest see this that once upon a time they themselves were newb! *disgusted*

Yoze29 · May 03, 2006, 01:47 AM // 01:47

/signed

Aeon221 · May 03, 2006, 01:54 AM // 01:54

Come Devs, ha-ers
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside
And it is ragin'.
It'll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'.

... /signed