Curse

Tuoba Hturt Eht · May 04, 2006, 10:51 AM // 10:51

Reference Threads:
06-12-2006 | Sevanyr | Balthazar Faction Based Titles
06-02-2006 | Retribution | New Title based on Faction w/Balthazar
05-08-2006 | bilateralrope | Give Balthazar faction from Alliance battles
02-26-2006 | d3kst3r | /faction emote
03-02-2006 | WoofWoof | Faction to Gold
01-08-2006 | Wrath of m0o | Does your Faction Freeze when you unlock everything ?
12-11-2005 | The Muffen Man | The Faction Cap Needs To Be Removed
12-11-2005 | Hiryu | Faction Conversion System for PvE Items
11-26-2005 | thetrojansheep | Faction Change: Please Read and Comment
11-11-2005 | muelon | Faction = Garbage
09-22-2005 | Asplode | Things to do with Faction
09-08-2005 | Rey Lentless | Do Something w/ capped faction
07-17-2005 | Schorny | faction limit :/

1a. Balthazar's Faction & Obsidian Shards
- Use Balthazar's Faction to redeem Obsedian Shards
- Only redeemable in Fissure of Woe

Why?
- Obsedian Shards are found in Fissure of Fow
- Fissure of Fow is domain of Balthazar
- Those who unlocked everything can continue to earn Balthazar's faction
- Bridge the gap between PvE and PvP

NOTE: This is an alternative method to acquire Obsidian Shards, not a replacement.

1b. Balthazar's Faction & Balthazar's Platinium Bars, Diamond Bars
- 1,000 Balthazar's Faction for one (1) Balthazar's Platinium Bar
- 10,000 Balthazar's Faction for one (1) Balthazar's Diamond Bar
- Redeemable in any PvP Outpost
- one (1) Balthazar's Platinium Bar can be sold to any merchant for 1,000 gold
- one (1) Balthazar's Diamond Bar can be sold to any merchant for 10,000 gold
- Balthazar's Platinium & Diamond Bars can be stacked like other stackable items, to a maximum of 250 per stack
- An alternative for those who do not wish to venture forth into the Fissure of Woe

Why?
To allow players who:
- have already unlocked everything continue to earn Balthazar's Faction
- do PvP regulary to earn gold doing what they love doing - PvP

2. Balthazar's & Grenth's Titles
Allow players to gain titles based on how many factions they have earned with:
- Balthazar
- Grenth

For example, redeemed:
- 100,000 Balthazar faction : Balthazar's Footman
- 200,000 Balthazar faciton : Balthazar's Squire
- 500,000 Balthazar faciton : Balthazar's Knight

- 100,000 Grenth's faction : Grenth's Apprentice
- 200,000 Grenth's faction : Grenth's Scribe
- 500,000 Grenth's faction : Grenth's Reaper (idea contributed by Spoony)

(name of titles and numbers are used as an example, do feel free to come up with better names and figures)

3. Grenth's Faction
- Grenth's Faction be added
- Grenth's faction can be used to redeem Globs of Ectoplasm.
- Only redeemable in the Underworld

Why?
- Globs of Ectoplasm drops in Underworld
- Underworld is domain of Grenth
- Promote players to venture forth into the Underworld as a team to complete quests

How to earn Grenth's faction?
- all the quests available in the Underworld

Polls:
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Do you like these ideas and wish to see them implemented? Yes / No

1a. Able to use Balthazar's Faction to redeem Obsedian Shards
Yes (9)
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Tuoba Hturt Eht, Replicant, Dougal Kronik, Gonzo, Undivine, Spoony, pah01, pappayaponta, Redly

No (3)
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Thom Bangalter, Terra Xin, Blitzy

1b. Balthazar's Faction & Balthazar's Platinium Bars
Yes (4)
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Tuoba Hturt Eht, pah01, pappayaponta, Redly

No (0)
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2. Earn titles based on amount of Balthazar's & Grenth's Faction redeemed
Yes (13)
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Tuoba Hturt Eht, Replicant, Terra Xin, Dougal Kronik, Gonzo, Blitzy, Mister Muhkuh, Undivine, Spoony, pah01, pappayaponta, WasAGuest, Redly

No (1)
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Thom Bangalter

3. Addition of Grenth's Faction
Yes (8)
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Tuoba Hturt Eht, Replicant, Dougal Kronik, Gonzo, Undivine, Spoony, pah01, pappayaponta

No (4)
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Thom Bangalter, Terra Xin, Evilsod, Blitzy

Thom Bangalter · May 04, 2006, 10:58 AM // 10:58

um, balthazar's faction is for unlocking skills and items for pvp. which makes sense, because the only way you can get it is through pvp.

so...bad idea.

this whole thing is just some sort of bad dream. My brain kind of hurts trying to digest this all.

Grenth's faction: how do we earn that? doing underworld quests? UW=PVE. and pve rewards=experience.

Put me down for a no on every option.

Skuld · May 04, 2006, 11:06 AM // 11:06

incase you haven't noticed, balthazar's faction is for unlocking skills & upgrades..

Replicant · May 04, 2006, 11:12 AM // 11:12

what he means is what happens when you completly cap out on Balthazar Faction... meaning.. Unlocked EVERY skill and EVERY Weapon Upgrade.. then theres no more point for Balthazar Faction. and could also give PvP'ers a source of income besides having a PvE Character to go farming with. would also give hardcore PvE'ers like me a reason to PvP (i've got 10,000 tanked up of all 3 factions but 4 PvE characters so no need to unlock stuff)

The Cost of the Items would have to be high though, but not too high to discourage people from doing it.

1. Faction
1. Yes
2. Yes

2. Titles
1. Yes
2. Yes - Don't see why that isn't implemented already

3. Faction - Greneth
1. Yes
2. Yes - As long it can't be farmed too extensivly

Tuoba Hturt Eht · May 04, 2006, 04:40 PM // 16:40

So now, we have 2 people who disagrees while 1 person who agrees.

Where are the rest of the players who have maxed out their slots with PvE characters, PvP with those PvE characters and is unable to reap the benefits of Balthazar's faction?

Surely they must have something to comment regarding the first proposed idea.

Terra Xin · May 04, 2006, 04:48 PM // 16:48

1) Balthazar is no longer needed for PvPers with everything unocked. What are they gonna do with shards? No, and no

2)eh... yes, and yes

3)farming catastrophe. no, no.

Evilsod · May 04, 2006, 05:10 PM // 17:10

As said before, Balthazaar is for PvP rewards. Also Jadite and Amber are for the 15k sets, not the FoW equivilant like Obsidian Shards are.

Titles for faction gained for Luxon/Kurzick could work though, it would give another purpose to toiling for hours over 12vs12 battles other than the joy of them. Could help reduce leavers as you need to be there at the end to get the faction, although that could also promote AFKs...

Faction for Grenth, just no.

Dougal Kronik · May 04, 2006, 05:52 PM // 17:52

Yes to everything!

And I would add that remove Balthazar's Faction from the PvP area and replace it with Guild (or some other non-linked name) Faction for unlocking skills and items for PvP.

Have the Faction of each individual diety allow the trade for items that drop in their domain. And the accumulation of diety Faction from the quests in each respective domain.

Tuoba Hturt Eht · May 05, 2006, 01:01 AM // 01:01

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Originally Posted by Terra Xin

1) Balthazar is no longer needed for PvPers with everything unocked. What are they gonna do with shards? No, and no

Why should Balthazar's faction be only limited to PvP unlocks? What are they gonna do with shards? Sell them for gold, horde them for Obsedian Armor etc.

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3)farming catastrophe. no, no.

How is "playing the game it is intended to play" a "farming casstrophe"? Are you implying that all the repeatable quests in the Underworld can be 55hp monk solo farmed?

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

As said before, Balthazaar is for PvP rewards. Also Jadite and Amber are for the 15k sets, not the FoW equivilant like Obsidian Shards are.

Yes, that is correct, at the moment. But what's stopping ANET from implementing more features to Guild Wars?

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Faction for Grenth, just no.

What's wrong with that? It will actually encourage players to actually "play the game that it is intended to be played". People will actually do the quests in the Underworld instead of SS necro and 55hp monk 2 man team farming endless for Ectos over and over again.

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Originally Posted by Dougal Kronik

And I would add that remove Balthazar's Faction from the PvP area and replace it with Guild (or some other non-linked name) Faction for unlocking skills and items for PvP.

Have the Faction of each individual diety allow the trade for items that drop in their domain. And the accumulation of diety Faction from the quests in each respective domain.

That's a good idea, mate.
I will edit the original post to add in your proposal.

Since earlier I suggested that Underworld quests rewards Grenth faction, then might as well make it that Fissure of Foe quests rewards Balthazar's faction.

Dr Strangelove · May 05, 2006, 01:09 AM // 01:09

Actually, I like all these idea. Giving faction for quests in the gods' realms would mean there would no longer be a benefit to entering with a smaller party.

HawkofStorms · May 05, 2006, 02:24 AM // 02:24

No! Just cause you all want FoW for cheap doesn't mean that a.net should let you get it.

Tuoba Hturt Eht · May 05, 2006, 03:12 AM // 03:12

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Just cause you all want FoW for cheap doesn't mean that a.net should let you get it.

Do you meant to say:
"Just cause you all want the Obsedian Armor for cheap"?

First of all, I never mentioned that I wanted the Obsedian Armor.
I was merely suggesting new ideas that could improve the overall gaming experience of Guild Wars.

And, regarding the price of the Obsedian Armor, take a look at the current prices of Globs of Ectoplasm and Obsedian Shards. The prices have already dropped quite drastically. 5.5k for a Glob of Ectoplasm.

Regarding the proposed idea to introduce "Grenth's Faction" was to make the quests in Underworld more appealing to PvE players.

Experience as a rewards for PvE characters is only one type of reward, others may include:
- gold
- crafting materials
- items
- armor
- etc

The proposed idea is to:
Allow players to earn Balthazar's or Grenth's Factions by completing the various quests in:
- Fissure of Woe
- Underworld

Allow players to use those earned factions to redeem Obsedian Shards or Globs of Ectoplasm.

In such a scenario, there would be much more incentive to form teams to complete quests in either Fissure of Woe or The Underworld, players would not feel deprived of good drops from the monsters killed, since everyone would receive faction rewards when the team completes a quest.

Advantages:
- more incentive to form a full party to complete quests faster
- everyone gets rewarded for completing quests

Those who oppose this idea, please tell me what is wrong with this idea?
I believe those who oppose this idea are those farmers, main speaking:
- 55 health Monks
- Spiteful Spirit Necromancers

Where is the rest of the community?
The title of this thread is not attractive enough?
Perhaps a better name for the title of this thread is required.

HawkofStorms · May 05, 2006, 03:25 AM // 03:25

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Originally Posted by Tuoba Hturt Eht

First of all, I never mentioned that I wanted the Obsedian Armor.

Yeah but if shards drop to like 250g each, you might just say "oh why the heck not." FoW armor is meant to be a gold sink. They should keep it that way.

Tuoba Hturt Eht · May 05, 2006, 03:34 AM // 03:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Yeah but if shards drop to like 250g each, you might just say "oh why the heck not." FoW armor is meant to be a gold sink. They should keep it that way.

Please elaborate on the theory that the price of the Obsedian Shards would ever drop to 250 gold a piece?

Dougal Kronik · May 05, 2006, 04:29 AM // 04:29

I don't want Obsidian Armor.

But I do think the idea of Faction and rewards for special crafting materials that drop in the domains of the respective diety should be obtainable through the trade of Faction fromthat respective diety. The Faction should also be obtainable via quests in the respective diety's domain.

At the moment, Balthazar's Faction serves absaolutely no purpose for me. I have unlocked all my skills through PvE, and unlocked all the important runes and mods through PvE as well. Actually, I use my PvE character for any sort of PvP that I do anyway.

Tuoba Hturt Eht · May 05, 2006, 09:25 AM // 09:25

Updated original post:
- merged polls
- 4 polls now
- new 4th poll
- added names of voters

Cast your votes now!

Commentary
I do not understand why people oppose the idea of faction rewards in the respective diety's domains.

By allowing:
- Balthazar's / Grenth's Factions to be redeemed for Obsedian Shards / Globs of Ectoplasm
- Balthazar's / Grenth's Factions to be earned as quest rewards in Fissure of Woe / Underworld

Players would be:
- more willing to venture forth into the Fissure of Woe / Underworld as a team of 8 players
- to accomplish various Fissure of Woe / Underworld quests

Instead, given the current situation, we can see:
- 55 Monk
- SS Necro
going into the Underworld as 2 man team trying to farm for Globs of Ectoplasm drops.

Gonzo · May 05, 2006, 09:40 AM // 09:40

1,2,4 /signed

3, /not-signed

How would you get faction for Grenth, each kill you make? Quest rewards in Underworld?
How would this effect GW Economy, in which Ecto's play a vital role.

Tuoba Hturt Eht · May 05, 2006, 09:58 AM // 09:58

Updated original post to include recent votes.

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Originally Posted by Gonzo

How would you get faction for Grenth, each kill you make?

Nope. Well, if I can get Grenth's Faction for each kill I make in the Underworld, the faction amount must be small.

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Quest rewards in Underworld?

Why yes, it'll be just like completing quests for the Kurzick / Luxon and be awarded with Kurzick / Luxon Faction, except this time you'll be completing quests for Grenth.

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How would this effect GW Economy, in which Ecto's play a vital role.

Given the many addition of new armours in Cantha, I believe Globs of Ectoplasm will no longer play a vital role in Guild Wars economy. Well, at least not as vital as before.

Well, to balance things, the faction required to redeem one Glob of Ectoplasm may be high.

For example,
- 2,000 Grenth's Faction is required to redeem one Glob of Ectoplasm,
- or even more than 2,000 Grenth's Faction.

Anyway, the figures are variables and can be changed accordingly.

Gonzo · May 05, 2006, 11:44 AM // 11:44

You got a good point. If it is hard to aquire the faction and you need a lot to get a Ecto, then I change to:
1,2,3,4: /signed

Blitzy · May 05, 2006, 11:48 AM // 11:48

2 - Yes
1, 3, 4 - No