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Lex Talionis · May 23, 2006, 12:49 PM // 12:49

Good idea. But now that they're finding new ways for those not in an alliance controlling cavalon/hzh to access the elite missions, i'd hold on to the luxon totems/kurzick equipment requisitions. I got plenty of them + not having to pay 1.5k for those elite mission keys is something i'm happy about.

So /signed for trading them to get kurzick/luxon faction
/not signed for trading them in to get skill points (too ez to get skill points)

Tuoba Hturt Eht · May 25, 2006, 02:14 AM // 02:14

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Originally Posted by Lex Talionis

/not signed for trading them in to get skill points (too ez to get skill points)

"too ez to get skill points"

1) 1 for (salvage kit, dye remover, ale etc)
Based on what you said,
"not signed for trading them in to get skill points b'cos its too ez to get skill points"
Given the current situation, we can trade in one (1) of them in exchange for one (1)
- Normal Savage Kit
- Dye Remover
- Ale
These 3 items can be "easily" acquired with gold, based on what you wrote, should not these items be not "exchangable" since they are even "more easier" to acquire?

As for how much Kurzick / Luxon Faction the Equipment Requisition / Luxon Totems can be traded in for, I propose that the figure be at least 400 Kurzick / Luxon Faction.

Tuoba Hturt Eht · May 27, 2006, 12:54 AM // 00:54

Thread revival, because I still think there could be much better use for these items, and this thread is simply not receiving enough feedback from the public, perhaps the title needs to be changed?

Tuoba Hturt Eht · May 29, 2006, 02:34 AM // 02:34

New idea to add to this topic:

We have Kurzick, Luxon factions which we earn from completing quests, fighting for Kurzick, Luxon etc.

These Kurzick, Luxon factions can be used to redeem Amber Chunks, Jadite Shards or be donated towards Alliance Faction, and be used to control Kurzick , Luxon towns or outposts.

I propose an Imperial (Cantha) Faction, which can be earned from doing "Imperial quests", i.e: Quests in Cantha which gives you an Imperial Commendation as a reward also rewards you with a decent amount of Imperial Faction.

What will this new "Imperial (Cantha) Faction" be used for?
Possible uses would be for control of Canthan towns and outposts, challenge missions etc in return for cheaper merchant prices, fireworks masters etc.

It is probably not a good idea, but I figured that at least adding a new idea to this thread is better than just a single line of text which reads "Thread revival".

samifly · May 29, 2006, 02:50 AM // 02:50

If you can turn in amber into faction, you can have a massive dumping. people will store up faction (in amber) and then convert it all at once.

Tuoba Hturt Eht · May 29, 2006, 03:01 AM // 03:01

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Originally Posted by samifly

If you can turn in amber into faction, you can have a massive dumping. people will store up faction (in amber) and then convert it all at once.

Aye, mate. But I did not mention anything about "turning amber into faction" anywhere in this thread.

I did mention something about "turning Equipment Requisition into Kurzick Faction" though.

However, I understand your concern, and that issue did cross my mind before.

At the moment, Equipment Requisitions can only be acquired from Kurzick quest rewards, and some repeatable Kurzick quests. It would take quite a long time for anyone to stock up to massive amounts of Equipment Requisition, and if they have accomplished that, I believe that would have a right to perform a "massive dumping" and have chance to hold the towns for a couple of days before they lose control again.

ManadartheHealer · May 29, 2006, 04:10 AM // 04:10

Finally, a real use for these quest rewards

/signed and /signed

pappayaponta · May 29, 2006, 05:37 AM // 05:37

/signed, I like it all ;D

Tuoba Hturt Eht · Jun 01, 2006, 03:14 AM // 03:14

Aye, I am glad that there are some support for this idea after all.

I have added the "Imperial Faction (Cantha Faction)" idea to the original post of this thread.

Hmmm, if the feedback is bad I might as well discard it and continue with the 2 original ideas.

If anyone disagrees with what is suggested in this thread, you are welcome to "argue" with me, but let's keep it civil aye?

Cheers.

Tuoba Hturt Eht · Jun 05, 2006, 01:23 AM // 01:23

Added:

Reference Threads:
06-04-2006 | generik | Giving totems/requisitions for victories in Fort Asphenwood and other battles?

In other words, Equipment Requisition and Luxon Totems ought to be given out as rewards to the victorious team in Fort Aspenwood, Jade Quarry and Alliance Battles as well.

These Equipment Requisition and Luxon Totems can then be exchanged for Kurzick or Luxon Faction.

Being able to acquire E. Requisition and L.Totems from winning the battles in Fort Aspenwood and Jade Quarry also means that the rewards in those competitve missions are slightly increased.
Various suggestions to improve Fort Aspenwood and Jade Quarry

Tuoba Hturt Eht · Jun 08, 2006, 01:22 AM // 01:22

Added two more threads to the reference threads list I recently came accross in The Riverside Inn.

Decided to bump this thread since I saw a thread in The Riverside Inn having a hot discussion about skills and the 1,000 gold cost of learning a new skill.

eudas · Jun 08, 2006, 03:02 PM // 15:02

i think you're overreacting, and i think that your proposals are poorly thought out. the system is fine as-is.

however, i do think that questing for skills is more fun, and ch2 needs more skills quests like ch1 had. some of the most fun ive had in ch2 so far was the tests given by Instructor Ng to get new skills and meet various success-criteria.

eudas

Tuoba Hturt Eht · Jun 09, 2006, 03:38 AM // 03:38

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i think you're overreacting,

I am not happy by the fact that I need to spend 1,000 gold for almost every new skill in Cantha.

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and i think that your proposals are poorly thought out. the system is fine as-is.

I have revised the post, discarded redundant ideas, how are the proposed ideas now?

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however, i do think that questing for skills is more fun, and ch2 needs more skills quests like ch1 had. some of the most fun ive had in ch2 so far was the tests given by Instructor Ng to get new skills and meet various success-criteria.

Agreed. But sadly once we leave Shing Jea Monastry, such skill quests ceased to exist.

I am proposing an alternative means for players to learn skills and acquire Signets of Capture.

oljomo · Jun 10, 2006, 04:25 PM // 16:25

Hi

Um dont 5 tokens etc = 1 skill anyway?

Trade for superior salvage kit, sell to merchant, wow you just got yourself 1k, which =1 skill :O

With the insane amount of experiance you get in canthat, i think this is amuch better option.

oljomo

fallot · Jun 10, 2006, 05:37 PM // 17:37

Tyrian characters can play most Canthan primary quests and missions. These award a lot of skill points, experience and a reasonable amount of gold. However, Canthan characters do not have similar access to skill quests from Tyria, isn't this imbalanced ?

Dead Lord Kursor · Jun 10, 2006, 10:51 PM // 22:51

Yes to all.
I don't really like the new PvP things that give you faction, so I generally do the quests and end up with some faction and a useless requisition as I generally already have everything the quartermasters can givve me.

Joh · Jun 11, 2006, 01:21 AM // 01:21

Put me up on No on the first 2. I'm staying neutral on the 3rd.

First one: Skill points aren't really a problem nowadays. I usually end up getting too many instead, though I wouldn't mind cheap skills of course. But this way, people would just buy Monastery Credits for 100~150g and never pay more for skills.

Second one: Can you say Faction Farmers? This would mean the richest alliance will get Cavalon/House zu Heltzer.

Third one: No thoughts really, so neutral.

Tuoba Hturt Eht · Jun 11, 2006, 10:38 AM // 10:38

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Originally Posted by oljomo

Um dont 5 tokens etc = 1 skill anyway?

Trade for superior salvage kit, sell to merchant, wow you just got yourself 1k, which =1 skill :O

With the insane amount of experiance you get in canthat, i think this is amuch better option.

Ya, I have thought of this as well.
I suppose this is the only alternative we get until ANET makes some changes.

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Originally Posted by fallot

Tyrian characters can play most Canthan primary quests and missions. These award a lot of skill points, experience and a reasonable amount of gold. However, Canthan characters do not have similar access to skill quests from Tyria, isn't this imbalanced ?

A lot of people does not seem to mind this "minor" issue and think this is pretty "balanced".

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Originally Posted by Joh

First one: Skill points aren't really a problem nowadays. I usually end up getting too many instead, though I wouldn't mind cheap skills of course. But this way, people would just buy Monastery Credits for 100~150g and never pay more for skills.

Do we need to pay anything for the skills we earned in Tyria?

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Second one: Can you say Faction Farmers?

Can you say "unrepeatable quests" that cannot be "farmed"? To my knowledge, there is ony one "repeatable" quest which offers one token as a reward, the Luxon's one will require you to kill multiple squads of Kurzick scouts.

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This would mean the richest alliance will get Cavalon/House zu Heltzer.

The "Richest Alliance" already own Cavalon or House Zu Heltzer.
Imagine how many Jadite or Amber they can redeem with those millions of factions.

Joh · Jun 11, 2006, 06:30 PM // 18:30

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Originally Posted by Tuoba Hturt Eht

Do we need to pay anything for the skills we earned in Tyria?

It depends on how we get them. Either way they ways you get skills really can't be compared Cantha/Tyria. In Cantha, you get a skillpoint and gold for practically every quest you do. In Tyria, you get skills. In Cantha, you can basically pick your own skill rewards from the skill trader with the skill points and gold received as real rewards. In Tyria, you get what you get. My point still remains though. Now the max amount you pay for skills at the skill trader is 1k. If point one goes through, people will just end up buying tokens instead, keeping the max amount to pay down at 100~150g, thus giving us way too cheap skills (including Signets of Capture).

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Originally Posted by Tuoba Hturt Eht

Can you say "unrepeatable quests" that cannot be "farmed"? To my knowledge, there is ony one "repeatable" quest which offers one token as a reward, the Luxon's one will require you to kill multiple squads of Kurzick scouts.

I think you misunderstood my point. I meant faction farmers won't even need to farm factions any more if point 2 goes through. They just sit in Cavalon/House zu Heltzer all day long spamming "WTB Equipment Requisition/Luxon Totems", and then just trade them in for faction. Which leads me to;

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Originally Posted by Tuoba Hturt Eht

The "Richest Alliance" already own Cavalon or House Zu Heltzer.
Imagine how many Jadite or Amber they can redeem with those millions of factions.

I thought they used their faction to purchase the outposts. Not to get Jadeites/Ambers. That's not the point though. If for some reason which I currently can't figure out, they would get richer for holding Cavalon/House zu Heltzer, they are in the richest alliance due to faction farming. My point was kinda related to my previous point. People would just buy Equipment Requisitions/Luxon Totems, instead of farm for faction, so they would get the outposts as a result of being rich, not get rich as a result of farming factions. Slight difference. Though I'm really against both faction farming and the richest alliance "buying" outposts, I'd prefer faction farming since that actually requires work.

On another note though, I love how you bash at peoples' points just cause they don't agree.

edit: And I believe I said I voted no on the first two, which means it would be most correct as a vote if my vote got added to the first post. Neutral on third.

Tuoba Hturt Eht · Jun 12, 2006, 03:16 AM // 03:16

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Originally Posted by Joh

If point one goes through, people will just end up buying tokens instead, keeping the max amount to pay down at 100~150g, thus giving us way too cheap skills (including Signets of Capture).

5 tokens can be exchanged for one Superior Salvage Kit worth 2,000 gold which can be sold to any NPC Merchant for 1,000 gold.
Please explain how "the max amount to pay down" would be kept at 100 ~ 150 gold?

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I think you misunderstood my point. I meant faction farmers won't even need to farm factions any more if point 2 goes through. They just sit in Cavalon/House zu Heltzer all day long spamming "WTB Equipment Requisition/Luxon Totems", and then just trade them in for faction. Which leads me to;

If players can exchange ER and LT for Kurzick / Luxon faction, why would they sell them to other players? It would be much profitable to exchange them into faction and donate to their own alliance, or redeem Ambers or Jadites for themselves.

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I thought they used their faction to purchase the outposts.

Yes, this is correct.

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Not to get Jadeites/Ambers.

If they did not donate their factions to their alliance to "purchase the outposts", the other usage for factions would be to redeem them for Jadites or Ambers.

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If for some reason which I currently can't figure out, they would get richer for holding Cavalon/House zu Heltzer, they are in the richest alliance due to faction farming.

Mate, I think you misunderstood what i meant when I wrote this:
The "Richest Alliance" already own Cavalon or House Zu Heltzer.
Imagine how many Jadite or Amber they can redeem with those millions of factions.

What I was trying to imply was, if these alliance did not donate their factions to their alliance, but instead redeem those factions for Amber or Jadites for their personal usage, they would have been rich instead.
But since they choosed to donate those factions and hence they control those outposts instead of being "rich".

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People would just buy Equipment Requisitions/Luxon Totems, instead of farm for faction, so they would get the outposts as a result of being rich, not get rich as a result of farming factions.

Question, why would people sell ER or LT when they can exchange the ER and LT for factions for themselves?

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On another note though, I love how you bash at peoples' points just cause they don't agree.

I have spent time and effort in coming up with the post, revising it, updating it.
I do believe I have the right to "defend" it, aye.

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edit: And I believe I said I voted no on the first two, which means it would be most correct as a vote if my vote got added to the first post. Neutral on third.

Sorry about that, mate.
I have updated the post.

Anyway, I have some ideas to contribute to this thread:

1. Exchange E. Requisition / L. Totems for Amber Chunk / Jadite Shard
Four (4) ER / LT for one (1) Amber / Jadite

2. Exchanged "Tokens" for gold
Each token can be exchanged for 400 gold.

What do you think of these then?