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Family Draconis · Jun 27, 2006, 11:03 PM // 23:03

I was thinking of elementalist builds the other day and decided that I get really frustrated with exhaustion costs on skills. I know some of you are going to say "so just use glyph of energy or pick skills that don't cause exhaustion" but sometimes that can be easier said than done. Some of you may also say that exhaustion isn't really a problem because so few skills compared to the grand total of them cause it. In defense of that, I say that rangers got Trapper's Focus which pertains to less than a dozen of all of their skills so why shouldn't elementalists get a skill that makes their exhaustion go away? I might just be off my rocker here, but I thought it wasn't such a terrible idea and neither did my guildies. So without further adeu, let me tell you my skill idea.

*ahem*

Avatar Of Power (working title, feel free to sugest): elite skill. for 10...20 seconds, spells you cast do not cause exhaustion. When Avatar of Power ends, you lose 10 energy for each spell you cast while under the effect of Avatar of Power. (Attribute: Energy Storage)
15 energy to cast.
1 second casting time.
45 second recharge time.

I figure this would have to be an elite skill because of how powerful it could potentially make some builds that rely on even one spell that causes exhaustion. I know a lot of air skills that can potentially be put into a touch build that would greatly benefit from having the exhaustion cost of the spells removed, which is why there could be an alternative (like arcane echo and echo) that isn't elite, perhaps costing more energy and a longer recharge time.

So what do you think?

Esprit · Jun 27, 2006, 11:05 PM // 23:05

Too powerful.

10-15 seconds.

15 energy

Family Draconis · Jun 27, 2006, 11:10 PM // 23:10

I had thought that might be a little too long as well. I didn't want to have a skill like this make you rush to cast things so maybe about 15-20 seconds instead of 30 seconds duration.

and what about making this skill cause exhaustion?

Carth` · Jun 27, 2006, 11:18 PM // 23:18

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Originally Posted by Family Draconis

and what about making this skill cause exhaustion?

How about it lasts a long time, but works up a debt. When it ends all the exhaustion you avoided with the skill comes back. So it allows you to cast as much as you want in battle, because you have 4 pips of regen and no exhaustion limiting you. When the battle ends (or if it's a long battle) your max energy is suddenly lowered by exhaustion, and you have to wait for it to come back.

Family Draconis · Jun 27, 2006, 11:34 PM // 23:34

Carth's suggestion made me think of a very good limiting factor to the skill. After the duration of the skill is done, you lose all energy. If I remember right i actually thought of that when thinking of the skill in the first place!

benmanhaha · Jun 27, 2006, 11:50 PM // 23:50

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Originally Posted by Family Draconis

Carth's suggestion made me think of a very good limiting factor to the skill. After the duration of the skill is done, you lose all energy. If I remember right i actually thought of that when thinking of the skill in the first place!

How about, instead of making it last the whole battle, just do 20-25 seconds, and when its done, give the character a set amount of exhuastion, or lose a certain amount of energy, but not all of it.

NatalieD · Jun 28, 2006, 12:06 AM // 00:06

Avatar of Power. Arcane Echo. Galegalegalegalegalegale.

Apok Omen · Jun 28, 2006, 12:16 AM // 00:16

Love the idea, but needs to be changed:

Avatar of Power: Elite Skill[Energy Storage]For 5...17 seconds, spells you cast that cause exhaustion do not cause exhaustion. When Avatar of Power ends, you lose the amount of energy lost from exhaustion from each spell you casted while under the effects of Avatar of Power.
15 Energy cost
2 second cast time
45 second recharge

There, that should do it. This way, it can't be Echoed, stipped, or lengthened.

Quinn Falcon · Jun 28, 2006, 01:22 AM // 01:22

How about adding the effect of whenever you cast a spell causing exhaustion you loose xx amount of energy instead of loose all at the end.

It should be a pretty hefty amount of energy, mmmmm 13-7 maybe or a flat rate 10.

BahamutKaiser · Jun 28, 2006, 02:12 AM // 02:12

I say it should make you lose something else besides costing exhaustion, like energy and health for each spell that would have caused exhaustion. Well I think it would be cool at least.

Still, I would perfer exhaustion reduction runes more :P

Family Draconis · Jun 28, 2006, 02:15 AM // 02:15

Thanks for all of your suggestions. I'm really starting to like the idea more and more of having this skill in the next chapter and with all of your opinions, I think we might just have a shot at getting it in there.

Ira Blinks · Jun 28, 2006, 02:54 AM // 02:54

too powerful? lol... it reminds me of Second Wind, i.e. crap that wouldnt make it on my skillbar even if it wasn't elite...

ID_Roto · Jun 28, 2006, 03:02 AM // 03:02

[QUOTE=Apok Omen]Avatar of Power: Elite SkillEnergy Storage]
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Or you could call it a Glyph that is into Energy Storage, make it more "elementalist" like... Anyway, good idea. Prefer it to kill like a extra 5-10 energy instead of causeing more exaustion once done. This would really make Obsidian Flame dealy but costly if they added another 10 energy, would make a BR or BIP necro famous. Also make it so that the energy does not get affected with any Attunment or even Energizing Wind.

Like it, I know I would use it a time or two.

Ensign · Jun 28, 2006, 03:45 AM // 03:45

All this is going to do is fuel gale / shock guy and have no effect on regular elementalist play at all. Not neccessarily a bad idea but don't be naive about what it's actually going to do.

Peace,
-CxE

Lowly Peasant · Jun 28, 2006, 04:29 AM // 04:29

Another way to do it would to make it a skill that removes a certain amount of exhaustion. Say, maybe cost 25 energy, you lose 25 points of exhaustion but have it have a chance to fail with Energy Storage at 7 or less, and then give it a moderate recharge time.

Or possibly a spell that removes all exhaustion, but you also loose 6...2 energy for each point of exhaustion removed, so you will still need to regulate your exhaustion or you will be rid of exhaustion, but out of energy.

quanzong · Jun 28, 2006, 08:33 AM // 08:33

Yeah it seems pretty cool, I was tryign a shock warrior, and saw the exhaustion, I went back to aftershock warrior after I saw what it did lol.

Family Draconis · Jun 28, 2006, 03:57 PM // 15:57

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Originally Posted by Ensign

All this is going to do is fuel gale / shock guy and have no effect on regular elementalist play at all. Not neccessarily a bad idea but don't be naive about what it's actually going to do.

I know this is going to happen, but i don't think it will change the number of them out there. Making it an elite will deter a lot of warriors from using this, I would guess. It would probably end up being just another one of those elites that very few people use but I would still like to see it.

Terra Xin · Jun 28, 2006, 04:49 PM // 16:49

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Originally Posted by Ensign

All this is going to do is fuel gale / shock guy and have no effect on regular elementalist play at all. Not neccessarily a bad idea but don't be naive about what it's actually going to do.

Peace,
-CxE

A simple solution, reduce the base time of this skill to 1 second instead of three. It being an Energy Storage attribute, it would effectively become a waste of time bringing this skill if you aren't an elementalitst^^

I'm undecided on the matter. I like the idea of equal energy loss of exhaustion, it ignores the regeneration penalty.... err.. which is pretty much exhaustion^^

Undivine · Jun 28, 2006, 05:26 PM // 17:26

I am uncertain about this idea, only because spells like Obsidian Flame exist. An Obsidian Flame spike is a powerful thing and the penalty for doing it is warrented. To take that away and leave the ele with an empty pool of mana which can be recharged in a number of ways is not all that strong of a penalty.

If it wasn't for Obsidian Flame though, I'd say this skill is balanced. ANet made Obsidian Flame with the assumption that there is no way to remove or avoid exhaustion.

By the way, nice pun in your title. "Tired of exhaustion?" WAKA WAKA!

Family Draconis · Jun 28, 2006, 07:39 PM // 19:39

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Originally Posted by Undivine

By the way, nice pun in your title. "Tired of exhaustion?" WAKA WAKA!

Finally someone noticed!!! That made my day

And I do agree with you about obsidian flame becoming overpowered with this skill, which is why I put it here to see all of the suggestions that come in about making it a plausable skill to put in the game.