Curse

seven · May 02, 2006, 10:17 AM // 10:17

/signed.

some suggestions though:

if they can't use the old FPE style of 12 vs. 12 for alliance control purposes,
then at *least* activate the FPE-style battles as another mode without any effect on the kurzick-luxon line.

so players can now choose from:
random 12 vs. 12 *and*
alliance battles 4-4-4

that way, both type of players wins; and anet will satisfy a larger customer base. the "just for fun" players that want a chaotic-fun fest and easy to get in 12 vs. 12 can play the FPE style without affecting...

the territories of serious powergamers that want an organized and tight
groups of 4-4-4. it's seems those who wants the random 12vs.12 doesn't care much about the territories anyway, they just want that fun mode back.

with more options, let the people decide which mode they like to play.

******

both modes still suffer from leavers though,
the deserter punishment suggestion is nice.
though, i prefer the penalty to be harsher, around 30 minutes to 1 hour.
( leave the ones who err=7 though

)

/signed for the deserter punishment to.

Snowman · May 02, 2006, 10:23 AM // 10:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by seven

both modes still suffer from leavers though,
the deserter punishment suggestion in nice.
though, i prefer the penalty to be harsher, around 20-30 minutes.
( leave the ones who err=7 though

)

/signed for the deserter punishment to.

Yes, im still very much up for a leavers punishment.. or rather and much bigger reward for the players who stay behind..

simply divide the factions points between the players who stay behind

Gaile did say that the leaver issue was something they were working on after the FPE, nothing appears to have been done though!.. what happened ANET did you just give up ?

TB_ · May 02, 2006, 10:30 AM // 10:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevin

While playing in RP, I got to the point where I needed Kurzick faction; So I decided to make a PvP character and do some 12 vs 12. I remembered it was rather simple and a great time in FPE.

After only playing 1 match in about an hour I realized something.

1. Its incredibly hard to get into a party when compared to FPE.
2. There are much more Kurzicks then Luxons.
3. There is no communication in game.

My suggestion is to revert to the FPE style.

1. List everyone on your faction.
2. Be able to join as a single member.

100% agree, 1 2 3 or 4 member join was what made alliance battles great. It ment those who hated sitting in the HA waiting for a team to get nothing or a bunch of loser, could now join a 12 member all out war which actualy counted towards something. Its one of the main reasons I purchased factions.

nimloth32 · May 02, 2006, 10:38 AM // 10:38

/signed

i also hope that anet will decrease the bar to win the game which is 500 points..

derrtyboy69 · May 02, 2006, 10:46 AM // 10:46

It still seams to me that the anti-FPE are turning a blind eye to the fun factor. They just take the game too seriously.

Elrond Afil · May 02, 2006, 10:52 AM // 10:52

/signed

Keilious Ahruhk · May 02, 2006, 11:05 AM // 11:05

Oh Jesus... I end on good terms with one person and now another guy comes along. I really don't feel like continuing this, but I will for the sake my honour. :P

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaserLight

Let me put it this way – if YOU were barred, by rank and chosen professions, from playing anything but Random Arenas, would you not be pissed off?

I played in nothing but random arenas for about six months, and then a combination of that and TA for another four. In this month/last month my guild began playing in GvG.
I'm not complaining. Sure, I was a little frustrated that a block of the game was virtually inaccessible to me, but it gave me something to aim for one day.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaserLight

You keep saying this like it’s the answer to world hunger. Let me tell you something, Mr. Ahruhk – finding a good guild is F***ING IMPOSSIBLE. Ninety-nine out of a hundred guilds out there are filled with complete and total morons, and ninety-nine of a hundred of the remaining guilds only recruit people with UAS accounts, r9, and a few thousand hours logged. Second such account highly recommended. In other words, elitist snobs much like yourself! Whee, overly-serious bastards FTW!

Thanks for the insults.
Anyways, my guild consists of close friends from RL, we total about 10, and only 4 of us are online daily. We don't go and recruit random people, we don't even take randoms into our party so as not to but them with "elitism".
The fact is we enjoy playing the game seriously, competitively. I ask that you respect that, just as I respect your carefree attitude towards GW.

The fact of the matter is, the solution IS to get into a good guild. If none fit what you want, make your own.
When I started 10 months ago my guild had only 2 people, gaining one every couple of weeks, and it paid off.
What I don't understand here is that people are complaining about an unreliable ability to get into a party, this isn't very linked to having stupid people in your guild or not, so lets stay on topic.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaserLight

Actually Sparky, it is your problem. First of all because nine hundred pissed-off gamers to one happy gamer is a bad recipe for future chapters.

Can you show me your source on this 900 - 1 ratio? Because I don't think looking at one english speaking board is a very good measure.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaserLight

IT IS YOUR PROBLEM, SPARKY. Because it’s a problem for nine-tenths of the community, and you’re part of the community. As much as I loathe the thought of sharing a game with the likes of you.

Well, that's not very nice, but its once again why we try not to bug the everyday player, since they for the most part probably would just get annoyed like you.
Oh, and once again, where's your source on those numbers?

I'll leave out the rest of your message unless there's something specific you want me to reply to, because the bulk of it seems to just be angry attacks on forum-goers, which doesn't exactly reflect very well on you.

KelvinC · May 02, 2006, 01:45 PM // 13:45

here I see few points:

1. people don't like to wait too long for a group. WE NEED LFG system!

2. fun factor vs serious. Not everyone want to be serious. Many people just want to have fun and forcing them to be serious just scare them off. Currently the serious lovers already got their tomb and GvG why do we need another one?

3. no communication between teams where is the strategy???

TB_ · May 02, 2006, 02:07 PM // 14:07

Its the waiting bit which does it for most. I mean GW is made of alot of tiny guilds with just a few large ones and so the HA, GvG and such is out of the reach of many. I once figured out that if you dont play IWAY in the HA is can take upto an average of 90minutes to get into a team due to the lack of a party system and frankly people being build freaks. Alliance battles simple enter mission no matter if you're in a party or not fixed it. Infact I dont know anyone who didnt consider it the killer feature to get people involved in pvp.

Now the communication between the 3 teams segments, Im not to worried about, as its designed that way to stop uber builds and to start people thinking on their feet.

lyra_song · May 02, 2006, 02:11 PM // 14:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowman

These would be my Suggestions

1] Alow communication between the two other parties of 4

2] Where possible, try to join up teams who are in the same alliance!

Alliance Battles are definatly something that needs to be sorted!.. I know LOADS of people who bought factions JUST for this.

Yes! >_< Damnit Anet, get a PR in here, we are pissed at you for this!

misthero · May 02, 2006, 03:56 PM // 15:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowman

Alliance Battles are definatly something that needs to be sorted!.. I know LOADS of people who bought factions JUST for this.

Yep, I'm one of them, 2 copies, 1 for my girlfriend and 1 Collector Editition for me (and I'm still waiting for CE and have no faction access ATM, just becouse I was trying to suport the good work ANet was doing.

)

Snowman · May 02, 2006, 04:02 PM // 16:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

Yes! >_< Damnit Anet, get a PR in here, we are pissed at you for this!

hmm, I wouldnt say Im pissed off... rather, concerned, maybe a better word.

At the moment ANET are my best friends for giving me the best Birthday present ever!

and for making a Fantastic game.

But by reading this post im sure there are alot of people who are pissed off.

Studio Ghibli · May 02, 2006, 04:06 PM // 16:06

Who is Sparky?

pigdestroyer · May 02, 2006, 04:19 PM // 16:19

people complaining about something they wanted before!!!

this is crazy!!

neocloud · May 02, 2006, 05:50 PM // 17:50

/singed

bring back the old system and fix the problems it had

4 player teams showing allies is great, but i also want to join and press enter mission w/o having to form a party, whats will be next??? show me your HoH rank or you cant play!? why would i want to go and become rank 6 for an allience battle.. just wait and see what forcing parties to form will do...

Zhou Feng · May 02, 2006, 06:11 PM // 18:11

Please... cut Anet some slack damnit. The freakin game just freakin camed out. Give it some time for Anet to do their thing and have some freakin damn patience. Jeez.

neocloud · May 02, 2006, 06:19 PM // 18:19

what is wrong with posting suggestions and petitions? yes the game jsut came out and we are letting thme know what we think of thier changes to 12v12
, how are they going to know any other way?
thats what thier support emails tell us to do anyways.

Zhou Feng · May 02, 2006, 06:35 PM // 18:35

Thing is all I hear is people complain... Anet did this wrong... Anet did that wrong... Thats not a suggestion then thats a complaint.
12 vs 12 doesnt seem correct. A simple

Anet please reconsider implementing the original 12 vs 12 FPE style as it was much more fun but try to fix the following:

a) Text
b) Text
c) Text

Akki · May 02, 2006, 06:43 PM // 18:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zhou Feng

Thing is all I hear is people complain... Anet did this wrong... Anet did that wrong... Thats not a suggestion then thats a complaint.
12 vs 12 doesnt seem correct. A simple

Anet please reconsider implementing the original 12 vs 12 FPE style as it was much more fun but try to fix the following:

a) Text
b) Text
c) Text

Well, just try to look around this thread a bit, you will sure find many suggestions from many players. Even on this very page...

Eviance · May 02, 2006, 06:49 PM // 18:49

pigdestroyer, I think most of us missed the memo >_>

Firstly I never knew that anyone was against it and it's only when people don't like something that they speak out - so you cannot say that those posting in here to bring it back ASKED FOR IT! I doubt that any of those protesting the current change signed a petition for it to be "fixed" in anyway.

And as for whoever it was that said "You knew they were changing it to this!"

Again did you send out the memo? Cause ya missed quite a few people, myself included. Had I known it was changing to this I would not have purchased Factions as I am sure many others wouldn't have either.

A lack of communication makes for some very unhappy people! (this is what people are complaining to Anet about Zhou Feng)

(I feel like stabbing myself in the foot for bringing this up but I am going to.)

For those of you who are going on about heal party and aegis there is a simple solution that does not butcher the whole darn thing!
Make the other 8 people appear as ALLIES! (and I think had Warskull bothered to read that I had stated this before, he likely wouldn't have claimed me to be so stupid ;_; aww did I disapoint you? oh well).

This way monks can go in without being COMPLETELY USELESS to the party.

For those of you going on about the chaos and chickens with their heads cut off I have this to say ... and please I really only want to bring it up one last time - so for goodness sakes like the ettin post BACKREAD yeah?

It was chaos cause it was NEW! A lot of people got invites to join in the fun temporarily! A lot of people didn't know what to do, I grabbed the reins a couple of times and lead our party to victory or at least from complete loss (coming up from a 200pt defecit to only lose by 9 is far better than losing the whole kitandkaboodle by 300pts - which happened on many occassions cause no one would take charge or the person that did would lead baddly - or people at first just failed to listen). - I like bad grammar and crazy run-ons leave me be =P -

Before it was over though I was seeing mass coordination of attacks and strategic takeover.... Besides there is nothing like trapping your enemies warp portal >_>
The second level being so much harder than the first FORCED people to make strategic plays - It was finally coming around for those who had never played just how to get by in that game and do some good - when it ended. Now it's this: No chance for the newb and no coordination with the full 12 team.

This is what we are upset about.